Kratom - Miracle supplement for Opiate Withdrawal - heroin/oxy

[asianstoner]

In this post, I will tell a little about my opiate experience, heroin detox with kratom, oxycodone detox with kratom, and the downside of kratom... in that order.

To qualify as a reliable source, I am an experienced opiate-user. Been bouncing back between sobriety and using for a few years and was doing the original OC 80's when they were around, pre2011[?]. First banged dope when I was 17... I'm 24 now, before that I was blowing m box's and v's, and a215's like it was my job. Really though, I've also spent a lot of that time withdrawaling, detoxing, "sick as fuck" as I like to call it... dope sick.

That aside, I've always known of kratom yet my skeptical nature never led me to believe it had a high similar to the real deal and nor did I ever really want to waste money on something that is legal. I always figured since it was legal, it couldn't be that good anway.

Well, I'm here today, ladies and gentleman, to tell you: I was wrong. Kratom is the fucking best. Anyone addicted to pills know that pills seem to disapear towards the end of the month, when the scripts are all empty and your thumbing down your contacts list to think of someone that might know someone. With no other choice I would be sick and miserable. I wish I had tried kratom earlier. Rather then fiending out, being sick, I could have just drove to the nearest headshop and buy some kratom.

I was hard into dope this summer, slammin at least 5 east coast stamp bags a day, often, a lot more, when the cash was there. [Un]fortunately, I slipped up and someone found a syringe and confronted me. I had to stop, given the situation I was in, and was about to get really fucking sick. I ate 8 grams of maeng da kratom and damn, did it alleviate so much of the withdrawal, I didn't think possible.

Withdrawals, I've learned, can be different for everyone- being more or less of each of the symptoms. For me its the sleeplessness, hot/cold, moments of "fuzines", sweats, legs, back, anxiety, depression. Anyway, the kratom pretty much diminished 80-100% of the bolded symptoms.

I took 7-10 grams every 5 hours and although it didn't completely level me off, but it damn sure helped and is worth the money.

That was heroin, I started heavy into roxy's, shooting them to. A friend and I decided to stop pills to better our lives and of course, I did it with the kratom. The oxy withdrawals are significantly weaker than heroin withdrawal and as such, the kratom was even more effective. Felt as if I wasn't sick at all.


The downside is that it lasts so short and literally need it every 5 hours or will start getting sick fast and fiending. I think this would be an ideal cure for opiate withdrawals, the only problem is being a junkie and also having the sufficient money to actually afford kratom. A quarter of the time, I'm dope sick because I don't have enough money to get high, how the hell am I to buy kratom?


The kratom withdrawal is almost non existent to me, I just feel lazy, that is all.

My words dont do justice to the fact that kratom is straight up legit and should definitely be taken anytime you are withdrawling, detoxing, maintaining, etc. I felt the necessity of this thread of importance, mostly because I believe it would save a lot of heart ache and bullshit for many people.

Thanks. That is all.

 

[Tryptamine*Dreamer]

I think your advice is excellent!
Kratom has really helped me come off hydrocodone and I feel I'll be able to quit before long
Benzos have been harder. I tried to quit the clonazepam but I still need more time to get off it. The withdrawal got worse than I thought it would and started making my blood pressure go up more, in addition to other problems. Benzos are harder to deal with than opiates, coming off of. And it takes so long.

 

[herbavore]

I'm really glad that it worked so well for you but it doesn't go that way for everyone. See this thread. Lots of people end up with a dependence that is hard to shake so I feel compelled to add that for HR purposes. I guess it really depends how long you use it. Anyway, thanks for the positive report and congrats on quitting.

 

[Colonel Contin]

^agreed. A full agonist opiate habit can easily become a Kratom habit, this is true. It's certainly not a cure-all.

Furthermore, while this may be sound advice for those who have the self control to periodically binge full agonist opiates, wean off, take a break and come back for more when the dust has settled, many who attempt to sustain such a pattern for any length of time fall into an age-old trap. This is an idealistic system, one that experience and observation have led me to believe is nearly impossible to maintain long-term. Convincing yourself that you can easily shift in and out of dependence using transitional kratom or suboxone tapers is a dangerous game.

Play responsibly.

(and congrats on quitting pills to better your life. Kratom is a staple of my opiate withdrawal arsenal, but I hesitate to encourage the idea that any substance can make picking up and dropping an intravenous opiate habit a consistent breeze)

 

[pinpoint]

Hah, supplement? More like replacement. Don't delude yourself in to thinking kratom is anything more than a glorified opioid. Just because it comes from a forest doesn't mean it won't have negative repercussions. It will prolong any past opioid habit you have and it is not 'as easy as coffee' to quit contrary to what the propagandists & advocate groups are spewing. Kratom contains a myriad of alkaloids, some of them are good for you, but the ones that make it opioidergic are full agonists at MOR. The same receptors that morphine et al binds to kratom also does.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great choice if you can substitute it for classic opioids as it will remove certain ROA's, legality issues & costs associated with those harder drugs. Just don't think you can take kratom for a couple weeks while coming off other opioids and expect to get off scot-free.

 

[chitownskag]

I think kratom is awesome, it really helped me get off zubsolv. But all in all I ended up sick after getting off kratom, it wasn't near as bad as cold turkey off bupe though. With kratom withdrawal alot of the opiate like withdrawal symptoms are very mild, but the restless legs, and restlessness in general was pretty bad, I wouldn't put it up there with dope but the restlessness was comparable to oxy n morphine withdrawals, for me anyway.
and I'm new on here so I hope I'm not breaking the rules when saying this but there are alot cheaper ways to buy kratom than headshops... ALOT CHEAPER

 

[HaloBlack]

I think kratom is awesome, it really helped me get off zubsolv. But all in all I ended up sick after getting off kratom, it wasn't near as bad as cold turkey off bupe though. With kratom withdrawal alot of the opiate like withdrawal symptoms are very mild, but the restless legs, and restlessness in general was pretty bad, I wouldn't put it up there with dope but the restlessness was comparable to oxy n morphine withdrawals, for me anyway.
and I'm new on here so I hope I'm not breaking the rules when saying this but there are alot cheaper ways to buy kratom than headshops... ALOT CHEAPER

Hey fellow chitowner...im getting ready to taper after two years on suboxone. Im curious how long did you take kratom to ease withdrawal? Ive heard it helps but im hesitant to try it. Also...congrats and how are you feeling? Im taking a six week medical leave from work...when did u personally start to see the light at end of tunnel? Thanks

 

[ecate89]

Hey fellow chitowner...im getting ready to taper after two years on suboxone. Im curious how long did you take kratom to ease withdrawal? Ive heard it helps but im hesitant to try it. Also...congrats and how are you feeling? Im taking a six week medical leave from work...when did u personally start to see the light at end of tunnel? Thanks

Be careful, kratom can be tricky. I used heroin and other opiates, then I found out about kratom and decided I would give it a try.
I really wanted to stop using drugs, they had already riuned a lot of things in my life...I had had enough and just wanted a "normal" life.

I tried sub as well, but this dindn't work for me. Anyway, I bought this kratom and was pleasantly surprised by it:
no more w/ds, I left other addicted people out of my life, I hadn't to trouble myself finding money, and so on.
I liked it more than expected, it was very similar to dope. I liked it too much...I was reassuring myself by thinking it's legal, with no cut substances in it, I thought it was safe. Then I started getting sick if I didn't take it...I thought the nightmare was back, but fortunately the symptoms are weaker than the ones you get with dopo w/d.

Even so, the psychological addiction to the substance can be powerful. For us it's a stopgap measure...and if you continue the use for a certain period of time, the symptoms become more serious. I'm still using it, in and out, because I can't really quit.

What about tapering the sub gradually, very gradually, and nothing else?

 

[herbavore]

^The last sentence in this post is very good advice.

 

[tharoomman]

""Hah, supplement? More like replacement. Don't delude yourself in to thinking kratom is anything more than a glorified opioid. """

Been there done that. You took the words from my past and put them in your post, OP.

If you wanna use it as replacement therapy, then do it. Just do your research on keeping your tolerance low. ie switch from red to green vein. And stay the fuck away from UEI's and extracts. It will murder your Tolerance.

Although as far as helping with withdrawals, I do think its a miracle drug. But that's only because its legal.

 

[aloispd]

Thank you for this post just direct facts. I am so sick of hearing maybe this. could be that, brain receptor bull shit I don't care what receptors it fills if it stops the sickness You just laid it out and that is what I wanted to hear. You said flat out this stuff will help me with my oxy withdrawal. And mostly advice from people that never used Kratom as to what might happen. I see so many posts that say never drink with oxycodone from people that never tried it. I used to wash them down with beer and so do all my friends. I guess it could kill you but it never killed me or anyone I know. When I get the shakes between doses I always drink to calm me down a bit. It might be a danger but it all has some danger. I just wanted to hear from someone that did exactly you did and that's good enough for me. Anyway Thanks for the honest post just what I needed to read.

 

[The Shadow Self]

I second the benefits of Kratom. I used it more than once and hit alleviated the majority of the suffering of WDs. Not all of it, but it made life bearable. I just used it for maybe a month and a half and tapered down. I always try and pass on the word about Kratom because even when I tried it, I remember doubting that it would do anything, and it blew my mind when it worked as well as it did. Bali worked great, and the red-veined varieties seem to work best for many.

 

[Houellebecq]

Good day,

I've been lurking within the shadows of this forum for several years now, and only now do I have a reason to post a response. A good one at that (in my opinion).
For 14 years, SWIM was addicted first to codeine (in all its myriad forms and potencies) and then, for the last three years, heavily addicted to OxyContin and OxyNorm on top of the codeine (OTC). SWIM - a rather foolish chap - was taking 200mg of codeine and averaging about 120 - 160 mg of oxycodone/diahmorphine per day (from presciptions he was able to obtain for a Dr - in the UK - for a valid medical/pain complaint. And, as often happens, it came to the stage where a) The kind Drs patience ran out, cutting off access to the ocycontins + oxynorm and, b)His life was beginning to gradually fall apart due to his reliance on painkillers. So, one day about 6 months ago, he realised he was going to have to stop. Cold turkey...

Thereupon, SWIM discovered Kratom (through posts on this very forum!) and, thanks to a friendly and efficient UK-based online supplier (as well as the advice of some very informative folk herein, on Bluelight) he bought some Kratom, in many leaf-colours, veins and amounts. A general 'variety' of Kratom products. To make tea with. Over the space of a week, working through the last 14-tablet blister-pack, he was able to 'taper down' gradually the amount of oxycontin and codeine he was consuming (previously, having crushed or chewed the Oxy's, he just took them as 'prescribed') whilst, simultaneously, starting to dose himself with the Kratom, experimenting with the amounts, doses, etc (he discovered that the Old Wives Tale is true: less is more...) until he, one morning, took his last doses of OxyContin, then codeine, and, instead, just made a few cups of Kratom tea (of varying doses and strains) over the next few hours. Now...prior to this, he usually felt the urge to re-dose himself with Oxy's and codeine every 3-4 hours (before withdrawlas would set in; both physical and mental). However, the Kratom utterly removed this desire, this urge. It was literally day and night...any withdrawl symptoms over the following 24 hours utterly disappeared. That was day one. Day 2: A bit of tiredness, minor agitation, listlessness, but nothing stronger than that. As long as he continued to regularly drink the Kratom tea... Day 3: Fewer symptoms - negligible feelings of agitation. Day 4: Again, negligible irritation (no cold, no sweats, no pains or anxiety) and so on for the next fortnight...three weeks...month...three months....six. I'll repeat: 14 years an opiate addict, 3 years of scarily heavy Oxy abuse, and what did it? The Kratom.

Ok...yes, he has to take the Kratom on a daily basis (but, funnily enough, never the same amount or same dosage everyday. Always, in total, about 15g per day - of different strains at different times. Sometimes less, never more than 15g) but - and this is something anybody wishing to copy this method should bear in mind - it is clear that SWIM, now, is dependent on the Kratom. SWIM often asks himself whether this is any better. Well, which would you prefer to have a problem with? Highly addictive opiates which can kill you if you mess up or an opiate-mimicking plant tea, the only side-effects of which (according to SWIM's experience) are occasional (not very serious) constipation, the odd bit of sleepiness, and the fact that it makes him urinate like a fountain (from all the tea!). That's my tuppenceworth.

In all events, thank you, Bluelighters! Without whom, etc. etc.

Edited/Added: PS - Immodium, over the first few hours and days, helps enormously too, in SWIM's opinion... A couple of Immodium Instants, before bed, works wonders...

 

[eye dew Things]

The above posts pretty much sums it up. Nice contribution. I've personally never been dependant or addicted to any traditional pharma opiates. I've no doubt had my share of fun with them, but my true demon is Benzos. The one's acting like your trading one addiction for another are missing the point.

I love Kratom, never used it to detox from opiates, but IME it treats depression better than any pill made by Mylan/Pfizer/Merk or who the hell ever. My mother is severly addicted/dependant on Percoset from 2 knee replacements. She complains of constipation and I've never exp that with Kratom. Also thinks I'm crazy for eating a natural substance.

 

[eye dew Things]

I also had another 2 paragraphs going in more depth.....but BL is constantly logging me out? and I'm not typing all that again.

 

[itchywhiskers]

it works

Been doing dope for 4 years, taking suboxone (prescribed) daily for a year and 4 months. im 24 years old and I kid you not, I tapered down to 0.25 mgs of sub and said to hell with that nasty-orange tasting piece of crap and jumped. Got into the 15 - 24 hr period when I would need to dose again and started feeling the RLS and what-not and out of the blue I thought of kratom. I had heard about it or whatever but when youre doin dope you don't give a damn about anything that's not dope lol but I am on day 2 of sub detox(kratom therapy) whatever you wanna call it and quite honestly, im freaked out at how good I feel.... I'm not high but i can definitely tell I took something. Every 5 hours I open my kratom pouch when I start to feel a little edgy or RlS and this matrix kratom powder alleviates it in minutes.. Its the cats pajamas.. its almost too good to be true and I know this stuff has WD'S too but from what ive been reading, they're child's play.

I was praying to Jesus and reading the bible yesterday before I jumped and told him I trusted him to help me get off suboxone so I can put that life behind me and he gave me a way out.. whether I look back or not is on me but im here to tell you, kratom is a blessing here in Alabama. - itchy