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Done being a fat-ass

burningdiesel

burningdiesel

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Well. As the title states I'm on a journey to finally get into the shape I've always wanted to.
1). I'm a active person, just make unhealthy choices my whole life.

Alright, I'm 5'11 and used to be 200#'s I've cut down to 177
I road cycle for at least 50 miles throughout the week.
I hike local trails, but don't 'run' laps or miles at a track or anything like that.

Here's my average diet.
Tuna or any fish not fried, Apple's, eggs, beans, mixed nuts.
Basically I am replicating the machinist diet but a little bit healthier. Generally each day is sub 600 calories. Doesn't matter if I bike 20 miles and burn 1000+ I will substitue with liquids.

Alright, here's my question for y'all- I want add weights or muscle building exercises to my life. I figured I've leaned down enough to start gaining muscle.
I will not stop cycling, it's my new love since I've sobered up.

Will extensive cycling hinder the building of muscle? I've bullshited around with weights, but never had a set routine.
Looking for some advice. Help me reach my dream 8)
 
burningdiesel said:
Here's my average diet.
Tuna or any fish not fried, Apple's, eggs, beans, mixed nuts.
Basically I am replicating the machinist diet but a little bit healthier. Generally each day is sub 600 calories. Doesn't matter if I bike 20 miles and burn 1000+ I will substitue with liquids.
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Restricting your calories that severely isn't healthy. Your body needs to refuel itself.

burningdiesel said:
Will extensive cycling hinder the building of muscle? I've bullshited around with weights, but never had a set routine.
Looking for some advice. Help me reach my dream 8)
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Yes, especially only eating 600 calories a day... That's just downright anorexic. There's no way you're going to put on any muscle and you're going to run your body into the ground in no time. I never understood people who felt the need to go on starvation diets, it's totally counter productive. I mean look at people like Michael Phelps...

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He was eating something like 8,000-10,000 calories a day including plenty of "dity" food. I'm not saying to eat that much obviously, but if you're highly active there's absolutely no reason for severe calorie restriction. Your body needs the fuel.
 
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My diet now isn't really a starvation diet. I'm never skipping meals, or go hungry.
I wanted to cut down as much fat as possible in order to start bulking muscle.
So my theory is, eat the same amount of calories I burn a day, that way I'm always negative and continue to drop.
I do still eat a lot of protein, just recently started to take supplements and vitamins. So I doubt I'm doing any damage at all, I feel better each day, and every Mile gets a little easier on the bike.

Edit: just ate breakfast, and here's an example of my normal meal.
2pc. Turkey bacon ( 50 cal?) 1 boiled egg (110 cal?) 60g of chicken breast ( 80 cal?)
And I'm full as fuck. I always smash 16oz of water 5-10 minutes before I eat too.

Then throughout the time before my next meal I'll snack on dill pickles. Why? Zero carbs baby, and 1 calorie per pickle...

collard green salad for lunch, no dressing, with smoked country ham bits, and half a egg. White only. Puppy Dog insited on eating the yoke.


I like the minimalist aspect of the way I'm living now. Its a lot better than take out every night, eating a whole fucking little Cesars, or the other bad stuff I was routinely devouring.

Plus, from what I'm saving on food expenses I'll probably be able to afford a nice cycle eventually.
 
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I was never fat but I did have some excess weight on me that I wanted to get rid of and I read the slimmer you are the harder it is to do so.

To the OP, since January 2014 I had lost 25lbs by June. That landed me around ~160 iirc. Now I'm under 160lbs and maintaining. I'm 6"1.5'.

All I did was stop eating dinner/after 8 o clock.

At the beginning it is extremely difficult due to stomach discomfort in the night but anything small & high in fibre with water helped. The rule is 6 o clock but stopping after 8 worked for me.

You don't have to diet. You can eat how you want and you don't have to exercise. I'm not saying you shouldn't exercise but being overweight that is usually hard.

25lbs in 6 months. Lots of water too. Now my diet and eating habits have changed dramatically. I no longer eat snacks (unless stoned) and I eat oats/alpen every morning and then a decent lunch. .

I've been able to maintain this way & I barely still eat after 8.
 
I don't understand. I am 5'11. and when I was 175lbs I looked GREAT! I did not have six pack abs. But I was not fat, AT ALL. This is really weird, then again I was lifting a lot of weights when I was at 175. But man, I guess you have no muscle at all.


I wish I could weigh 175 again lol.
 
PotatoMan said:
I was never fat but I did have some excess weight on me that I wanted to get rid of and I read the slimmer you are the harder it is to do so.

To the OP, since January 2014 I had lost 25lbs by June. That landed me around ~160 iirc. Now I'm under 160lbs and maintaining. I'm 6"1.5'.

All I did was stop eating dinner/after 8 o clock.

At the beginning it is extremely difficult due to stomach discomfort in the night but anything small & high in fibre with water helped. The rule is 6 o clock but stopping after 8 worked for me.

You don't have to diet. You can eat how you want and you don't have to exercise. I'm not saying you shouldn't exercise but being overweight that is usually hard.

25lbs in 6 months. Lots of water too. Now my diet and eating habits have changed dramatically. I no longer eat snacks (unless stoned) and I eat oats/alpen every morning and then a decent lunch. .

I've been able to maintain this way & I barely still eat after 8.
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This is the SECRET to losing weight if there has ever been one. The first few days are SO HARD. I have not been able to implement this for YEARS.
 
Well, Im not really fat (anymore) I just have excess stomach fat. Aka, I'm not cut like I wish to be.
I work in the farm industry, I've always been husky and broad. Lifting 100# bales all summer during hay season, posting, equine care, etc. Etc...
So, I wouldn't say I have no muscle- my legs have zero excess fat, same with my arms, it's all just in my stomach / chest.

I'm not asking how to shed weight. I've lost 25lbs starting after March madness.
Just somewhat lost on toning up.
 
There's really no such thing as "toning up". You can gain muscle and/or lose fat. And the whole notion of not eating past a certain time is just broscience. It all comes down to calories in vs calories out. That's the reason top atheletes like runners and swimmers can get away with eating a shit load of food, because they're burning a lot of calories.
 
Eating too few calories causes permanent changes in your hormonal regulation (specifically the hunger hormones such as leptin and grehlin, etc) that can ultimately lead to weight gain. It's also been found to cause metabolic changes that make your body more efficient at gaining and storing adiposal tissue.

TL;DR starving yourself makes you fat. It's a really silly idea if you're trying to lose weight.
 
I'm going to call bullshit... And again, though my calorie intake is lower than normal. I eat CONSTANTLY. I'm never actually hungry unless I get done with a intense ride, or hike.
I've lost weight, and gained some muscle. I'm going to continue to eat sub 1000 until I reach my goal; I'm planning out a routine once I start weight training.
I don't want to gain a lot of muscle while I still have a more fat than I'd like.

Edit: everyone is different too. I have short legs for my height. 5'11 with a 30-30 pant size. So most of my mass is all torso..
 
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Gotta love threads where the op asks for advice and then shoots every single bit of it down... It's obvious that you're going to do what you want op, but I can guarantee you that restricting calories so severely is merely going to make your body go into starvation mode and hold onto FAT, not muscle. That's the way the human body is wired because in a real starvation situation it would be important for the body to have a fat reserve to go to first before having to start eating muscle up. But do as you will...
 
nuttynutskin said:
going to make your body go into starvation mode and hold onto FAT, not muscle. That's the way the human body is wired because in a real starvation situation it would be important for the body to have a fat reserve to go to first before having to start eating muscle up. But do as you will...​/QUOTE]

Not quite sure what you meant there? It seems like you are contradicting yourself.
Even tho my caloric intake is always a deficit (more than average) I still take in lots or protein, and the essentials.
I realize I'm not going to build up lots of muscle mass on my current diet (which I'm not trying to do yet) I guess it only makes sense to me:sus: But, as of currently I'm wanting to lose extra fat. That way it's easier to gain muscle mass when I start weight training. It's not like I'm eat a nibble of this and that and go around with a growling stomach.
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Meh, I got a bit mixed up... It's been a while since I've read or cared about anything related to dieting mainly because it doesn't apply to me. Maybe this will help, although you seem to have pretty much made your mind up already...

Cutting calories slows weight loss

The liver stores only enough glycogen (energy) to last for one day so when fasting lasts longer than 24 hours, the body will then turn to muscle to produce glucose for energy. After following a very low calorie diet or fast for one week, 30 percent of the total weight loss is muscle and the rest is fluid.

The amount of muscle in the body sets your metabolic rate (the rate at which you burn calories). So as muscle is lost, they perform less metabolic work, saving calories and hence energy. In short, your rate of weight loss will slow down.

In fact, most two- to three-day crash diets that claim to burn fat only burn away metabolically active muscle tissue and actually hinder long-term weight loss. The same applies when skipping meals. When you eat a meal, overall metabolism is increased due to the energy required for digestion and absorption of the meal. Skipping a meal will have the reverse effect, decreasing the metabolism, which lasts until you eat something.

Overall, the body will then save - rather than burn - calories to ensure it has adequate energy during the times of fasting. So meal skipping to avoid unwanted calories is a counterproductive method for sustained weight loss.
Consequences

When calorie levels are increased to a normal level, weight gain will be faster and the weight will come back as fat since your metabolic rate has slowed and you may even end up heavier than before you began dieting. The loss of muscle will have an effect on your ability to maintain weight loss in the long term unless muscle is regained by exercising.

http://www.tescohealthandwellbeing..../3135-starvation-diets-and-why-they-dont-work

The Body's Protective Mechanism

This metabolic response to starvation demonstrates a protective mechanism of survival. When you don't eat, the body thinks you may be entering a period of famine. Who knows when the next food may come along, so the body conserves its stored calories for later use. This evolutionary protection of our ancestors makes an "all or nothing" eating pattern ineffective for weight loss. Even though sustained starvation over a long period of time will eventually result in weight loss, this is not a healthy or realistic weight-loss plan. Weight loss from starvation can cause lasting damage to the body and metabolism.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/84684-starvation-diet/

So basically on a severe caloric deficit (which you're on), your body is going to retain fat and burn muscle. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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Daily cardio is the best thing for belly fat..... it will make you lean.

SELF DISCIPLINE is the most imortant thing you need for weight control. Make a workout plan and stick to it! Keep a work out chart and check off your daily exercises.

Also, NEVER DIET!! That will only make you fatter. If you don't believe me, look at it this way - most American housewives are on life-long diets, yet most of them are fat and grow fatter each year. The obesity rate in America is around 70%. If dieting or any form of calorie restriction really worked, there wouldn't be 1,000,000,000 different diet books in print either. But don't do something like eat a gallon of icecream and 2 liters of Coke a day either. Eat normally.
 
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If you google the Minnesota Starvation Experiment, you can read all about the first time wide scale study of calorie restriction. Done in the 1950s, the study put healthy men on a 1500 calorie diet and basically watched what happened. There was weight loss, sure, but also high rates of depression, food obsession, self-harm, etc. Once they were allowed to eat again, binging was common.

We've known since the 50s that calorie restriction isn't healthy (and 1500 is huge compared to some diets today). Research since then has identified specific hormones that are affected by calorie restriction and linked to weight gain/hunger (see the link I posted in another thread for more information). Researchers have identified metabolic systems that both affect and are affected by calorie restriction and weight loss.

I'm not really sure why people think this isn't a thing?
 
OP- At your height, weight, if you only worked out for 40 minutes, 3 times per week. Your BMR is estimated at 1800 calories and your TDEE is 2400. The most agressive calorie defecit recomended for anyone is 20%, that means you should still be eating around 1800 calories per day. To bulk up on muscle you need to be eating roughly 2600 calories per day to bulk.

http://whataremymacros.com/

Stop being stupid and give your body the fuel it needs.


As for fat loss. I don't understand why people over complicate losing fat. Just calculate a manageable calorie deficit, stick within your macros and increase activity. It really is that simple. There is no need to starve yourself, eating at 10% 20% calorie deficit is quite manageable and is all that is needed for healthy fat loss.
 
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cicerogrinds said:
the amount of bs in this thread is at record levels... guess is expected looking for diet advice in a drug forum
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