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Why some people have and some havent visuals on acid

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Why there seems to be so much difference in visual aspects of acid? I swear i could fly a plane (that means no visual disturbances whatsoever) on twice the dose someone i.e. my gf couldnt tell the wall from the floor from the cat.

Talking about the more obvious visual effects obviously.

Yes, I'm guilty of wanting to be fully immersed in visual mindfuck. Ive seen the most beautiful things in my life without any visuals on acid, still...
 
From my experience people who are kind of "mental weak" will have way more and stronger visuals, then people that have a healthy mind. With mental weak i don't mean that they have to be mentally ill or so, but that they are on the edge of a mental illness. These people function quit well in society, but have their problems and therefore in general "trip harder" then others.

Dont want to offend anybody, its just my personal experience and i cant obviously prove it in a scientific way.
 
Honestly, what I've observed has been pretty much opposite to rujex. With the exception of people who have been diagnosed with a psychotic disorder like schizophrenia, I've always noticed that people who have the most mental junk going seem to get the least visuals. Almost everyone I've ever met who has been diagnosed with either ADHD or borderline personality disorder has complained to me multiple times about taking enormous doses of psychedelics (most of which I've verified with my own eyes) and getting decently strong mental effects but almost no visual effects whatsoever. I personally have experienced moderately strong OCD and bipolar symptoms for most of my life and have dealt with a lot of situational anxiety and depression, and when I started tripping I had pretty much the fewest visuals of anyone I know. It was only after years of working on my problems and getting myself to a healthier state of mind that I've finally been able to get some amazing visuals in the last year or so, more so than many people I know now. On the other side, most people I know who seem to be relatively mentally stable to begin with usually get crazy strong visuals, and they usually care about tripping a lot less than the people who don't get strong visuals probably because it's so easy for them.

Your experience may vary, and personally I believe that genetics are probably the strongest deciding factor of all in how many visuals you get, but I think that probably the second strongest is how comfortable you are in the psychedelic state. And that's just something you kind of have to work on to figure out.... A lot of people could feel comfortable while tripping but really still be very reserved compared to other people. Someone who's just sitting there waiting for visuals is not comfortable at all compared to someone who is running around being crazy and just doing whatever comes to mind without a care, which is what most mentally stable who don't care that much about doing drugs as often usually do. Just asking for pretty much anything from a psychedelic is the best way to not get it. I know this is hard to take, but generally for everyone I've met, the only true way to get strong visuals was to stop caring about them.... Then they just kind of sneak up on you while you're focused on other things. If all you ever do is worry about getting more visuals, expect to be disappointed for quite a long time.
 
rujex said:
From my experience people who are kind of "mental weak" will have way more and stronger visuals, then people that have a healthy mind. With mental weak i don't mean that they have to be mentally ill or so, but that they are on the edge of a mental illness. These people function quit well in society, but have their problems and therefore in general "trip harder" then others.

Dont want to offend anybody, its just my personal experience and i cant obviously prove it in a scientific way.
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This does not line up with my own experiences.

If you're trying not to offend, "mental weak" is perhaps not the best choice of words.
 
I can't really speak for anyone but myself, but when I first started tripping, I never really noticed visuals until I first took a really heavy dose (then they got fucking WILD!)...since then I will get some visuals even if I'm underdosed. I think a lot of people with higher sensitivity just need to take more to be able to have visuals...

I also have known people who didn't even get visuals eating ten strips though, but in those cases they were the type of people who "close themselves off" mentally/emotionally from the world (not saying that's true of everyone who experiences psychedelics in that way just an observation of a couple people I've known)...the lack of visuals is like a metaphor for an inability to see a lot of the positive perspectives psychedelics can help you find & an inability to get beyond the "surface level" of the psychedelic experience.

But by that same token, the people I've known to have the most ridiculous, off the wall visuals, also don't seem to "get it", and also never get past that "surface level" of tripping & into the real, useful side. They never learn anything because they get too caught up in visual & sensory effects. This is just based off of a few people I know though, can't speak for all who get no visuals or insane visuals or those in the middle.

Lastly, I will say that personally, I've always gotten visuals for a long time, never any complete hallucinations (outside of DMT), at least not since I became more "used to" tripping, but very beautifully organized patterning, morphing, color alteration, etc, occasionally more bizarre things, which gets very intense up to a certain point, yet when I push the dosage really high visuals actually become less noticeable, definitely present & intense but I can't focus on them anymore & thus they don't get too crazy as they could at slightly lower (but still powerful) doses.
 
You have to take fairly large doses of LSD to get its visuals, which even then are no match for DMT's visuals. However, even low dose LSD has a tendency to lead to useful insights not seen on other drugs.
 
rujex said:
From my experience people who are kind of "mental weak" will have way more and stronger visuals, then people that have a healthy mind. With mental weak i don't mean that they have to be mentally ill or so, but that they are on the edge of a mental illness. These people function quit well in society, but have their problems and therefore in general "trip harder" then others.

Dont want to offend anybody, its just my personal experience and i cant obviously prove it in a scientific way.
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That's not my experience.

I know someone who is mentally ill who has taken LSD before and they never saw any sort of visuals at all, or did not have a psychedelic experience; but everyone else who took the same LSD as they did at the same time did see visuals and have a psychedelic experience.

This person also has taken Ayahuasca and said how they did not see any visuals from it; but they did experience telepathy from it.
 
well, now i guess it's fair to say that it all boils down to differences from person to person and drug to drug, or as Goddess said, genetics. now that i think of it, marijuana alone gives me visuals, and when i started smoking it, it was really fucking intense, fully immersive open eyed mindfuck and everything, totally psychedelic.

my OP was fueled by a bit of silly frustration, i completely agree that it's not a healthy attitude to force or expect anything from a drug or how it reacts with your brain, or anything at all really, and i've had mindblowing trips on acid without any visuals at all.

i don't think LSD is inherently 'not-that-visual' because as i said, some people get fully blown textbook trips on half a tab. it really is personal i guess now.

i'll just take more acid next time
 
Some chemicals are more visual than others. AL-LAD, for example, has never failed to give people great visuals even at lower doses in my experience. Definitely more so than LSD in my opinion.
 
rujex said:
From my experience people who are kind of "mental weak" will have way more and stronger visuals, then people that have a healthy mind. With mental weak i don't mean that they have to be mentally ill or so, but that they are on the edge of a mental illness. These people function quit well in society, but have their problems and therefore in general "trip harder" then others.

Dont want to offend anybody, its just my personal experience and i cant obviously prove it in a scientific way.
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I believe you are referring to those with low self esteem.
They need someone to be with to prevent or control bad tripping, I guess..
 
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This is a terrible thread. Anyway, my 2 cents, if you don't get any visuals on a psychedelic then you have not taken a high enough dose or you are on SSRIs.
 
I think this is an interesting thread.
I am not at all offended by the term 'mentally weak', I see it as a broad term that can mean anything from subtle OCD to full blown delusions. I myself am Bi-polar with OCD so I fit somewhere in this category, but that my be the low self esteem talking;)

Having said that, I would experience visual/audio activity as early as 15 min that would last beyond 12-15 hours or until I fell asleep.
It wasn't always the case, One trip I didn't feel anything until the 4th hour. At that point I had smoked then all the sudden, I could 'see'.

This was back in 1992, when even half a tab was still a very visual and audible experience.

Btw, my friend with ADHD experienced only laughter for many hours, no visuals.
 
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Holy crap, by my judgement there's some really judgemental crap in this thread.

There's a lot of "seek an ye shall find" with visuals and acid. Personally, I'm not too interested in visuals so I don't pursue them.They can seem like bothersome visual distortions, or pointless. I mentally try to see through them and seek the HD IMAX 3D super clarity vision instead. I get a lot more enjoyment out of seeing hi-res detail and hyper awareness of different shades and tones that the visual noise of patterns and geometry that aren't really there.

I know a guy who's tripped for years but has never seen the geometric fractally stuff. I had to explain to him that it's like the alex grey paintings, hippie art etc. I think we're all wired differently, and pay attention to different stuff.

With LSD and other psychedelics, the drug accumulates in the parts of your brain that you're using more (because increaced blood flow brings more drug to those areas) so it compounds the feedback cycle of turning up the gain on your neural circuits. So if you're paying attention to visuals, you start seeing more of them etc.

I enjoy auditory psychedelia more than visual. One of my favourite things to do is lie back in a near silent environment and listen to my brain's auditory system.
 
perpetualdawn said:
Holy crap, by my judgement there's some really judgemental crap in this thread.

There's a lot of "seek an ye shall find" with visuals and acid. Personally, I'm not too interested in visuals so I don't pursue them.They can seem like bothersome visual distortions, or pointless. I mentally try to see through them and seek the HD IMAX 3D super clarity vision instead. I get a lot more enjoyment out of seeing hi-res detail and hyper awareness of different shades and tones that the visual noise of patterns and geometry that aren't really there.

I know a guy who's tripped for years but has never seen the geometric fractally stuff. I had to explain to him that it's like the alex grey paintings, hippie art etc. I think we're all wired differently, and pay attention to different stuff.

With LSD and other psychedelics, the drug accumulates in the parts of your brain that you're using more (because increaced blood flow brings more drug to those areas) so it compounds the feedback cycle of turning up the gain on your neural circuits. So if you're paying attention to visuals, you start seeing more of them etc.

I enjoy auditory psychedelia more than visual. One of my favourite things to do is lie back in a near silent environment and listen to my brain's auditory system.
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This is an interesting concept that I haven't thought of before, nor seen research on.

It's pretty intuitive that things you think about/pay more attention to get stronger while tripping... but the idea that this actually may be due to increased blood flow is fascinating. Although without seeing evidence, I'll admit that I'm skeptical whether it would hold up to real testing.
 
I always get visuals off acid but every trip is different.

Sometimes acid makes me feel really mellow and chilled out. This is when I get the strongest visuals.
Other trips are more physical - there is intense stimulation and a very strong body high, but relatively mild visual distortion. This seems to happen more if I take acid when I'm feeling tired or run down.
 
so ive read some of the posts on this thread and in my experience (ok its still fairly limited with only having about 7 lsd trips) but ive found of doses as small as a third of a tab (~50ug of tested and proven as lsd) to experience fairly pronounced visuals probs around a level 3 but taking a full good tab (150ug) will result in some of the strongest visuals ive ever experienced (level4). i find myself to be very sensitive to tryptamines as my friend was on a full tab of the stuff i had a third of but I was still at a very similar level to him (it was also his first time on lucy but he and i have taken mushrooms together multiple times with the same thing occurring when he wouldnt be trippin as hard as myself on the same dose) to to conclude this ramble i think its just down to set, setting and the individuals biochemistry
 
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