Oral Only before holiday. Input please.

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nolys

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Spoke about this in SD social decided it merits a thread... I wrote about 500 words just now but my cunt of a phone deleted it so short and sweet

183lbs
180cm
22 yo
5 prev cycles using anadrol, test, deca dbol and super drol.

Need to get big in 6 weeks for holiday stopped training due to having baby about 8 months ago. Saving for spending money so funds are tight

Cycle

300mg deca for lubrication as I have bad shoulder
250mg test e to stop shutdown and because 6 weeks isn't enough time to feel it

1-3 50mg dbol
3-5 30mg dbol
3-5 20mg super drol
6 - 30mg super drol

The dbol taper then stop is to level out the amount of water retention so I don't look like a balloon when I leave, super drol hopefully add some definition and cut me up a bit hence it being upped and the dbol lowered then stopped.

Any further input on this at all? Never did an oral only before but in my mind this seems like a good solid cycle.
 
Oh and test will be ran throughout, and after cycle as will dbol, then when I get back it's pay day in work I'll be getting my first ever tren cycle, will aim to run 500mg tren or so with about 250mg test, so the gains aren't just going to drop off me
 
Hmm... I think you're going to balloon a bit regardless mate esp with Deca as well. You could throw in a low dose AI to reduce bloat a little.

I still can't call this an oral only with over half a gram of injectables tho ;)
 
The way I see it is that I won't be on the injectable long enough or at a high enough dosage to actually get any effects 250mg test is a cruise dose and 300mg deca is nothing either lol.

Any input on the timing of my changeovers from dbol to super drol? I don't really balloon on dbol but I've never ran 50mg for 6 weeks before longest was 40mg on 5 weeks I don't have any noticeable bloat looks like muscle mass normally
 
Honestly, I'd just run

DBol 1-4 @ 50mg/day
SDrol 5-6 @ 30mg/day

No need to taper a cross-over. The excess oestrogen takes quite a while to work its way out of the system, hence stopping the DBol 2 weeks early.
 
That's the kind of input I was looking, the reason for the crossover is that I was thinking that I could continue to grow with dbol whilst pack on lean mass with sdrol and give that nice defined look it gives underneath with the final week a dbol drain, do you think a dbol drain would take the 2 weeks? I don't really bloat that much it all looks lean on me I'm hoping the deca doesn't have any effect because deca can cause a bit of bloat... Thinking of running winny in the last week...
 
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That was my main concern is liver health or having your appetite tank. Mine gets shot from 21mg sdrol for too long. Hell Winstrol at 50/day I tried adding m1t oxime at 10/day felt like shit. Then I see people running Winstrol at 300/day for contest... Makes me feel sad
 
I'm going to get liver values done in 2 weeks time to see where I stand my doc is well aware I take steroids so I have no problems telling them. That's the thing I know exactly what to expect with dbol, few days of no appetite, heartburn, insomnia followed by a day or 2 of dizziness then feel great after it.
Super drol I've only ever taken for about 2 weeks at 20mg when I blew out my shoulder once so I don't know exactly what to expect...
 
nolys said:
With the final week a dbol drain, do you think a dbol drain would take the 2 weeks? I don't really bloat that much it all looks lean on me I'm hoping the deca doesn't have any effect because deca can cause a bit of bloat... Thinking of running winny in the last week...
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Well you know your body best; I bloat from just 250 of deca, the extra dbol would have me like a watermelon ;)

I also don't really like superdrol, and it's reputation for cholestatic (liver) harm is pretty notorious, although I know it has its fans.

If you don't really have a bloat issue from dbol, and if you're going to bring in Winstrol anyway, I'd rather do:

Dbol 1-6 @ 40mg/day
Winny 1-6 @ 40-60mg/day

I don't think you'd have any trouble gaining a lot of weight from this.
 
Serotonin101 said:
That was my main concern is liver health or having your appetite tank. Mine gets shot from 21mg sdrol for too long. Hell Winstrol at 50/day I tried adding m1t oxime at 10/day felt like shit. Then I see people running Winstrol at 300/day for contest... Makes me feel sad
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Aside from having liver failure, I think I'd be unable to walk, my joints having totally seized up lol.
 
CFC said:
Well you know your body best; I bloat from just 250 of deca, the extra dbol would have me like a watermelon ;)

I also don't really like superdrol, and it's reputation for cholestatic (liver) harm is pretty notorious, although I know it has its fans.

If you don't really have a bloat issue from dbol, and if you're going to bring in Winstrol anyway, I'd rather do:

Dbol 1-6 @ 40mg/day
Winny 1-6 @ 40-60mg/day

I don't think you'd have any trouble gaining a lot of weight from this.
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Ive never ran winny before and already have my super drol here tbh I don't think I will run it was just thinking it would strip the water off me, I think this cycle I'm just gonna have to wing it and do what my body tells me I think, the one thing I'm worried about is if the deca will bloat me I might just drop it, running it is just me being over conscious about my shoulder ligaments I suppose
 
Just check liver enzymes regularly.... 6 weeks can be enough to do some serious damage with methylated orals... especially at the dosages you're going to be running. As long as that's in check I think you'll be alright. As far as the overlap goes I'd just monitor it to see how your gains are coming along and then depending on that decide to either drop the dbol and switch to the super or continue with the dbol and overlap the two. If you're worried about appetite like Serotonin said, I'd just snag a bottle of ghrp-2 and pin 3xday if you're not already doing this. If anything it will definitely keep you hungry... it could also mitigate some of the e2 bloating that you may/may not experience even though you said you haven't had any bloat issues previously.
 
Yeah there's a guy on gh15 who used 300/day for peak week along with halo and anadrol lmao. At least his tan should be cheap as half his color woukd come from jaundice lol
 
Serotonin101 said:
Yeah there's a guy on gh15 who used 300/day for peak week along with halo and anadrol lmao. At least his tan should be cheap as half his color woukd come from jaundice lol
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I thought I had a great tan coming on last year, until I realised it was jaundice (caused by Hep E!) =D
 
pharmbiak said:
Just check liver enzymes regularly.... 6 weeks can be enough to do some serious damage with methylated orals... especially at the dosages you're going to be running. As long as that's in check I think you'll be alright. As far as the overlap goes I'd just monitor it to see how your gains are coming along and then depending on that decide to either drop the dbol and switch to the super or continue with the dbol and overlap the two. If you're worried about appetite like Serotonin said, I'd just snag a bottle of ghrp-2 and pin 3xday if you're not already doing this. If anything it will definitely keep you hungry... it could also mitigate some of the e2 bloating that you may/may not experience even though you said you haven't had any bloat issues previously.
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I stupidly didn't check them before starting it was a last minute think but I have an app booked for 2 weeks time then I'll book another one 2 weeks after that.
Nice post mate thanks, that's also what I'm thinking as long as liver values are OK I should basically let my body tell me what's best, I am concerned about bloating though I said I've never really bloated before which is true but I've never ran 50mg dbol for 6 weeks either...
Think I'll drop the deca as a precaution too
 
nolys said:
I stupidly didn't check them before starting it was a last minute think but I have an app booked for 2 weeks time then I'll book another one 2 weeks after that.
Nice post mate thanks, that's also what I'm thinking as long as liver values are OK I should basically let my body tell me what's best, I am concerned about bloating though I said I've never really bloated before which is true but I've never ran 50mg dbol for 6 weeks either...
Think I'll drop the deca as a precaution too
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Well hopefully your liver enzymes are good right now... pretty sure if you haven't been doing orals or anything crazy they're fine... when I was in cadaver anatomy in grad school I was always amazed at how resilient the liver actually is. Hell... you can cut off a whole lobe of it and the damn thing will practically grow back. haha

Definitely meant GHRP-6 not 2, my fault on that one. GHRP-6 basically turns your stomach into a deep dark bottomless pit... sort of like some peoples souls... wow, that was dark... hahaha
But that'll keep your appetite up for sure...

Yeah if anything will give you bloat, 50mg of dbol for 6 weeks certainly should (not to mention the superdrol)... but the best way to avoid bloat is to drink water as much as possible... That should help to keep your water retention low. If I were you I'd also make sure to keep an AI on hand like anastrozole just in case anything crazy starts happening, even though this along with the orals is going to be a strain on your liver.

Dropping the deca might be helpful... not for your liver but for the bloat. Although, if you're running an anastrozole at around 0.5 mg every 3 days, I'd think that you'd be okay having deca in your stack as well. Also, if you're wanting to keep the cycle oral only but you're wanting a look that equates to the dry lean gains you'd see with Winstrol, check out Epistane. It's oral and the gains you'd see are very lean and dry... just again (I'm sure you will) keep on top of those liver enzymes... from what it sounds like you have a good plan in place and you should be fine.

Cheers,

-pharm
 
nolys said:
Ive never ran winny before and already have my super drol here tbh I don't think I will run it was just thinking it would strip the water off me, I think this cycle I'm just gonna have to wing it and do what my body tells me I think, the one thing I'm worried about is if the deca will bloat me I might just drop it, running it is just me being over conscious about my shoulder ligaments I suppose
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Personally I wouldn't drop Nandrolone in favour of orals....
 
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