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Prayer request **THREAD**

Agree, this is what I have been trying to say about this board, which is supposed to be a spiritual board. Spiritual themes like these are more for sharing than discussion, if someone don't like it they can move on.

There's a bit of a problem with having the philosophy, spiritual and sceptics board as one, the way I see it. That being it's not so much of a spiritual board when it's as full of sceptics ready to tear down everything you say or see it as a goal to try and disprove anything of spiritual or religious orgin because they don't believe in it. Kind of negates the value of a board like that.

Like, if you were to have a powerful experience with prayer or healing, either performed by you or someone else and wanted to tell people about it (for the ones that would be receptive to it) it's more likely the thread would turn into an argument over whether such a thing even exists and the value of organised religion and could easily get closed. I get that it's a discussion board so everyone can express their views but a spiritual/religious board becomes a bit useless when there are just as many who don't believe in it.
 
Basically, I agree... But they don't need to believe to be respectful.
 
Don't think I was targeting you... I actually only read Nina's and the guy before her's post. It just resonated with what I see here sometimes. What I have dealt with. I don't know.

FEA- at first I thought I had argument about you saying it is wrong to ask for divine intervention. I don't know though. This is why I never pray. It doesn't feel right.

Sometimes I feel I am having a conversation with God. That I am always with God, and angels (and demons). Sometimes it is as if God is calling me back. Or letting me know that despite how it seems, it is okay. It is always okay. No matter how angry I get... I understand this on some level. No matter how ready I am to end it, or break sometime, I only break for God. I don't know what I mean exactly by that... Kind of do. But I said it. I doubt a lot, but there is a constant. Maybe faith...

Anyway, Islam has a similar view- or at least what I understand as Islam. It has a similar view to what you say. That we shouldn't pray for others, or ourselves. I think it may be misunderstood... Even by many of the most devoted followers (perhaps especially sometimes due to their influence?). Perhaps it is a prayer of praise of God. All praise be to God. Praise God. To have optimism (joy). I don't know. My words definitely fall short.

Sometimes I feel like I am always in prayer. Like there is always-often a meditative program. Reflection. I think prayer/communion can be active thought. Interaction.

My words... But I understand what you mean, FEA, I think.

I don't mean to feed the criticism of prayer. Maybe we should start a thread more in the focus of analysis, and let this thread be as it was intended. I don't know quite how to start the other thread, though.

But for now I will praise God. God... Is. God is Great. Thank you God. You are good, God. I love you, God.
 
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I'm trying to hold back on arguing as I've seen a lot of stuff worth responding to but ill keep this on subject. Although this is a five year old thread I would like you to know I'm THINKING of your wife and hope she is sober or at least on her way to sobriety. My good vibes go out to you and her.
 
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Sometimes it is as if God is calling me back. Or letting me know that despite how it seems, it is okay. It is always okay. No matter how angry I get... I understand this on some level. No matter how ready I am to end it, or break sometime, I only break for God. I don't know what I mean exactly by that... .
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What I've found when I've been able to genuinly make contact with God (which is still hard for me to do and more like a privilige when it happens) is that he doesn't oppose himself on you. So it's like it's totally voluntary. It's like you can feel his presence there and know there's an opportunity to connect but the choice is completely upto you.

I think part of this is that God (in his wisdom) knows that forcing us to do anything is a waste of time. Anything has to be voluntary or your heart won't be in it and we're just going to go back to our old ways. That's true with anything in life so I think he just waits for us to find the will to grow and change for the better. But there's definitely the feeling that you're totally free to choose to approach or not.
 
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Ninae said:
Agree, this is what I have been trying to say about this board, which is supposed to be a spiritual board. Spiritual themes like these are more for sharing than discussion, if someone don't like it they can move on.
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bluelight is a community based around discussion and any post implicitly requests a response. as long as posts are civil and respectful, it's perfectly valid to respond to a request for prayer with a post that questions whether prayer is of any value at all.

respectful opinions which challenge our beliefs should be encouraged and embraced. sadly, in the spiritual - and moreso in the (organised) religious realm - the currency is faith which requires one to believe where there's no proof. it's often the case with 'believers' that a simple difference of opinion, or a challenging question, is seen as an attack.

it makes me wonder how powerful a spiritual or religious force (for want of a better word) can be if simply questioning it poses some kind of threat to it and/or its believers?

alasdair
 
It doesn't pose any threat to its believers, but if everytime someone shares a personal experience it's shot down by the majority it can be discouraging, so people might choose to keep to themselves what could have been inspirering to others. And it can take courage to begin with. Many are scared of being laughed at.
 
alasdairm said:
bluelight is a community based around discussion and any post implicitly requests a response. as long as posts are civil and respectful, it's perfectly valid to respond to a request for prayer with a post that questions whether prayer is of any value at all.

respectful opinions which challenge our beliefs should be encouraged and embraced. sadly, in the spiritual - and moreso in the (organised) religious realm - the currency is faith which requires one to believe where there's no proof. it's often the case with 'believers' that a simple difference of opinion, or a challenging question, is seen as an attack.

it makes me wonder how powerful a spiritual or religious force (for want of a better word) can be if simply questioning it poses some kind of threat to it and/or its believers?

alasdair
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This!
 
Ninae said:
It doesn't pose any threat to its believers, but if everytime someone shares a personal experience it's shot down by the majority it can be discouraging, so people might choose to keep to themselves what could have been inspirering to others. And it can take courage to begin with. Many are scared of being laughed at.
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maybe there's a lesson here?

first, if you just want to share a personal experience and only hear opinions which agree with you and positive feedback, a blog is a better place for that content, rather than a public discussion forum the focus of which would be considered by most to be pretty controversial

that said, when you post (one posts) and you get answers which you don't like or which make you uncomfortable, imagine that the universe is inviting you to learn how not to take things so personally?

:)

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
maybe there's a lesson here?

first, if you just want to share a personal experience and only hear opinions which agree with you and positive feedback, a blog is a better place for that content, rather than a public discussion forum the focus of which would be considered by most to be pretty controversial

that said, when you post (one posts) and you get answers which you don't like or which make you uncomfortable, imagine that the universe is inviting you to learn how not to take things so personally?

:)

alasdair
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I didn't say it makes me feel uncomfortable. For some reason people assume it does. I just don't think saying something that people disagree with needs so much comment, it's nothing that anyone wants to read and that's what I was trying to avoid.

My point, which no one seems to get, is that on a spiritual board sometimes when discussing topics like spiritual development it can be done better between two parts who both believe in what they're talking about and can share insights and experiences. That is a completely different discussion that believers and non-believers arguing with each other where you just argue about whether something is true or not, and I think it suits spiritual themes more. At least there should be room for that some of the time and someone should be allowed to say when that is what they had in mind.

But I guess people just aren't in the mood for that and prefer their combative discussions even if it's limited what you can learn from them (because it's all about winning and who's right, see?)
 
Prayers your way ;)

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Its been a while since Ive wrote on this board some of you know who I am some dont.

I was sitting here trying to think of some thread I could open up that might be of some help to others. I know alot you guys in here arnt beleivers in Jesus or Christianity but for those of you who are in need of prayer please write in your prayer requests. I will check this thread daily and pray for each one of you as needed. And if theres something that you dont written out int he open just message me.

I guess Ill start:

My wife relapsed about 2 months ago, she was doing good, but relapsed again. She said shes going back into treatment tomarrow Monday, but I need you all to please pray for me and her, that we can rebuild our relationship and gain trust back.

Thanks guys
Sean
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crazy shit... i just happened to click on this thread that i posted on a long time ago because i initially just wanted to post something but i realized that the last thing i posted on this thread was me responding to a person asking me "how do you know it was god? can you prove it?" and i responded "just the way things happened"

That was exactly a year ago... april 18 of last year was when i last posted on this thread... and i just happened to decide to post something on this thread today... just thought it was interesting seeing as how this thread relates to God and religion... anyways

On to my actual post

im going through a real hard time in my life right now... i have hurt someone that i love and i feel really crappy about it... i feel ashamed, embarrased, and full of regret... i feel like i dont deserve to live... i feel like the world would be a better place without me... i dont know how i feel sometimes... sometimes i feel like im trying to block out certain things in my mind because i am afraid of what ill discover about myself... and i know that i will have to confess it to the person that i hurt... please pray for that person that im talking about... i know im not providing a lot of detail but please... pray for her... pray for her to be happy... pray for her to understand why i did the things that i did... pray for her...

I send out my prayers to ANYONE who happens to feel the same way i feel right now or similar to what im feeling... i hope that we all find happiness... ima pray for everyone to have the strength to become the best version of themselves and to get rid of any bad habits or anything thats affecting their lives and their loved ones... ima pray for every one of you to someday make your dreams into reality and acheive your goals in life...

Im praying to anyone who needs it... and to the people who dont believe in prayer, i wish you guys the best as well...

im a terrible person but i try my best to be kind... i feel like i cant live with the guilt sometimes... of doing the stuff that ive done... she didnt deserve that... i wish i can take it all back... i wish you all the best... to anyone one who may feel similar... youre not alone...

i pray for all of you to make good decisions and to be honest and respectful of other peoples feelings because i realize now more than ever how important those three things really are when it comes to being happy and living a better life. Had i just done that from the beginning i wouldnt be feeling like this...

i pray for all of you! stay strong... EVERYONE
 
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