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Is life shit without drugs?

Is life shit?

Only if you're doing it wrong.

Thing is, if you are having a bad time while on drugs, you can convince yourself that everything will get better when you start to wear off, and it usually does. But if you are having a bad time while not on drugs, you haven't even got that to fall back on.
 
My apologies to Ismene if my post was "unsympathetic". Knowing me knowing you I'd hope you'd realise I was trolling you whilst fuckered <3
 
Cosmic Giraffe said:
Generally speaking imo if you truly believe life is shit without drugs, then you live a sad existence.
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Is it sad to recognize that shit happens then?

Loved ones die. Accidents happen. Unwanted redundancy happens. Money problems happen. Relationship problems happen. Illness happens (cancer is pretty shit, trust me, and it kills one in three of us). The Tory party win elections. The rich dictate the dominant culture at the expense of talent that may never get recognized. It rains. Natural disasters occur. Very few people work in jobs they enjoy. Chemical imbalances in our brains and bodies cause mental and physical problems. Inequality breeds conflict. William Hague exists. Bad laws get passed. Governments lie. FIFA are corrupt. Your dog will die. Addiction may be misery. You may struggle to pay the rent. Bills can be excessive. Your house may be cold. People get trafficked. Racism. Sexism. Miscarriages. Amputations. Jail. Operation Ismene. Prohibition. Spade.

Why is it sad, pathetic and ignorant to recognize reality might not all be ice cream and roses?
 
koneko said:
My apologies to Ismene if my post was "unsympathetic". Knowing me knowing you I'd hope you'd realise I was trolling you whilst fuckered <3
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Always a mistake to go online whilst stoned I find koneko :)
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Is it sad to recognize that shit happens then?
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I was reading a bit of Richard Dawkins the other day - he says he doesn't cry for anyone who dies because you were so "lucky" to have actually been alive in the first place that you can't complain. Dunno if that's a load of bollocks or not.
 
Of course its a load of bollocks. What about people who die young? What about people who die in tragic and unnecessary circumstances?

I read the other day Dawkins had lost the plot. I reckon that's about right.
 
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StoneHappyMonday said:
Is it sad to recognize that shit happens then?

Loved ones die. Accidents happen. Unwanted redundancy happens. Money problems happen. Relationship problems happen. Illness happens (cancer is pretty shit, trust me, and it kills one in three of us). The Tory party win elections. The rich dictate the dominant culture at the expense of talent that may never get recognized. It rains. Natural disasters occur. Very few people work in jobs they enjoy. Chemical imbalances in our brains and bodies cause mental and physical problems. Inequality breeds conflict. William Hague exists. Bad laws get passed. Governments lie. FIFA are corrupt. Your dog will die. Addiction may be misery. You may struggle to pay the rent. Bills can be excessive. Your house may be cold. People get trafficked. Racism. Sexism. Miscarriages. Amputations. Jail. Operation Ismene. Prohibition. Spade.

Why is it sad, pathetic and ignorant to recognize reality might not all be ice cream and roses?
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It isn't. There would be no happiness in life without sadness and suffering. Tragedies can and will happen. There is no point in dwelling on these possibilities thus increasing the chances of these things actually occurring. That is kind of all irrelevant to the point I originally made.

That life can be enjoyed with or without drugs. Drugs don't keep these awful things from happening. We are all going to die in one way or another at some point in time.
 
Cosmic, don't get me wrong, I'm not picking on you because for sure, you've said a lot I agree with. You have also, however, stated what I consider as two highly contentious points worth discussing.

Cosmic Giraffe said:
I have known many people who live their lives without ever having touched a drug completely content.
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Do you? Do you really? For starters, the idea that any but a handful of people in this day and age live without ever touching a drug is highly questionable. Alcohol is a drug remember. Likewise, the idea of complete contentment (bearing in mind the list I just gave of just a few of life's hassles) seems equally debatable. I just don't believe the veracity or credibility of your statement.

An old friend of mine used to have a saying. "If ignorance is bliss, fuck a pig." Discuss.

Cosmic Giraffe said:
Tragedies can and will happen. There is no point in dwelling on these possibilities thus increasing the chances of these things actually occurring.
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Interesting. Do you really believe that dwelling on, for example, the possibility of cancer increases the chance of cancer? Is life that auto-suggestive?

Remember, I never said aspects of life can't be enjoyed without drugs. Or that drugs keep these awful things from happening. I do think drugs can help give us a different perspective on these apparent horrors though.

I think drugs are useful. That much I find I have in common with doctors and the medical world.
 
Ismene said:
Following on from the top 5 thread wherein felix posed the conundrum "Is life shit without drugs"..i thought it deserved it's own thread.

I didn't try drugs till I was 30 by which time I'd certainly reached the conclusion that life was indeed shite. Mushrooms gave me my first taste of intense euphoria which for me is the most mystical and righteous of feelings. These occasional trips into the psychedelic wonderland give me the strength and consolation to carry on. For me "drugs" means mushrooms, LSD and ayahuasca. I've never got much from any other drug. I can't imagine life without the "friendly arm round the shoulder" of the mushroom.

What say you?
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Drug addiction has been running rampant since my grandfather;
I'm comfortabe being a drug addict.
It is the least worrying minority. Who gives a shit when you're high :')
 
On the theory of life being auto-suggestive. Maybe not so accurately specific. I do believe constant worry and stress can cause illness both mentally and physically. I also believe in the basic laws of attraction. Our thoughts manifest what make up our current or future situations based on the nature of them (positive/negative).

And sure maybe I can't think of one single grown person that I know who has not touched a single drop of alcohol or maybe smoked a bit of weed at one time in their life. However, I can say that I know of several people that did not make changing their state of mind by using drugs or alcohol an important aspect of their lives.

I suppose my points were meant to be taken in a less literal sense. Complete contentment can not exist IMO. This opinion is based off of my own life though therefore can be seen as biased making it irrelevant in comparison to someone else's life.

I feel that I should add that I agree wholeheartedly in the fact that drugs exist on this planet to improve the quality of life.
 
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 Originally Posted by Raasyvibe 
Religions generally replace what you're lacking/missing in your own life and only make way to a host of other problems. People should always be looking to improve their own lives and negate their desire for Religions, rather than succumb to them.

Saying that, there is always a time and place for Spirituality in a rich and diverse lifestyle
Vurtual said:
I fixed that for you ;) (cheap but true)
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lol,

You'll have to forgive my tendency not to fall into large discussions ATM, currently do not have net access during the week. On a mobile phone here.

B'basically, its ignorant to assume all religion distorts spirituality. It attempts to encapsulate spirituality and nurture it. And while many fail, become austere, constrictive and void of love... Many others have tremendous success with it. Your statements, which is none other than your opinion drawn from very limited experience, do not resemble the many content religious people out there.

Look I did all that with a phone. Well impressive.

Now, tell me I am also wrong to draw conclusions about drug users because of my limited experience and not resembling the content drug users,and we can be done with this.
 
Just a bit of cheeky wordplay based on how you can make statements like that about vague concepts like 'drugs' and 'religion' which don't mean much in reality; all depending on the specific size and shape of 'generally'. Are the chimps who get pissed filling a gap in their life? Or that jaguar that eats ayahuasca vine? Or those bears that sniff petrol?

I wasn't saying anything about religion distorting spirituality (but now you mention it...) - as you know i've got a relatively positive attitude towards religion (religious authority, not so much)
 
im in a good place at the moment and love my life for the most part, but i would be lying if i said some of the best experiences ive ever had were not while i was on drugs
life is not shit without them, the mind is elastic and you can change your perception at will if you are disciplined enough and actually want to, in my opinion
 
Vurtual said:
Are the chimps who get pissed filling a gap in their life?
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Rather interestingly (at least to me) the answer appears to be "just as much as human apes are". The rate of primates who will imbibe alcohol to excess (falling down, incapable of action beyond that) vs those who drink "moderately" (when available, consistently stop long before they get into trouble of any kind) vs those who never touch alcohol when available precisely matches that of humans.

To me this very strongly suggests an underlying genetic cause for alcoholism and perhaps addiction in general. This gene goes back several hundred thousand years at a bear (or chimpy) minimum and to match up so closely with all extant records of alcoholism in human beings Seems a no-brainer to me.
 
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