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Thanks so much for your swift and insightful reply Ro4eva. Unfortunatley i fall under that age bracket, im 19 struggling with life a lot these days. At work the DP/DR is sureal like im in a dream! i think its related to stress because it doesnt happen at home often. Yes i have the burning pains but it is more a dull aching sensation around my chest lower ribs and my left arm. My left arm at times feels completely numb. No i havent started exercise but my heart pounds when i do some sort of running and scares me! i wonder if ill have a heart attack? At the moment my symptoms include
- Severe Social Anxiety in large crowds
- Insomnia
- Beating heart pulse (constantly)
- Floaters only in my left eye (they can fuck off though really, a bit of a nothing symptom)
- Light sensitivity although im not too sure about it so i dont want to think about it and give it a chance to manifest
- Pains all over my ribs, chest and left arm
- Random twitches in my head (rare but scary!)
Symptoms i dont exhibit
No lack of sex drive at all.
Concentration levels are relatively bad but can be dealt with
DP/DR isnt life crippling

Any ideas and tips? Again i appreciate your work immensely what your doing for the people on this site actually does a lot more than you may think.

EDIT: I took dexamphetamine for a year before this happened (ADHD medication)
 
I think theres a link between adhd med and mdma that could cause the ltc. I was on vyvanse for 3 years. I thook the medicine 2 days before ingesting mdma and 2 days after just to be sure. Still got the "ltc" man.

I always looked at my adhd med like a superpower really. Not being able to take them anymore is like losing that superpower. such a bummer man. When i take them my muscles are rigid, my arms hurt and much more
 
I just havent taken them because im too scared, but its dopamine receptors affected so i dont understand how it links to seratonin
 
Thanks so much for your swift and insightful reply Ro4eva.

You're most welcome, but unfortunately there will be times when it'll take me a day or two to reply.

Wish I had more time to post on here, but life's errands can be such a drag.

Unfortunatley i fall under that age bracket, im 19 struggling with life a lot these days. At work the DP/DR is sureal like im in a dream! i think its related to stress because it doesnt happen at home often. Yes i have the burning pains but it is more a dull aching sensation around my chest lower ribs and my left arm. My left arm at times feels completely numb. No i havent started exercise but my heart pounds when i do some sort of running and scares me! i wonder if ill have a heart attack? At the moment my symptoms include
- Severe Social Anxiety in large crowds
- Insomnia
- Beating heart pulse (constantly)
- Floaters only in my left eye (they can fuck off though really, a bit of a nothing symptom)
- Light sensitivity although im not too sure about it so i dont want to think about it and give it a chance to manifest
- Pains all over my ribs, chest and left arm
- Random twitches in my head (rare but scary!)
Symptoms i dont exhibit
No lack of sex drive at all.
Concentration levels are relatively bad but can be dealt with
DP/DR isnt life crippling

Any ideas and tips? Again i appreciate your work immensely what your doing for the people on this site actually does a lot more than you may think.

EDIT: I took dexamphetamine for a year before this happened (ADHD medication)

Well, if your left arm goes numb, and you're experiencing an unpleasant awareness of your heart beating throughout your body, as if it's pounding so hard that it propagates all the way to the ends of your fingers and/or toes, then I think you should seek medical attention a.s.a.p. - preferably with a cardiologist (a physician who specializes in the study, diagnosis, and treatment of health issues related to the human cardiovascular system). And you can then have a batch of tests scheduled and performed to test your heart function such as an Electrocardiogram, a Holter Monitor, stress testing, and most likely some bloodwork as well. And if it all comes back negative, then perhaps it'll at least provide you with some long term peace of mind.

Your symptoms sort of remind me of my own when I became ill with this so called 'LTC,' because I was absolutely convinced that I had damaged my heart in some manner, because I too immediately began to experience what I can only describe as "an uncomfortable/unpleasant awareness of my heart beating," and as a result, it became nearly impossible for me to get a good night's sleep, since the aforementioned symptom would constantly affect me while in my bed. I'd be trying to sleep, and all I'd hear/feel close to every second would be "thump, thump, thump, thump..." Drove me crazy. Drove me even more crazy when the all the tests my cardiologist ordered/performed came back negative.

On top of that, my extremities - especially my hands and fingers - would go numb and/or tingle every few seconds.

There was about 20 symptoms in total that I recall having to deal with, and unfortunately, no amount of a healthy lifestyle helped me to recover, and I tried for a good 6 to 7 months. It was only when, out of desperation that I resorted to Rx meds that I began to notice results. But even then, it took ~11 months in total for all the symptoms to completely and permanently leave me.

I should note however that, before I got sick, I unfortunately was extremely reckless with my consumption of mind altering substances - particularly MDMA and Amphetamines. I'm not proud to admit this, but I had ingested well over 1,000 ecstasy pills over the course of a few years before I got sick. And I also used a lot of Amphetamines (particularly Meth) and Cocaine as well. Yeah... (Point being that I must have fried a lot of brain cells, hence the ~11 months spent on Rx meds in order to recover).

Whether you decide to do what I did is your choice, but know that there are people who have recovered without the use of Rx meds.

Although I don't know you, I'm genuinely sorry you have to deal with this shit. I know it's really tough, and it makes you question whether you'll ever be "normal" again (whatever your "normal" is). Good luck with everything - we'll be around if you need to talk, cheers :)

P.S. Don't give up - this is not the end (trust me on that). Hang in there - we're here for you; I'm here for you (for what it's worth). And I know you're not faking (some doctors might think you are unfortunately if they perform tests which come back negative).
 
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Hello everyone, some of you remember me postin earlier. I am happy to tell that most of my symptoms are now gone, the one and only thing that still remains is a slight brain fog. While I got used to it, I still have troubles with "100% thinking capabilities" and my memory is not that good either. But at least now I feel almost like a normal person again. :)
 
I think theres a link between adhd med and mdma that could cause the ltc. I was on vyvanse for 3 years. I thook the medicine 2 days before ingesting mdma and 2 days after just to be sure. Still got the "ltc" man.

I always looked at my adhd med like a superpower really. Not being able to take them anymore is like losing that superpower. such a bummer man. When i take them my muscles are rigid, my arms hurt and much more

Well, according to some medical literature - regarding the potential risks of frequent and high dosage MDMA consumption in humans - which I read fairly recently, one way in which MDMA may be neurotoxic is by (somehow) facilitating the release of Dopamine into Serotonin synapses by way of the Serotonin Transporter which is reportedly inverted or reversed temporarily by the MDMA.

This apparently can happen when a MDMA user's Serotonin has been depleted as a result of frequent and heavy usage, and he or she continues ingesting the drug. In such a scenario, somehow, Dopamine eventually ends up being present in 5-HT synapses - perhaps MAOI is involved.

Anyways, from what I understand based on the aforementioned literature I read, Dopamine is very toxic to 5-HT receptors in general.

I should also note that MDA is more likely to cause this than MDMA or MDEA (according to the source).

I realize this might sound like complete bullshit - probably because these drugs (AFAIK) don't directly affect DA receptors. But consider the fact that 3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine (MDMA), 3,4-methylenedioxy-amphetamine (MDA), and 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-ethyl-amphetamine (MDEA) are all substituted amphetamines and phenethylamines.

If I manage to find the source article which discusses this (possibly) plausible mechanism of MDMA/MDA/MDEA-induced neurotoxicity in humans, I'll be sure to add a link to it in this post.

In the meantime, out of respect for everyone here who is suffering from this horrible illness dubbed a 'Long Term Comedown,' and also who may be distressed to be reading this comment, I'd like to sincerely note that this is all unsubstantiated hearsay based on anecdotal and dated information from a Bluelighter who admittedly has a terrible memory, as well as very little knowledge of psychotropic pharmacology and organic chemistry when compared with one of the many very intelligent regulars from the 'Advanced Drug Discussion' subforum here.

I wish you all a pleasant day :)
 
Hello everyone, some of you remember me postin earlier. I am happy to tell that most of my symptoms are now gone, the one and only thing that still remains is a slight brain fog. While I got used to it, I still have troubles with "100% thinking capabilities" and my memory is not that good either. But at least now I feel almost like a normal person again. :)

Excellent! I'm so happy for you!

Not to sound like your parents, but I trust that this experience has - at least - made you more cautious about consuming MDMA and other 'street drugs,' yes?

Don't get me wrong, whether you decide to consume any mind altering substances (legal or illegal) is none of my business, and I would never judge you for it. Just saying that they can be rather risky to consume, and none of them are 100% risk free - not even THC (Cannabis/Marijuana), but I digress.

For me, it's always great to read about others on here who have partially and/or completely recovered. And I'm confident that your recovery will provide others with some much needed peace of mind (that this is not the end of their "normal" lives - whatever their "normal" is).

Have a good one - cheers :)
 
The thing is that something physical HAS to get thrown off to cause a random mental illness in somebody who did not have it before. Even in people with non-mdma induced issues, there are physical abnormalities.

Current medicine is not able to detect functional damage. Thats why if you go to a neurologist they will find nothing--neurology deals with organic damage (eg TBI) not functional issues. In fact, in my case, my delayed LTC was shown with tests to have a endocrine root in hypothalmic-pituitary dysfunction.

Some people say this LTC is like "PTSD" but no good dr/therapist would diagnose that. There is absolutely no trauma at all. You are fine one day and then wake up with anxiety essentially.

The best theories have to do with glutamate issues, HPA axis/cortisol dysregulation, neurogenesis impairment, etc. The point is, none of this except the HPA axis stuff is detectable with tests. So unless you have an endocrine abnormality the only solution is to use acceptance based therapies perhaps with psych meds and let your body heal itself.

If you pick up a book about Depersonalization, there's a ton of information out there about how one could be fine one day and wake up the next with anxiety. It isn't a deep mystery, and many people experience it from a wide range of triggers. The important thing isn't figuring out what the biological mechanism is. In fact, the pursuit for such answers by anyone outside of a research facility is really just going to perpetuate the anxiety.

"LTC" = depersonalization = a very complex anxiety/obsessive-compulsive disorder that no one has a precise medical answer. That said, there are ways to minimize the suffering.

Pick up Overcoming Depersonalization Disorder by Fugen Neziroglu

I fear for those who come here to Bluelight looking for answers and read posts that try to find a medical answer, when the key to healing is right in front of us.
 
Right--there is no precise answer unless you run tests and find something endocrine related. Beyond that if theres nothing there then you will never really know. I dont have DP but i do have anxiety and ive run those tests and found abnormalities that are being corrected and its an emotional roller coaster but I am getting better...

Thats what I was saying though--im just saying that acceptance based therapies will help. Your body will ultimately heal itself from whatever is thrown off. I was just saying that just because nobody has found anything precise for the symptoms after running all the hormone tests that does not mean that it is necessarily "all in your head". I gave examples of other drugs which are prescription and have caused people suffering. Science has not come far enough to explain all this. The reason why trying to obsessively search for the answer hurts is cause then you dont let your body recover...

It seems like the book you recommend uses the acceptance based approach which is good. For now, thats the best science has.
 
Right--there is no precise answer unless you run tests and find something endocrine related. Beyond that if theres nothing there then you will never really know. I dont have DP but i do have anxiety and ive run those tests and found abnormalities that are being corrected and its an emotional roller coaster but I am getting better...

Thats what I was saying though--im just saying that acceptance based therapies will help. Your body will ultimately heal itself from whatever is thrown off. I was just saying that just because nobody has found anything precise for the symptoms after running all the hormone tests that does not mean that it is necessarily "all in your head". I gave examples of other drugs which are prescription and have caused people suffering. Science has not come far enough to explain all this. The reason why trying to obsessively search for the answer hurts is cause then you dont let your body recover...

It seems like the book you recommend uses the acceptance based approach which is good. For now, thats the best science has.

Yes indeed!

And sorry if I came off as confrontational. That wasn't my intention.

I admittedly get into such a rut trying to figure out whether this is biological, mental, "all in my head," etc. so that's why I felt obligated to respond in the first place.

but I am confident that regardless of the inaccessible truth of this pressing question, the best thing one can do is practice acceptance. one should approach acceptance to seek relief from suffering, and without expectations of some miraculous cure. We're in this situation regardless of whether we fight it or accept it, so it's best to practice some sort of therapy that will help one enjoy life as much as possible while our bodies heal. And I know first hand that none of what I'm saying is easy to do. I've been dealing with this for 22 months!
 
Hey guys and gals!

My journey has been a tough ride, and even tho my symptoms are better overall its left me with a major depression and in a way i've become manic in regards to finding a way to get better from it all.
Im stuck with chronic 24/7 Derealization, havent had to deal with depersonalization a lot, and today marks the month 6.
I havent taken any meds yet more then benzo about 1 time/week when its been unbarable. Im now strongly thinking about going on an SSRI to try to get rid of the depression.
My depression stems from the derealization since its there all the time and makes me feel like utter crap. Has anyone recoverd from dp/dr MDMA induced?
I do go to work 50% but theres no enjoyment whatsoever. Ive also seen a therapist 35 times with no relief in anything. He also got pissed at me for contacting a psychiatrist.
I feel so stuck as if im on a boat in the middle of nowhere and no land in sight. I really dont know what to do. Im scared shitless of taking SSRI's or anything similar.
In one hand my dr and the bucket of symptoms i have are better compared to 6 months ago when it all started, making them worse with SSRI is not something id like.
But living in a constant major depression aint livable either, zero quality of life.

Dear members of BL what do you think. I know im grabbing for straws but thas all i can right now. I hope you guys are doing better! Much love/understanding/hope/prayer to you all!

I have reached out to family and friends but nothing seems to help. I appreciate any reply. Wish i didnt have to survive one day at a time like it is now.
 
@inzania

Well go on meds if you think you can put up with side effects and that they may help.

However, don't be blind to the whole "depression = SSRI" thing. Test your endocrine system first. Then find a knowledgable psychiatrist who knows more meds than just ssris that can help, eg--wellbutrin, neurontin, lyrica, etc. A good dr will know best what is warranted and an even better dr will have seen these LTCs before in practice
 
Hey guys and gals!

My journey has been a tough ride, and even tho my symptoms are better overall its left me with a major depression and in a way i've become manic in regards to finding a way to get better from it all.
Im stuck with chronic 24/7 Derealization, havent had to deal with depersonalization a lot, and today marks the month 6.
I havent taken any meds yet more then benzo about 1 time/week when its been unbarable. Im now strongly thinking about going on an SSRI to try to get rid of the depression.
My depression stems from the derealization since its there all the time and makes me feel like utter crap. Has anyone recoverd from dp/dr MDMA induced?
I do go to work 50% but theres no enjoyment whatsoever. Ive also seen a therapist 35 times with no relief in anything. He also got pissed at me for contacting a psychiatrist.
I feel so stuck as if im on a boat in the middle of nowhere and no land in sight. I really dont know what to do. Im scared shitless of taking SSRI's or anything similar.
In one hand my dr and the bucket of symptoms i have are better compared to 6 months ago when it all started, making them worse with SSRI is not something id like.
But living in a constant major depression aint livable either, zero quality of life.

Dear members of BL what do you think. I know im grabbing for straws but thas all i can right now. I hope you guys are doing better! Much love/understanding/hope/prayer to you all!

I have reached out to family and friends but nothing seems to help. I appreciate any reply. Wish i didnt have to survive one day at a time like it is now.

A quick foreword: I have copied and pasted some of this post from files saved on my PC in order to save me some time. Just letting it be known since I've made use of them in the past as well (again, due to time constraints).


After a very stressful few months at a new position where I was working at the time, interspersed with an almost-equally stress-filled time at home unable to sleep and/or dealing with family issues which some would consider petty, I suddenly came down with about ~20 'LTC' symptoms in early June 2005 after I had regrettably decided to consume some untested ecstasy pills during time off from my responsibilities.

Based on a streamlined journal I decided to keep in order to track my progress, if any, the ~20 aforementioned symptoms were as follows:

- chronic cognitive impairment (or brain fog)
- chronic uncomfortable awareness of heartbeat throughout entire body (especially when sitting or laying down)
- chronic depersonalization (felt as if my body wasn't my own)
- chronic derealization (a noticeable alteration in the perception of the world around me)
- feeling of heaviness when standing (it always got temporarily worse whenever I'd be doing aerobic and/or resistance exercises)
- frequent numbness and tingling sensations (almost always in my hands and feet)
- sudden (but occasional and very short lasting) vertigo (very severe, but would last only a second or two at most)
- chronic difficulty concentrating/focusing
- chronic low energy & easily fatigued upon physical exertion (perhaps due to adrenal fatigue, but not sure)
- chronic headache (it would frequently alternate from the back of my head to my forehead, and sometimes behind my eyes)
- frequent vivid dreams (frequently disturbing due to vividness)
- chronic depression (due to the circumstances which I found myself in)
- chronic anxiety (I was already suffering from severe anxiety far before this happened)
- frequent (very severe) panic attacks (I was experiencing panic attacks far before this happened, but less intense)
- chronic paranoia (began to think irrational thoughts about my LTC being the result of a curse)
- chronic insomnia (was suffering from infrequent, occasional bouts of insomnia far before this happened, but it was never chronic)
- chronic shortness of breath (was suffering from this far beforehand, but wasn't chronic until the LTC - anxiety related)
- frequent mood swings (heavily influenced by anxiety/panic issues + the LTC)
- frequent (almost chronic) tinnitus (to this day, I have no solid idea why I was experiencing this symptom, but perhaps it could have been due to hypertension due to stress/anxiety/paranoia)
- chronic digestion issues (irritable bowel, colitis, nausea - again, not sure why I was experiencing this - perhaps because there are serotonin receptors in and around the gut?)

For the first ~6 months, I attempted to deal with my 'LTC' without the use of any medications, but rather, by way of fundamentally changing my lifestyle to one which exemplifies a yearning for short and long term health.

Every morning, I did my best to start the day with at least 20 minutes or more of aerobic exercise - usually in the form of jogging and/or elliptical training. This was followed up with a protein-rich, carbohydrate-moderate, fat-poor (especially saturated and trans saturated fats) diet which emphasized home-made foods low on preservatives and processing. Anything fried was avoided, and baked/boiled/grilled was not. Vegetables were eaten raw instead of cooked, and sweeter fruits such as grapes were consumed in moderation. I drank at least 2L of charcoal-filtered (purified) water daily, rarely resorted to fruit juice, and never touched sodas, but enough about that.

The point is that nothing what I did made a significant difference. My symptoms were still affecting me, and, just as severe as day 1. So I finally gave in to the recommendations of my family physician, and I saw a psychiatrist.

After a brief period of a 'trial and error,' in which I quickly went on and off of three different SSRIs because I couldn't tolerate the side effects, I finally was able to stick with the 4th one on the list, known as Zoloft (Sertraline). A Benzodiazepine known as Xanax (Alprazolam) was also prescribed in combination with the Zoloft (Sertraline) in order to help me deal with the side effects of the SSRI, and to aid me in quickly relieving these absolutely massive panic attacks I was experiencing as well as the related anxiety/fear/paranoia/nervousness/etc.

Although it took ~3 months before I noted in my journal that I could clearly feel a - non-placebo effect - decrease in the severity of my symptoms, the continual daily use of 100mg of Zoloft (Sertraline) for ~8 months in total (first 2 weeks of treatment = 50mg OD, followed afterwards by 100mg OD) somehow successfully eliminated all of the above symptoms for good - with the exception of:

- chronic low energy & easily fatigued upon physical exertion (perhaps due to adrenal fatigue, but not sure)
- chronic difficulty concentrating/focusing

So in order to eliminate the last two symptoms, I switched to a different antidepressant which inhibits the reuptake of Dopamine and Norepinephrine instead of Serotonin. The name of this antidepressant is Wellbutrin XL (Bupropion). It is known as a DNRI (Dopamine & Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitor), and the reason why I specifically asked to be switched to it was because I suspected that, since many of the ecstasy pills I had used were known to contain Methamphetamine (AFAIK, a Dopamine receptor agonist and neurotoxin), I hypothesized that this was the best chance to rid myself completely of all symptoms.

After ~4 months total on Wellbutrin XL (Bupropion) 300mg OD (Once Daily) + the Xanax (Alprazolam), which I had - at my prescribing doctor's behest - remained on for a few reasons such as dependency, side effects from Wellbutrin XL (Bupropion) such as seizures, and a coincidental revelation that it greatly aided with reducing the incidences of intrusive thoughts which stemmed from childhood physical and sexual abuse, all my symptoms were gone for good.

To make sure that the Xanax (Alprazolam) was not masking anything, I checked several times by stopping it completely for periods of 4 to 8 weeks, and no symptoms returned at all. It should be noted that my doctor was fully aware of this, but understandably became concerned about withdrawal symptoms, and repeatedly told me to get my ass to an ER if I was feeling extremely uncomfortable, as well as to make sure there was someone always around to basically babysit.

Also, just to clear things up, once I switched to the Wellbutrin XL (Bupropion) from Zoloft (Sertraline), I did not remain on both medications. I'm just letting you know just in case because other people have asked me about this.

Other than that, I also made sure to exercise every morning for 20-45min, avoided stressful situations, stopped keeping in touch with bad influences, ate a healthy diet, and avoided using every drug including alcohol, caffeine, and tobacco/nicotine.

To this day, I don't know exactly how or why these medications helped me to recover, but I'm 100% sure I'd still be sick without them.

Unfortunately, I cannot guarantee that they will work for you, as we all respond differently to psychotropic drugs, but you should at least consider talking about it with your psychiatrist.

In total, I was sick for ~19 months with ~20 'LTC' symptoms - including Derealization and Depersonalization - and recovered with the aid of 3 medications, it seems.

You may or may not have to resort to Rx drugs - I'm not sure. Either way, don't give up. I know it's extremely difficult to function because I was once where you are. And God knows I was really close to killing myself because of it. Thankfully, I didn't.

A long time has passed since I was suffering from the aforementioned symptoms; from this so called 'Long Term Comedown,' but I'll never forget about it for as long as I live, of that I'm certain.

I wish you all the best in your recovery. Have a wonderful day :)
 
- chronic cognitive impairment (or brain fog)
- chronic uncomfortable awareness of heartbeat throughout entire body (especially when sitting or laying down)
- chronic depersonalization (felt as if my body wasn't my own)
- chronic derealization (a noticeable alteration in the perception of the world around me)

Hi! thanks for such a great and technical post! You LTC was terrible, and makes mine sound like a walk in the park. I'm really happy that you are recovered, even if it took medication and lots of time!

I have a question regarding this... one of things that I have, and I did not know it might be related to this comedown, is like a dizziness that I sometimes get. I don't feel that I'm going to lose balance, but it's like my head starts spinning around. It lasts a couple of seconds, and then I'm OK. My boyfriend suffers from the same, he's been to doctors, and they can't pinpoint the cause, he's taking some medication now. He consumed MDMA for almost 10 years, without any issues (no LCT). My question is: could this be related? what is the name for this? It's not a headache, is it vertigo? Or how can I call it?
 
After a brief period of a 'trial and error,' in which I quickly went on and off of three different SSRIs because I couldn't tolerate the side effects, I finally was able to stick with the 4th one on the list, known as Zoloft (Sertraline). A Benzodiazepine known as Xanax (Alprazolam) was also prescribed in combination with the Zoloft (Sertraline) in order to help me deal with the side effects of the SSRI, and to aid me in quickly relieving these absolutely massive panic attacks I was experiencing as well as the related anxiety/fear/paranoia/nervousness/etc.

How often were you taking the Xanax?

My case is nearly the same, daily Sertraline (150mg), daily Wellbutrin XL, daily Clonazepam (0.5mg).

The only major issues so far are some emotional blunting, and that the Sertraline causes some erectile dysfunction.
 
Hello everyone, some of you remember me postin earlier. I am happy to tell that most of my symptoms are now gone, the one and only thing that still remains is a slight brain fog. While I got used to it, I still have troubles with "100% thinking capabilities" and my memory is not that good either. But at least now I feel almost like a normal person again. :)

How long have you been fighting?
 
Hi guys, doing my regular check-in. Coming up on 8 months clean.

All that remains (in order of severity):

Visual snow
Some cognitive impairment ('brain fog')
Some dissociation (though I've come leaps and bounds in this area)
Occasional fits of depression/crying fits (maybe every 2 weeks)
Fleeting anxiety/intrusive thoughts (just a few minutes at a time, no panic attacks for months)
Lower energy/general apathy/low sex drive

That's 6 symptoms, out of the original 40 I had when I first fell ill 8 months ago. It gets better.
 
Hi guys, doing my regular check-in. Coming up on 8 months clean.

All that remains (in order of severity):

Visual snow
Some cognitive impairment ('brain fog')
Some dissociation (though I've come leaps and bounds in this area)
Occasional fits of depression/crying fits (maybe every 2 weeks)
Fleeting anxiety/intrusive thoughts (just a few minutes at a time, no panic attacks for months)
Lower energy/general apathy/low sex drive

That's 6 symptoms, out of the original 40 I had when I first fell ill 8 months ago. It gets better.

interesting to see im 2 months behind you and the similarities. Tho i have 99% derealization. Biggest triumph is that the visual snow has lessend a lot during the 6 months.
Had major OCD about having HPPD and stuff. Tho this is not the case. A lot of people who have dp/dr have hypervigilance and see static/floaters etc a lot more.
My worst feeling personally is the hard time i have with time perception, in the sence of past events. In a sence its like a forced living in the moment feeling.
Tho it all fluctuates. Im happy you are doing better hoketus. Its deff a strugle. Combating so many things as once is hard. If i just had derealization that would still be hard enough.
I have tried a lot and for me personally id say L-theanine helps give me a relaxed state when i need to chill.
An interesting thing is that lately i have taken some Aspirin daily and for some reason it clears some of the fog. Enables me to think more broad.
Tho remember that L-theanine + benzo = bad and Aspirin + SSRI = bad. Im not on any meds yet.
Kinda funny how when my depression is high and i cry for help and maby going on meds then my symptoms decrease over time and i dont want meds or anything.
And this loops. Unfortenately because of the situation i have developed close to OCD behaviour and ive been manic for a long time.

I do talk a lot to the owner of DPselfhelp.com so if anyone has any questions regarding symptoms or anything in general im keen to help. Just remember im not a doctor.

Also a big thanks to you guys for your support. Even tho you struggle to! And thx ro4eva.
 
Hi guys, doing my regular check-in. Coming up on 8 months clean.

All that remains (in order of severity):

Visual snow
Some cognitive impairment ('brain fog')
Some dissociation (though I've come leaps and bounds in this area)
Occasional fits of depression/crying fits (maybe every 2 weeks)
Fleeting anxiety/intrusive thoughts (just a few minutes at a time, no panic attacks for months)
Lower energy/general apathy/low sex drive

That's 6 symptoms, out of the original 40 I had when I first fell ill 8 months ago. It gets better.

The bottom three symptoms of yours are what I'm dealing with atm.

You're right, it does get better. I always remind myself of this.

For those of you guys struggling with the noticeable and weird heartbeat, I have one bit of advice that will help you with it almost overnight.

Stop focusing on it. Focus on something else.

Simple as that. At least in theory and obviously, it seems hard. But it is much easier than what you think it is.

You're supposed to have a heart and it's supposed to beat. Anyone, even the most drug free and least anxious person in the world, if they focus on their heartbeat for months and months on end it's going to feel weird, exaggerated and not right.

I read a book on psychiatry when I was on placement the other day. It spoke of the phenomenon where medical students, once they've finished learning about a specific condition, are far more likely to go to the doctors themselves complaining of symptoms of that condition. This is a well known and amusing, often joked about fact in medical circles. It's because they've focused their attention on learning about it, it's symptoms, how to diagnose it. And they come away from lectures with symptoms of it themselves even though they don't have it.

So with my heartbeat, I spent a day focusing on it. Not in an anxious way, I just explored it beating in my stomach, my fingers, sometimes my head. When I was sat down, or lying down, or walking, anything. And it was very prominent and I would begin to notice it even when I was focused on other things.

The next day, I did the opposite. I said to myself "fuck it, it's not important, I'm supposed to have a beating heart and it would be a serious problem if it wasn't beating". And i made myself focus on other things. My breathing, my surroundings, a song I liked, girls I'd like to fuck. Anything.

Lo and behold, I noticed it much less. It seemed to beat less hard. It was less prominent in every way I could think.

I'm not saying I'm cured of this, although "cured" is a word I hesitate to use cause it implies something is wrong. But there's nothing wrong with my heart, and if you're reading this, chances are there's nothing wrong with your heart. The symptoms of heart disease are very distinct, often easy to spot, easy to diagnose, and easy to treat.

I'm currently on a placement with my uni course that's in mental health. The really dark side of mental health. Like these guys are really far gone and it's been immensely eye opening to me to see how their struggles compare to my own. Or rather, how their elephant compares to my fly. And I can promise you now that what you're going through is nothing compared to what I'm seeing on a daily basis. That isn't me disrespecting your suffering by any means, I feel for you. But you have to put things into perspective and you need to chill the fuck out about your symptoms and your life. The moment you do that, you'll start to feel better.

Of course, your body has gone through a rough ride. It's stressed and worn out, so it will take time for you to feel naturally good again.

To put it another way, if I threw you out into the wilderness in the middle of winter and hunted you with guns and dogs, for months on end, would you come back feeling refreshed and healthy?

No. You'd take months to recover. You'd be exhibiting all the symptoms of an LTC, if not more.

Even though you hadn't taken a single drug

I've been shadowing a mental health professional of 30 years experience and I've had the opportunity to pick his brain on a daily basis. Little does he know that a lot of this is due to my own struggles, but it also makes me look like a keen and eager student so it's a win-win situation for me xD

But anyway, this is what I've learnt:

Anxiety is a stress response. If you are suffering from anxiety right now, what you are feeling is nothing different to what someone feels who has a big test tomorrow, is about to go and perform on stage, or has to give a presentation at work.

Anxiety is basically the mind's warning system. It perceives a real or imagined threat which is fuelled by negative thinking.

In our cases, that thinking goes something along the lines of "I've fucked myself up on drugs and I might not recover". Or something else. You need to spend time really analysing your thoughts, write them down, put them into perspective. And I mean REALLY analyse your thoughts. Even the ones that are hard to catch, what are termed "automatic thoughts". By thoughts, this includes mental images.

You need to adopt a CBT approach.

I HIGHLY recommend to you guys CBT. In fact, everyone on the planet should do CBT. Just google CBT resources and get to work right away. Do as much of it as you can manage. And apply it to your daily life and I promise you you'll start feeling better. CBT is basically stoic philosophy as exemplified by the ancient Greeks adapted for clinical use. It's more effective than any anti-depressant on the planet for anxiety, and equally as effective as anti-depressants for depression. You don't need a therapist to do CBT but it may help. A doctor has told me that self-application of CBT is as effective as therapist-led, provided the person is not so far as to not being able to trust their own judgment anymore. But no one reading this thread is that far gone or else you wouldn't be reading this thread, trust me.

I don't buy this shit that there's anything physically wrong with ANYONE who has ingested MDMA. Not in the long term. How can literally thousands of people on a weekly basis take it year after year after year, and yet there's only a select handful of us on this thread, or lurking in this thread? If MDMA caused people to have an LTC, no one would take MDMA. I'm not suggesting that MDMA is good for you, all I'm saying is that it was the catalyst for the stress response you are now experiencing. For the vast majority of you, MDMA is gone from your system, the damage it caused you is being perpetuated by the stress, nothing more.

Anxiety. Nothing more. Anxiety is just a fancy word for stress, so if you want to de-stress, do it. Make a huge effort to relax and apply the principles of CBT and you'll begin to feel better because you'll be less stressed.
 
I don't buy this shit that there's anything physically wrong with ANYONE who has ingested MDMA. Not in the long term. How can literally thousands of people on a weekly basis take it year after year after year, and yet there's only a select handful of us on this thread, or lurking in this thread? If MDMA caused people to have an LTC, no one would take MDMA. I'm not suggesting that MDMA is good for you, all I'm saying is that it was the catalyst for the stress response you are now experiencing. For the vast majority of you, MDMA is gone from your system, the damage it caused you is being perpetuated by the stress, nothing more.

Anxiety. Nothing more. Anxiety is just a fancy word for stress, so if you want to de-stress, do it. Make a huge effort to relax and apply the principles of CBT and you'll begin to feel better because you'll be less stressed.

Still a lot of MDMA researches claim MDMA does cause damage which will lead to longterm memory and attention problems. Besides during the 90s ecstasy contained less MDMA mostly around 80mg per pill (180mg today). For myself I'm not depressed anymore nor I'm experiencing problems with DR/DP, insomnia, brainzaps etc. I was never good at concentrating but now my concentration level is awful. Luckly my memory is pretty damn good which compensates my lack of concentration a bit.

On the other hand your right about the fact that only a small group of M users are lurking this thread. I hope my lack of concentration is caused by anxiety. I really hope you are right ShortTermExpert.
 
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