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Is life shit without drugs?

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Ismene

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Following on from the top 5 thread wherein felix posed the conundrum "Is life shit without drugs"..i thought it deserved it's own thread.

I didn't try drugs till I was 30 by which time I'd certainly reached the conclusion that life was indeed shite. Mushrooms gave me my first taste of intense euphoria which for me is the most mystical and righteous of feelings. These occasional trips into the psychedelic wonderland give me the strength and consolation to carry on. For me "drugs" means mushrooms, LSD and ayahuasca. I've never got much from any other drug. I can't imagine life without the "friendly arm round the shoulder" of the mushroom.

What say you?
 
You are going to get pretty similar answers to those you got in the other thread.

For me, life is certainly shittier without drugs. Straight life bores me. Straight people (and by this I mean in attitude, not straight as in haven't taken drugs) bore me. The straight constrictions of the world, work, education (the way it is done - we could learn a lot from ancient Greece), hunter-gathering at Tesco - these all bore me.

But there is more to life than drugs. A bit.

I love nature and all it contains. I love the countryside. I love travel and experiencing other cultures. I can do all that without drugs. But I can't deny I'm glad I've got drugs to come back to when those things are over.

Oh I love sex too. Which can be enhanced by drugs. But is still pretty good without them.

It depends how you define 'life'. But generally I'm with you Izzy. Don't expect too many to follow though.
 
In my own personal opinion.

To some degree, Yes.

I am only 24 (25 in 2 weeks) and they've played their part in my life sometimes leaving it on the brink of destruction! (This is when I finally got into the two what I do consider, hard drugs, these being Heroin and Crack)

From talking drugs from the age of 11/12 just messing with weed then trying pills (MDMA), coke, speed
at 14/15, LSD a little later as it was rarity when I grew up in the noughties say 17 then I'd dabble recreationally every weekend usually just down the pub or at a mates with some beers and a few G of flake then there would be periods of going to raves for months on end tanning loadsa MDMA, speed etc still had jobs and life was relatively stable until Heroin and Crack. But that's a different story...

What I'm tryna get at, is they've been in my life a long time and it feels shit I think being sober I'd much rather be, not off my face but just chilled out on some benzo's. But maybe that's just my anxiety disorer because I feel SO much happier after 40-60mg of Valium its unreal. So I'd rather be on benzo's daily or doing some sort of drug , yes..

hopefully things will change and I'll settle down but for the moment; it is what it is :)
 
I'm 25 now, and since I was 18 I haven't been sober for more than two months in any one continuous stretch. Occasionally I go a couple of weeks without, and in 'bad patches' I'm on some kind of dissociative in a '3 days on, 4 days off' pattern. I use a lot less stims and benzos than I used to, and try to choose my poisons as wisely as possible. I also avoid over-frequent alcohol use, because I know how slippery that slope can get. I have friends that used to use drugs frequently, but who then went sober, and now try to convince me that the sober life is the way forward. But they seem to have the same number of neuroses, stresses and crises that they always did - they just convince themselves that they've 'grown up,' and to some extent I feel like they're trying to convince themselves by trying to convince me.

Every time I take a few weeks off drugs, I start feeling a bit more 'centred' at the end of the second week, which I presume is because my brain returns to a more balanced chemical state. But then the monotony and the boredom really starts to set in. I consistently get to a point where I realise that if I choose to stay sober, life will remain that monotonous forever until death or more drugs. Yes it's a little less chaotic, but it's also a little emptier, and lacking in depth and variety of inner experience.

Maybe for some people that inner experience is different; more colourful and more dynamic, without the need to punctuate each period of sobriety with an 'altered state' of one flavour or another, to 'refresh the palette.' But I'm just not convinced that it works like that for me.
 
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Is life shit without drugs? Posts Ismene:

No.

You sad bastard asking such a question, I pity you wtf :| Is your life that bad?
 
Anyone who isn't as happy as larry is a sad bastard? That's a pretty hardcore view of life koneko.

Life is great as long as psychedelics are around - without them then yeah I did always it find it fucking shit :)
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
But there is more to life than drugs. A bit.

I love nature and all it contains. I love the countryside. I love travel and experiencing other cultures. I can do all that without drugs. But I can't deny I'm glad I've got drugs to come back to when those things are over.

Oh I love sex too. Which can be enhanced by drugs. But is still pretty good without them.
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I'm with you on the nature shm but I don't know whether nature is enough to lift you out of deep despair whereas a psychedelic experience can. Stan Grofs "Human encounter with death" books gives examples where psychedelics give the dying a consolation that nothing else can.
 
Too late now - I've put the thync digital electrical stimulator on my noggin to calm me down after your vicious attack ;)
 
Ismene said:
Following on from the top 5 thread wherein felix posed the conundrum "Is life shit without drugs"
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Just to clarify: I asked you if you thought that.

I certainly don't.

Life can be great with drugs. Life can also be great without drugs.
 
Bob Funkhouse said:
I got the impression you believe that a life without drugs is shit.
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Not everyones life - mine certainly would be. Still not sure why you think it's ignorant - it may not be your viewpoint but that's all you can say.
 
felix said:
Life can be great with drugs. Life can also be great without drugs.
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Depends on the person. And the drug. Perhaps I should've put "psychedelic drugs" or "mushrooms and LSD" more specifically. Obviously taking mephedrone and masturbating for 3 hours is as fucking shit as not taking any drugs at all.
 
Perhaps if we actually ever knew a single thing about you, Issy, it would be easier to understand where you're coming from.

In all my time here, no-one has ever been such an enigma. You've kept that persona for a very long time, which is fine, but it makes you a difficult person to understand a lot of the time.

Have you ever thought about opening up a bit, and telling us about yourself? :)
 
I would agree that the question is over-simplified to Daily Heil degrees (I wonder why, Izzy ;)). Life can be shit equally well with or without drugs. My life was shit and I took drugs to escape it in various ways. This greatly improved my life in many ways. It also brought a whole new slew of problems. Currently I take by far the least amount of drugs I ever have since I started in my mid-teens. Life is very good right now despite this. Or because of this? Neither. It is good because my situation is better - the underlying life has improved beyond all previous comparison.

Another issue with the question is your specific focus on psychedelics. As I say every single time my psychedelic use comes up at my SMART meetings - psyches are medicines not drugs. Psychedelic use is generally not associated with problematic drug use. "Drugs" - in the wider sense - are. Lumping them all in together makes the question essentially meaningless as you are very clearly wanting to use it purely to preach the swirlsome gospel - of which I thoroughly approve... but you need to frame your question more meaningfully to get any truly meaningful answers really.
 
koneko said:
Is life shit without drugs? Posts Ismene:

No.

You sad bastard asking such a question, I pity you wtf :| Is your life that bad?
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It's worth considering that people have very different experiences of what it's like to simply be awake, irrespective of their material wealth, health or social integration. I think it's unsympathetic to look down on someone for asking what others' subjective experiences are like.
 
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