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UK general Election. I could use some advice...

dhcdavid

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Hiya fellow U.K. Bluighters....

I'm sure I can't be alone in feeling.so sick and fucking.tired of the whole thing, due to it feeling like the seemingly endless election buildup has been going on since about three months before last years Scottish referendum..

And so at the tender age of 28 I'm ashamed to admit this'll be my first time voting.

I live in the southeast of England in a super safe Tory seat (the incumbent Tory MP held the seat at the 2010 election with a majority of over 7000) which has been held by the nasty nasty party nonstop since 1945.

And so although I'd very much like to vote either Labour or Green it's the sad truth about this country's fucking retarded first-past-the-post electoral voting system that to vote for either the Greens or Labour in my constituency is a total waste of time.

So, the only credible alternative to the incumbent Tory candidate is the Liberal Democrats.......and up until the Liberal Democrats joined forces with the Nasty party to form the vile coalition government of the last five-year-long parliamentary session I'd always thought I'd vote Lib Dem (seeing as how voting Labour in the southeast of England/the U.K. is about as much use as a chocolate teapot).

But after the Lib Dems were complicit in TRIPLING University tuition fees I'm seriously fucking loath to give them my vote.

In conclusion,, can anyone more knowledgeable tell me something/s good and noble that the aforementioned Lib Dems did or achieved during their time in office these last five years?

Something that would outweigh their vile complicity in tripling uni tuition fees, helping to set the privatisation-of-the-NHS in motion and being seemingly willing partners with the Vile Nasty party in tailoring the austerity cuts to hit the poorest and most vulnerable hardest through brutal benefits cuts and the wholesale stripping of local mental health services up and down the entire country?

Otherwise I feel like its not even worth dragging my arse along to vote this Thursday.

Many thanks if you've read this entire post and even greater thanks - in advance - for hopefully taking a minute or two to respond to my queries and give me your two cents worth.
 
Have a read through the election thread if you haven't (avoiding the arguments in there ;)). It's difficult - i personally would find it very hard to vote for orange book lib dems after their betrayal - it would be terrible if they weren't severely punished by the electorate this time for their lies. At the same time it would feel bad to help a tory get in - this should not happen in a democracy. I think if i did vote there, i'd still vote with my conscience (eg green or another left party), as in effect a lib dem mp could very likely join the tories again, so there's not much difference. At the very least you might contribute to a lowering of their majority. It is a difficult choice though - the fucking electoral system is a joke.
 
Do you know the term rock and a hard place?

Nice post, can't help you. If its that important to vote for the sake of it, vote Green. But yeah, SE England you sum up quite well.
 
But after the Lib Dems were complicit in TRIPLING University tuition fees I'm seriously fucking loath to give them my vote.

In conclusion,, can anyone more knowledgeable tell me something/s good and noble that the aforementioned Lib Dems did or achieved during their time in office these last five years?

Hi
Im from the south east too. I considered voting tory just to do my bit to prevent UKIP getting another seat, but now the time has come I really cant bring myself to do it.

As for the tuition fees.
You could just give the lib dems the benefit of the doubt. That decision was made very soon after the election IIRC. They had no practice of how to be part of a coalition.
They might've just had a good look at books and shat themselves and rolled over.

As I say thats giving the benefit of the doubt and ( somewhat generously ) seeing them as humans who are going to fuck up from time to time.

If some of the stories in the press that have appeared recently are to be believed they got better at using their position as time went on.

They are the only party that have been able to provide actual numbers re their budget plans, I think that says a lot.
 
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The thing in the Lib Dems' favour is, they aren't Labour.

And yes, the tuition fees thing was bad. But we really don't know how far up their back the Tories twisted their arms. Someone who's never been in government before, let alone in a coalition with the Conservatives, is naturally going to be a bit on the naïve side.

Also, the Lib Dems probably are the best hope for getting rid of first-past-the-post -- and if elected in their own right, there won't even be a referendum for the Tories to sabotage. (Random Thought: Where do the SNP stand on transferrable votes?)
 
The thing in the Lib Dems' favour is, they aren't Labour.

No, they're more right-wing and cynical than even New Labour could be. Refer to the Orange Book and the 2005 GE, where Liberal candidates were notorious for cynical campaigning - in particular the targeting of Muslim communities during a time of much unrest over UK involvement in Iraq - indeed, just before the 7/7 bombings.

The proposed electoral reforms were fashioned entirely in their own interests anyway. Alright, it may improve British politics a hundredfold, but the motive was more power for the Orange Book Libs.
 
Liberal candidates were notorious for cynical campaigning - in particular the targeting of Muslim communities during a time of much unrest over UK involvement in Iraq - indeed, just before the 7/7 bombings.

Would it have been less ...cynical of them to ignore the brown people ?

Or are you suggesting 7/7 was a LibDem false flag operation :sus:
 
I'm suggesting neither.

All I'm suggesting is that suddenly turning up on hitherto-ignored (by the Libs) brown people's doorsteps on a "we didn't endorse Iraq" platform was, um, pretty fucking cynical.

Just like they made exhibits out of their gay MPs, and have tried to appeal to cannabis users in the past.

Or are you suggesting 7/7 was a LibDem false flag operation :sus:

That did make me laugh though. :)
 
It makes no diffence who you vote for -democracy died many years ago and infact was only ever a figment of the imagination...the westwern world is a corpopracy by thiose with weatlth and thereofre power , politicians are mearly actors to ugly to tread the boards.
 
Also, the Lib Dems probably are the best hope for getting rid of first-past-the-post -- and if elected in their own right, there won't even be a referendum for the Tories to sabotage. (Random Thought: Where do the SNP stand on transferrable votes?)

The SNP are in favour of AV

However, as for the Lib Dems

The referendum on getting rid of FPTP and introducing AV was held in May 2011. Ostensibly it was meant to be the LD's 'big thing' that got them bought off into the coalition. Some of us who hate the LD's don't just hate them because they did a massive about turn on tuition fees but because this vote, their baby, the supposed buy-off for entering into coalition and allowing the Tories to up tuition fees (as well as everything else they did) was a complete shambles where the LD's did suspiciously fuck all campaigning for a 'Yes' vote.

The result was a terrible 42% turnout and a defeat for the yes vote by 32%-67%. Considering the clamour for a more fair voting system that seems to get raised at every election, the result of this vote was incredulous to say the least and some people, including me, believe the vote was 'fixed' to the extent that Clegg et al deliberately did not make a big campaign out of what was their supposed big idea. IE Cameron bought off Clegg as Clegg was more interested in power rather than principle.

Political scientists described the vote as "ill-informed" and that was something of an understatement.

Here is the previous EADD thread on the AV referendum

It shows a couple of things. One is how Clegg even watered down his original propasals for a PR vote to AV.

The second is it shows an awful lot of missing EADD'ers who were interesting posters and are now dead or gone. :(
 
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^Spot on. I don't trust that the orange book lib dems aren't actually a tory takeover from the inside. Nick Clegg worked for good old paedo leon brittan first in europe, then joined lib dems and helped push them to the right.

A similar thing thing happened in labour with the 'transatlantic' influenced group which later split to form the SDP and let thatch win (probably for similar self-serving 'saving the country from chaos' bullshit reasoning (meaning pleasing their american masters by not letting foot get rid of the bomb)).
 
If it's a safe Tory seat, you may as well vote Green, yeah.. you'll feel 78% more awesome for doing so.
 
Hiya fellow U.K. Bluighters....

Long time no see, david. :)

I hate to say this, but if I was in your situation I'd probably spoil my vote, or not bother, or just BURN IT DOWN. ;)

FUCK FTPT. Except when it works.

Edit. Nah. Go out and vote Green. If that is your voice, make it heard.
 
Thanks for posting everyone.

And hi there right back at you Felix!

I reckon I may just stay in and get baked.

Fuck it!
 
You might as well vote Green if it's a safe seat anyway. Might help them get their deposit back & encourage more campaigning and/or other voters next time. Greens getting a higher percentage of the vote sends a message to the other parties too, even if you don't get a Green MP. Vote for whoever has policies close to what you believe in, there's no point tactical voting if it's not a marginal seat.

You can see roughly how close it is in your area here: https://election.38degrees.org.uk/constituencies
 
You might as well vote Green if it's a safe seat anyway. Might help them get their deposit back & encourage more campaigning and/or other voters next time. Greens getting a higher percentage of the vote sends a message to the other parties too, even if you don't get a Green MP. Vote for whoever has policies close to what you believe in, there's no point tactical voting if it's not a marginal seat.

You can see roughly how close it is in your area here: https://election.38degrees.org.uk/constituencies

Only commenting on that website, what else you say I agree with.

But that website is far too cautious. It works on the basis of

The race is considered close if two parties are rated with a greater than 5% chance of victory.

It gives my constituency as 'too close to call'. This is wrong. My constituency is pretty much a cast iron Plaid Cymru hold. The site needs to adjust its parameters.
 
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