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"Biggest dealer" on Silk Road gets just 10 years

Ummmm drugs are illegal for a reason - they kill people as well as cause people to become addicted. They may have been making money out of vulnerable ppl who are addicted. I don't believe the sentences are harsh. How many deaths n ODs have occurred at the hands of these two? They will be able to have some form iof life that people who died won't have.

Evey

Are you talking about tobacco and alcohol ???

Illegality had little to nothing to do with public safety, it;s hard to know where to start when people express such an opinion as this but think about the harm caused by something like heroin. No one could sensibly suggest having a heroin habit is a good thing however much of the harm in the current situation is a direct cause of it's illegality.

People OD, in the main due to inconsistent potency of street drugs, medical quality heroin wouldnt cause that problem .

Infections and vein problems are often caused by reusing rigs and poor technique and hygiene not to mention the shit street gear can be cut with, heroin is still used in medicine, it's not poison, opiates are successfully used for pain relief even in the long term often with little to no issues....I was on morphine for 3 years and came off with little problem.

I huge amount of petty crime and exploitation takes place due to people desperation when they get a habit, I've lived in a red light district and seen 15year old girls on the street clearly turning tricks for the next rock / bag.

I pick heroin as it is often seen as the most damaging and addictive, prohibition simply doesnt work, history and any expect worth their salt tells us . I'm not suggesting we make heroin available off the shelf tomorrow but we have to find a better way that accepts people will and are entitled to use these substances, educates them and helps them use in the safest possible and a way that drastically limit the impact on the rest of society.

More and more the 'law' is being made to look ridiculous in an age where it's possible to get pretty much any chemical or commodity delivered to your door from across the globe. Technology has created means for people to both communicate and exchange funds in ways that are extremely difficult to trace or track and this will only develop and become more main stream.

Sitting back and living the lie that prohibition has or ever will work or is genuinely reducing harm is your prerogative but I would suggest you look at the situation with a more open mind rather than just buying the line promoted by successive governments and agencies for the last 60-70 years.

America moving towards making weed legal indicates to me that they know the current system is BS and that the people (the real power) just arent buying their lies any longer. I'm no conspiracy theorist but Law enforcement and drug dealing have gone hand in hand since day 1, recent revelations about Silk Road's confiscated funds show just how deep that runs.....make up your own mind, fight the power
 
Definitely trolling imo.....Not always but definitely this time. Some just love drama/arguing/attention seeking, annoying other folks and generally talking bollix.

I can only apologies, some times I can't resist expressing such wildly outlandish bollox, I claim diminished responsibility...or total lack there of ;)

I mean look at how well prohibition of MDMA has gone, millions take the drug and show it has a pretty fair risk and damage profile....fukin millions with only a tiny percentage of genuine deaths and few suffering serious side effects, OK I over did it and am now a drug addled waster but you can't win them all :D

Clamp downs on precursors and supply lead to PMMA being used, an absolute triumph in public safety :\
 
Dread Pirate got life, I believe....crazy world, I appreciate he knowingly broke the law but a crime heinous enough to warrant such a sentence ?

You could commit some dreadful acts upon innocent people and get but a few years, messed up IMO
 
Thought he did. Completely sickening.

Well at least now they have him locked up the problem of the emerging global free market is resolved.....right ?? and whilst the law focuses on vainly trying to disrupt the new markets Pedophiles launch crowdfunding sites FFS
 
Well at least now they have him locked up the problem of the emerging global free market is resolved.....right ?? and whilst the law focuses on vainly trying to disrupt the new markets Pedophiles launch crowdfunding sites FFS

I can see the state of our country improving already. Fuck me.
 
Ummmm drugs are illegal for a reason - they kill people as well as cause people to become addicted. They may have been making money out of vulnerable ppl who are addicted. I don't believe the sentences are harsh. How many deaths n ODs have occurred at the hands of these two? They will be able to have some form iof life that people who died won't have.
I will bet my arse that way more deaths and ODs have occurred because drugs are illegal than would be the case if they were properly regulated (meaning you would know the strength of the product you were buying, there would be no sales to minors and careful monitoring of sales to other vulnerable people, and there would be no stigma attached to being addicted to something legal to dissuade people from getting help before it is too late).
 
Dread made some interesting efforts at defense, it;s hard to say how much was desperation and fear but it seemed to me he genuinely didn't realise quite what a monster SR would become, he doesn't seem to have had a background in illegal activities.

For me locking people up should be reserved for those who are a danger to the community, I can't see what danger he poses, in fact he;s intelligent and talented. They have (well he hasnt got them anyway) his funds and know who he is, he's not about to try and setup another market, surely a few years of community service and a ban from internet usage would have been more appropriate.

If LE think they've made an example out of him that will deter others they must be desperately trying to gloss over the ever growing number and diversity of new markets.

From what has been shared those that have been caught were just a bit sloppy in protecting their anonymity, it is alleged that an IP address was hardcoded into SR which led them to the location, another recent arrest happened due to excessive spending and sloppy laundering of currencies.

The arms race on the Dark Net is in full swing and complex to say the least but my view is that the internet and all it brings is and will continue to walk clean through international laws and barriers, they just have no relevance in the virtual space, I don't believe it can be stopped ...the waka mole game continues with each new development learning from previous mistakes that allowed their demise.

Interesting times, I make no big predictions for the future but the world is changing at such a rapid rate I'm not convinced the 'old guard' will be able to keep up, BitCoin alone has shifted the entire financial transaction landscape and that is Mark 1 of such currencies
 
Ummmm drugs are illegal for a reason - they kill people as well as cause people to become addicted. They may have been making money out of vulnerable ppl who are addicted. I don't believe the sentences are harsh. How many deaths n ODs have occurred at the hands of these two? They will be able to have some form iof life that people who died won't have.

God almighty.

What the fuck are you doing on Bluelight?
 
I believe the "modern and trendy" word is SKEWLT .....

Fuk even Urban Dictionary doesn't know that one, you are truly on the bleeding edge. I'm not modern or trendy to my knowledge but I'll get this one nailed before bedtime ( scheduled fro tomorrow at about 11pm)
 
I'm sure it's just a variation on "schooled", with the egregious mis-spelling meant as a literary device.

Fuk you must be down wiv the kids and all that and eloquent with it, I havent felt in the least bit 'current' since the 20th century :)

All that said Evey's view is hardly uncommon, it is what 'they' want you to blindly believe and on the very surface seems to make sense....this is bad we must eradicate it ...like some kind of illness.

There are some diverse views even amongst staff on BL but Harm reduction and at the least decriminalisation go hand in hand IMO. I find the pro-drugs voice often avoids the subject of harm, the cannabis lobby are an easy example, smoking cannabis is bad for you in many ways, it's almost certain that its bad for your lungs and for some it brings about anxiety and panic, just facts.

The idea that for drugs to be legal they have to be harmless is ridiculous, life isnt harmless, driving a car, riding a horse.....all risks we may choose to take, quite why drugs should be treated differently I can't find a decent reason for. Anyone who has been around drug use for any period has seen the darker side, people messed up, fuked up or dead, the worst of what I've seen has been a direct result of ignorance, adulterated drugs or misjudged potency.

Would I want my children using heroin ? no but if they were my first priority would be insuring they knew what they were doing in terms of HR. Telling them to just not do it or kicking off and over reacting wouldn't help, it has no credibility. If and when the time comes I'd be fine talking to my teenage kids about my own drug use, my daughter knows why I don;t drink anymore as it is.

Given the current status of global drug trading it's hard to see a world for them where all drugs won't be easily obtained, regardless drug use is a choice that has little to do with the law, apart from the required discretion I never really give it a thought anymore than I did when visiting the off license daily or buying my cigarettes. Given the choice of finding out my teenager was taking MDMA on a Saturday night to finding out they smoked everyday I'd take the MDMA everytime.

Clearly I can't recommend Amphetamine use as it makes you post complete drivel on the internet all night ;)
 
It all comes down to an irrational phobia about drug use per se. This is the underlying problem that must be challenged.

So true, my guess is that in both our cases if our work colleagues knew about our long term drug use they would have a hard time taking it in, I've had extreme shock when people have seen I've a few tattoos.

You arent supposed to be able to function of you use drugs let alone have a job and pay taxes, ironically people are equally confused when I say I don't drink, I'm not inclined to tell all and sundry why although if I know someone and it comes up I'm happy to explain.

IME many a tech professional is a drug user, some more so than others. I knew the American security consultant / hacker Barnaby Jack a little although we never met in person, a more engaging and intelligent person you couldn't hope to meet. Turned out he was playing hard, so much so he met his end in a hotel room full of allsorts, from heroin to Xanax to Champagne, shame as he was a talented and unique person, just misjudged things a little that night I guess.

Others can rarely tell if your using or getting into a mess, I went back to work after having to take 3 months off, stress and things had led to heavy drinking, benzos and all sorts of stims. I literally fell to pieces. My boss who was a decent guy said he got no inkling there was a problem and to him I seemed fine, in truth only Mrs A knew as I can hide nothing from her. People happily joke about excessive drinking and don't see it for the drug abuse it is, I've often had people try and coerce me into having a drink when I've declined multiple times, my 12 year old understands ....I had a problem with this substance and decided to abstain just like any other drug user and smoking seems to get a free pass because it doesnt actually get you off your face, just gets you addicted and damages your health....great

I accept that there are many dysfunctional people using drugs but I'm certain there are many more functional ones, I understand the amounts were relatively small but I held down a job for 3 years taking prescribed morphine daily not to mention years of benzo use, I'm not recommending it but many of us here do not conform to the stereo type that many buy into. My experience (limited as it is) with people who's lives have fallen apart through drug use is that the situation is often more complex, previous physical or sexual abuse seems a common factor as does mental illness and homelessness would push most people to seeking refuge in something, the reason I always drop the guy that sits in one of the underpasses near the tower of London a £5, he doesnt want fukin tea, he needs a bag, I know because I stopped once and had a chat.

Maybe I'm wrong but I hate the way people patronise those folk by offering to buy them food, if you want to offer some help give them the money and let them decide what they need. He is unlikely to get off the gear whilst he is living like that, he really needs a proper place to stay and genuine help or at least someone who has regular contact to start to help, Heroin is probably one of his few comforts, he clearly has fuk all else and I feel OK about helping him with that.

I knew of a few folk that fell into heroin through the party scene, after parties were a wash with the stuff along with K and a few liked it a bit too much, I got into coke this way and more abusive use of amphetamines and MDMA, downers just didnt appeal

I've found NHS drug services can be equally misinformed, I had a counsellor last year suggest that buy me spending £1-200 a month on drugs I was depriving my kids, I had to tell her how much I earnt (considered very crass in the UK) and she just couldn't get her head round it, suggested I couldnt sustain such a lifestyle but I do less drugs now than I've done for sometime just my use is different and something I want to try and change in time. I never went back there, she knew nothing beyond dealing with broken people either alcoholic or with heroin / crack problems and assumed all drug users must be as dysfunctional and at the services mercy.

My experience with therapists has been better, I am investigating a private one ATM. They are less interested in the details of the drug use, infact the last one I saw asked no questions about it. Good ones recognise that the drug use is likely a symptom of something deeper if the person is unhappy about it, work on the persons problems and then look at removing problematic drug use. For me if I wasnt such a miserable fucker with little regard for myself I'm sure I'd find it easier not to use drugs in the abusive manner I do from time to time, of course its a vicious circle but it wont be broken by removing the drugs, they are a coping mechanism I've learnt. I very much doubt I'm in any way unique in that respect, in fact I know full well I'm not.

Just a normal person with normal problems that through circumstance is dealing with some of those problems by taking substances that temporarily relieve the symptoms, I'm more functional and productive when on amphetamines with the way I use these days, just like for a while benzos relived my anxiety. I've used amphetamines without such problems since I was 19. No drug abuse problems surfaced until my 30s, my previous weekend use was the very model of recreation albeit I enjoyed excess, I never used in the week apart from hash, didnt drink and when the party was over I could have drugs and just stash them for the next time.

Let's face it if that fat bastard from the coop bank was hoofing meth, coke and K anyone could be
 
Poignant when Dread tried to beg saying "I know you must take my middle years but please leave me my old age". I suppose by that time you're so persecuted and helpless that you'll do anything. It would have been beautiful if he could have summoned the strength from somewhere to be defiant.
 
I think he was genuinely taken a back by how it all turned out, his back story doesnt seem to suggest he was in it just for the money (although he clearly took it) I think to some extent he believed in the free market he created and that it could do some good.

I don't think he bargained for the massive volumes that went through the site and the huge distribution of hard drugs. Did SR cause people to take up habits they didnt have prior, I guess in some cases, in others I'm sure people were removed from street buying and all the dangers that go with that.

I tend to agree though, if you believe in a free market like that then you have to accept it for all it is, so either he was always a ruthless business man only interested in the money or he had principles that he disowned when he had the opportunity to make his last stand. He wasnt the first to run DN sites, carding had been going on for a good while and is arguably less (if at all) defensible.

Whatever the case life is absurd in terms of the actual crime, this is more about the total subversion of accepted law, or more the creation of a platform that doesnt need to recognise either laws or traditional currency, Bitcoin is really more of a commodity, it can't be controlled and manipulated using the established means and doesnt require a bank or government to stand behind it.

I don't think the worlds LE really knows how to deal with this emerging virtual world, Dread is just a trail blazer that they feel the need to make an example of to try and deter others, looking at the number of sites now running it clearly isnt working, people have upped their game and normal people are becoming more and more aware of securing their data and communications because it's clear that they've all been snooping on millions of people just because they could and can.

The internet and things like TOR and PGP are really just beginning to embed into our world, I can't see anyway they can be effectively controlled, they can't even shut down Piratebay FFS
 
Interesting responses. So please can I get it right in my own head first, whenever people disagree with me that's fine because that's a "healthy discussion" yet when I disagree with an opinion of many on here I am a "troll," "attention seeking," "short sighted" n "trying to annoy people." OK point taken :)

Allein thank you for your mature n adult response to my comment. There's a reason you're a moderator. I take a lot of what you said on board. In terms of sentence length you have a point. There does seem to be longer sentences for what would appear less of a crime than say murder. However we do not know if these people cut their drugs with owt or if anyone was injured or killed at the hands of purchasing substances from them. If people had been then that would justify their sentences, however as there is no definite proof that people were killed then it is possible that the sentences were too harsh.

However I stand by what I said they still deserved jail time as it's people like this that give vulnerable people access to substances they really shouldn't have access to. I'm sorry I don't agree with most of n for that making you angry however I'm not going to agree with something I don't agree with to be liked on an Internet forum.

Sorry :\

God almighty.

What the fuck are you doing on Bluelight?

Very mature comment as always, Felix. May try working on that? I am here because it's meant to be a harm reduction n a discussion site. At least the last time I looked it was :) and because I've addiction issues n wish to educate myself n help others in a similar position to myself. And if you've noticed I've not been here as much? I happen to lurk this thread n felt that, as a member, I had a right to an opinion. I humbly apologise for getting that wrong.

Evey
 
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