Methamphetamine Discussion Thread 3.0

[SixBuckets]

IDK about these people are buying who claim meth (in Australia) is "cheap". Even if you're paying low market rate or buying in bulk, it's certainly not cheaper than a pill for a night.

I mean, dependent users are going to buy it no matter what it costs, but implying that people are choosing meth over other drugs because it's "cheap" is just dumb.

 

[drug_mentor]

Price discussion is not allowed so I edited the price out of your post. If you are unfamiliar with the rules you ought to read the guidelines.

Not that many people are good for the night off a single pill, especially since the pill scene went to shit.

I wouldn't exactly call meth cheap either, but drugs in Australia are generally pretty expensive, so long as the meth is good quality and the person taking it doesn't have a huge tolerance I don't think it works out much more expensive than a lot of drugs.

 

[Crankinit]

^ Yup. Even when you have clean pills, they're often fairly weak. Last time I went out and took pills I ended up going through 7 of them at the standard price. 6 months before that I took 2 and got equally high, and those were the only 2 times I'd taken MDMA in a 4 year period.

Meth tends to be much more consistent in quality. For the same amount of money I spent on those 7 pills I could have bought 3 points of meth and stayed high for a couple days.

But yeah, it does bug me when people (that is, the media usually) talk about meth being a "cheap" drug the way it is in the US, because it definitely isn't.

 

[footscrazy]

How much do you guys put in the pipe at once??

I was never a big fan of putting heaps into the pipe at once. I know many people love doing it that way. I'd usually put one small rock in at a time, maybe .1-.25, something like that.

SixBuckets - from what I understood, the words addiction and dependence have been fairly interchangeable over the years. I had seen a push to change from using the word 'addiction' to 'dependence' because it has less stigma, or something. What is the definition of dependence that you use? And addiction? I'm sure there are formal definitions of these terms, but I feel like whatever they are, they're not consistent or widely agreed upon throughout the population, which leads to confusion with what is actually being said whenever they are used.

When I said that quantifying addiction comes from users' perspective, which you disagreed with - my point is that I don't think frequency of use alone captures the full situation. Someone in hospital being treated with pain killers may have a high frequency of use, however, their situation is very different from a someone who uses heroin to get high, although when broken down they may use the same amount of opioids, with the same regularity. I feel like quantifying the situation with frequencies and amounts alone misses these differences.
I would be interested to hear more about the methodology of the studies you've mentioned and how aspects such as these are included into the data.

 

[canberracrack]

we use straight ones... and angled ones for using / making a bong with.... we put in maybe .05 to .1 at once.... it really just depends on how thick you want your hits, and how much you have to work with.... if your with friends you wanna put a lot in, but also you worry that one of them might burn a fat bowl.... so a medium small bowl works fine.... torch it off, repeat

wait as in half a point to a point? not .05 to.1 i hope lol those swirls would be peasant!! I made an ice bong tonight out of a water bottle and a pipe, had a 0.50 hit all in one go, half a fukkin point had it at 7pm and i have legit been flying since. sucks cos i only have 0.30 left but I'm probably just gonna smoke that normally. fuck i love meth@@!!]] haha been smoking everyday since start of 2013 and I've had 0 negative side effects. i work at a bar and am always so productive when I'm tweaked just sucks working when your a scatter bug lol which I'm gonna have to do tomorrow at 5pm got no more money til tomorrow night but after work it'll be tweak o'clock yo!I could try sleep for a bit and save my last hit before work but ya'll know the lyf of a crackhead aint nobody got time for that !!!@!

 

[realtalkloc]

^ You're my hero

 

[canberracrack]

^^^ call me scatman!!! nanananana SCATMAN!!! its great cos my mates got 2.5 points and he's coming round so looks like ill be nicely toasted for work tomorrow!! haha time to chuck that .3 in the pipe and swirl swirl swirl before he gets here!!! Cracklyf!!!

 

[canberracrack]

^^ on second thought, chuck that lassie in the bong for a quick blast of reality!!@ thats what i like to call it!! brings me back to reality and helps me see the light of day!

Fuck i hate living with housemates i can tell there suspicious about why I'm up so damn late!! cunts are plotting against me i swear!! haha jokes jokes that little green martian on my shoulder told me so!!

 

[canberracrack]

okily dokily crackarinos ned flanders just had that ice billy and he's feelin silly!! haha fuck i love this fried shit. Umm so how did everyone get into the scene?? Friends? Boyfrriends/girlsfriend? Mum/dad pulled out the pipe one day and said you gotta try this shit cunt?? (funny story actually happened to a mate of mine)

I first smoked it in 2010/11 and it was a once in blue moon thing at first i never had the money for it then i finished year 12 and started working and realised how damn productive i could be on it and from middle of 2012 it was pretty much everyday had my breaks here n there but i was still smoking cones and i still loved em so i think thats why. i fucked cones off for new years 2013 and i literally dont think I've been many days without it since maybe like a week or two tops when I've had no dosh or no one to shout up. fuck my dealers a madcunt he does me points for half what they usually go for here and the stuffs always tops.

Canberras friedcity these days every cunt and there dog are on the fukin pipe except the classy cunts but there are all massive coke heads. Well all the cunts i know anyway. My dealer the mad cunt had a fukking half gram in the pipe before and he was blowing out fukkin clouds as big as the ones up inn the sky the cunt was beaming like a gymnast and ranting about how he's gonna try develop this app that tells you if your psychotic or not with his new software!! hahah fuckin funny fucker. he's a wise cunt though he's saying how u just gotta hold yourself to certain standards, and you won't get fried!! he just makes sure he never wigs out on some cunt un.less he's got hard proof of their wrongdoing!! and never try looking for shards on the carpet thats how to be a crackhead 101!! Cunts starting to get a bit loopy but his new idea is that i was a monk from the middle ages in a different life because of how i wear my hair or someshit!! hahahahah spun me out hard but its pretty funny

 

[canberracrack]

on another note i haven't slept in 4 fukin days (betcha cant tell ay) and I'm starting to see cracks on the ice underneath me mate!! haha mates almost here but ill leave ya with one last question: are yous speed skaters or figure skaters!!? hahahah good old matty from the four corners doco the loosest aussie bloke!! haha fuck me did yous see that new four corners ice doco?? the cunt saying he was a cook for the bikies when he was 13 hahahaha what the fuck such a load of bullshit. and the cunt had said that he'd quit, and he was sitting right next to some cunt who was toking and the cunts eyes were like fukkin saucers!! and the doco was saying he was clean??!! i was like holy fuck these cunts are stupid to believe that he's sitting there tweaking off his dick!!

 

[motiv311]

yeah , fat bowls, but I actually prefer snorting and swallowing caps a lot of the time... I'm a singer and smoking that shit fucks with my throats sometimes... all in moderation man... I'm sure you've had some side effects if thats the case.... You gotta understand I've been doing this shit off and on again for ten years, i'm only 28, and it was always good before because I didn't have continuous hook ups... then 2013 came and silk road, and then found a legit cheap hook after that; and I've seen my health diminish a good bit since I've been doing probably most days since 2013... I can't run as far, can't lift as much, energy runs low..... don't get me wrong meth is awesome, but you gotta try to stay clean most of the time in order for it to be any fun and have any magic left. Trust me the worst feeling you can possibly have is all the drugs in the world, and a crushing depression even though you'd expect to be jubliant. Use the stuff for things like art, music, attending concerts, special occasions, and maybe just use way way less if you need a pick-me-up.... amphetamines lead to poly-drug addiction and abnormal drug seeking behaviours. I'm thinking I want to sue shire pharmaceuticals because the adderall they put me on in the 7th grade-onwards reallly fucked me up and caused a lot of abnormal behaviors , especially drug seeking behaviours. . be careful man, that shit really creeps up on you ; and mania is no fun

 

[realtalkloc]

^great post motiv311 , very deep and interesting, as well as some really good advice.

 

[SixBuckets]

I was never a big fan of putting heaps into the pipe at once. I know many people love doing it that way. I'd usually put one small rock in at a time, maybe .1-.25, something like that.

SixBuckets - from what I understood, the words addiction and dependence have been fairly interchangeable over the years. I had seen a push to change from using the word 'addiction' to 'dependence' because it has less stigma, or something. What is the definition of dependence that you use? And addiction? I'm sure there are formal definitions of these terms, but I feel like whatever they are, they're not consistent or widely agreed upon throughout the population, which leads to confusion with what is actually being said whenever they are used.

I'm trying to find a link from a reputable source to back up my definitions, but there's so much propaganda and crap in a search for "addiction".

Basically, in AOD and related spheres (I'm in blood borne virus prevention), there is a distinction between 'addiction', which is the compulsions, feelings and related behaviours associated with habitual drug use, and 'dependence', which refers to the body incorporating a regularly used substance into it's normal functioning (homeostasis) so that the discontinuation of the substance causes minor to severe impairment. You can be addicted to something without being dependent, and dependent on something without developing addictive thought patterns (a lot of people using medications of dependence for their prescribed purpose are the latter). Does that make sense?

When I said that quantifying addiction comes from users' perspective, which you disagreed with - my point is that I don't think frequency of use alone captures the full situation. Someone in hospital being treated with pain killers may have a high frequency of use, however, their situation is very different from a someone who uses heroin to get high, although when broken down they may use the same amount of opioids, with the same regularity. I feel like quantifying the situation with frequencies and amounts alone misses these differences.

Oh, I completely agree. I just don't think we have a better metric of assessing habitual drug use at a population level. The data is mostly useful for telling us how frequently people use drugs - anything else is extrapolation.

I would be interested to hear more about the methodology of the studies you've mentioned and how aspects such as these are included into the data.

The 1 in 10 figure comes from an NDARC paper, which discusses the National Drug Strategy Household Survey. Their figures come from their, and an assessment of hospital presentations, treatment facilities and arrests. http://ndarc.med.unsw.edu.au/resour...and-dependent-methamphetamine-users-australia

The paper discusses the difficulties of applying an assessment model developed to collect data for heroin users when collecting data on methamphetamine users.

 

[SixBuckets]

And sorry, drug_mentor - I'm aware of the no price rule, I just wasn't thinking. Thanks for editing my post.

 

[Christ!]

yeah , fat bowls, but I actually prefer snorting and swallowing caps a lot of the time...

Smoking it is so much fun but for me it means less time doing other fun/productive stuff. I find it hard to put down and go through 2-3x as much. Don't use often these days but snorting is my ROA of choice, takes 30 seconds and then I can move on to something more interesting than twirling. I always put around the same amount as foots in the pipe - more just seems a bit wasteful.

 

[canberracrack]

okay well i just had a fucked up experience on meth. id been awake like 5 days and i was at my dealers house and we were talking n twirling as usual, all was good nothing out of the ordinary, then i could hear his girlfriend in the next room planning out how they were going to dispose of my body once they'd killed me. I listened to her say "fuck it will be hard to cut him up with an axe were gonna need a chainsaw" and i fuckin wigged it lost my shit and ran outside, my dealer ran after me yelling cos he thought id stolen something then he caught me out of the front tackled me and we were wrestling punching etc i had my hands around his throat choking him then she kicked me in the head i was just yelling no bitch you aren't gonna kill me and leave my body at wombeyan caves then i managed to get up, punched the bitch in the face and legged it into my car and drove out of there, then i was driving so fast and still freaking out i ended up crashing into a light pole not head on but i still dont knowhow I'm relatively unhurt, the car was a mess though i just got out and legged it to these shops then i was inside the servo could hear the guy that worked there talking to my dealer on the phone saying he'd keep me there i lost my shit and ran out of there kept running for ages tried to hitchhike on the side of the road was using my phone for directions but i could hear the directions in an indian voice thought the cunt was directing me back to the servo so i smashed it.eventually made it home and was still wigging so fucking hard but i had a mix and a billy there i had a bong and that made it fucking worse for like 20 minutes i was convinced the dealer his missus and the servo guy were all surrounding the house and i was about to get fired on but the billy had brought me back down a little and i ended up crashing out under the bed. woke up and now I'm still tripping balls i had a little rock left about a half point so i smoked it and now I'm gonna have to call my other dude to get more but I'm still tripping so hard about what happened fucking scary experience it was so bazaar i really thought i was that close to dying. in fact I'm still pretty sure that servo guy watched me put my address into my maps on my phone to try and find my way home so that cunt knows where i live I'm holed up in my room with a knife and a bat fuck guys tripping or what what the fuck should i do?

 

[ashstorm]

Do not smoke more!

By your description you're in a state of psychosis.

You need a good feed, fluids and a long sleep.

And you should also see a psych to make sure there's no permanent damage.

 

[poledriver]

okay well i just had a fucked up experience on meth. id been awake like 5 days and i was at my dealers house and we were talking n twirling as usual, all was good nothing out of the ordinary, then i could hear his girlfriend in the next room planning out how they were going to dispose of my body once they'd killed me. I listened to her say "fuck it will be hard to cut him up with an axe were gonna need a chainsaw" and i fuckin wigged it lost my shit and ran outside, my dealer ran after me yelling cos he thought id stolen something then he caught me out of the front tackled me and we were wrestling punching etc i had my hands around his throat choking him then she kicked me in the head i was just yelling no bitch you aren't gonna kill me and leave my body at wombeyan caves then i managed to get up, punched the bitch in the face and legged it into my car and drove out of there, then i was driving so fast and still freaking out i ended up crashing into a light pole not head on but i still dont knowhow I'm relatively unhurt, the car was a mess though i just got out and legged it to these shops then i was inside the servo could hear the guy that worked there talking to my dealer on the phone saying he'd keep me there i lost my shit and ran out of there kept running for ages tried to hitchhike on the side of the road was using my phone for directions but i could hear the directions in an indian voice thought the cunt was directing me back to the servo so i smashed it.eventually made it home and was still wigging so fucking hard but i had a mix and a billy there i had a bong and that made it fucking worse for like 20 minutes i was convinced the dealer his missus and the servo guy were all surrounding the house and i was about to get fired on but the billy had brought me back down a little and i ended up crashing out under the bed. woke up and now I'm still tripping balls i had a little rock left about a half point so i smoked it and now I'm gonna have to call my other dude to get more but I'm still tripping so hard about what happened fucking scary experience it was so bazaar i really thought i was that close to dying. in fact I'm still pretty sure that servo guy watched me put my address into my maps on my phone to try and find my way home so that cunt knows where i live I'm holed up in my room with a knife and a bat fuck guys tripping or what what the fuck should i do?

Try and stay off the meth as long as possible.

 

[psytaco]

okay well i just had a fucked up experience on meth. id been awake like 5 days and i was at my dealers house and we were talking n twirling as usual, all was good nothing out of the ordinary, then i could hear his girlfriend in the next room planning out how they were going to dispose of my body once they'd killed me. I listened to her say "fuck it will be hard to cut him up with an axe were gonna need a chainsaw" and i fuckin wigged it lost my shit and ran outside, my dealer ran after me yelling cos he thought id stolen something then he caught me out of the front tackled me and we were wrestling punching etc i had my hands around his throat choking him then she kicked me in the head i was just yelling no bitch you aren't gonna kill me and leave my body at wombeyan caves then i managed to get up, punched the bitch in the face and legged it into my car and drove out of there, then i was driving so fast and still freaking out i ended up crashing into a light pole not head on but i still dont knowhow I'm relatively unhurt, the car was a mess though i just got out and legged it to these shops then i was inside the servo could hear the guy that worked there talking to my dealer on the phone saying he'd keep me there i lost my shit and ran out of there kept running for ages tried to hitchhike on the side of the road was using my phone for directions but i could hear the directions in an indian voice thought the cunt was directing me back to the servo so i smashed it.eventually made it home and was still wigging so fucking hard but i had a mix and a billy there i had a bong and that made it fucking worse for like 20 minutes i was convinced the dealer his missus and the servo guy were all surrounding the house and i was about to get fired on but the billy had brought me back down a little and i ended up crashing out under the bed. woke up and now I'm still tripping balls i had a little rock left about a half point so i smoked it and now I'm gonna have to call my other dude to get more but I'm still tripping so hard about what happened fucking scary experience it was so bazaar i really thought i was that close to dying. in fact I'm still pretty sure that servo guy watched me put my address into my maps on my phone to try and find my way home so that cunt knows where i live I'm holed up in my room with a knife and a bat fuck guys tripping or what what the fuck should i do?

The last thing you want to be doing at this point is using more meth. You have had a psychotic episode (it all fits, the 5 days awake using, being highly paranoid and suspicious, hearing the dealers girlfriend talking about killing you when she wasn't even in the room, still thinking they sre out to get you).

Has this sort of thing happened to you before? If you have been using most days for several years there is a good chance that you are running the risk of developing regular drug induced psychosis, or even worse, schizophrenia.

I suggest you stop using meth (and weed because that won't help things), eat, drink plenty of water, try and find some sleeping tablets and then sleep for as long as possible. I also think that going and seeing a doctor or psychologist is a good idea - seems you had a pretty serious episode where you attacked someone.

 

[psytaco]

I would say I usually only use meth 6-8 times a year. However, Over the last month I have used a reasonable amount of meth and over this weekend went through half a gram in the space of 24 hours!

There is a lot I don't enjoy about it and I find it to be a pretty fucked drug. Also, I notice some of the symptoms of psychosis set in pretty quickly for me (ie. on the second day) like hearing furniture being moved around in apartment complex when it is not or seeing weird wisps of smoke of things.

I value it for how it can make more very productive when I have a lot of boring administrative tasks that I have to take home with me, it's good for conversation, the rush is good and it is good for sex (if you can get it up).

However, I hate the anxiousness associated with it, the fact it makes me sweat buckets and gives my sweat a putrid ammonia smell to it (a few clothes are unwearable now despite being washed several times), the extended and brutual comedown and the lack of sleep. I had been awake for two days last night and was exhausted and took several sleeping tablets - i slept for 4 hours! I'll probably have to take tomorrow off work. Also, I had this weird thing yesterday where I spent a couple of hours crawling around on the floor search for dropped shards - i think I found two tiny ones and the rest of the things I put in the pipe were random rocks and other various things that have now wrecked my pipe. It seems a lot of the meth experience is just becoming engaged in obsessive compulsive activities for much of the high.

I also find the people you have to deal with to get are way more sketchy than most dealers and are quite happy to overcharge or rip you off.

I want this to be the last time I use it. I don't like much about it except the rush and the productivity it provides, it is expensive, my girlfriend is against me using it and I can feel it having quite a detrimental effect on my mental health. However, I will crave it a lot in a weeks time.

Thoughts? Anyone going through a similiar thing?