Methamphetamine Discussion Thread 3.0

[ld50 vs ssri]

Love heart pipe lol

Methamphetamine

 

[ld50 vs ssri]

I am wondering if it is possible to use it in a balanced way. I aim to use it once a week, and my friend, who provided it to me, refuses to sell me any and will only let me smoke some once a week. Are there other people who have managed to maintain a good, long-term balance with meth? I have heard lots of horror stories, and I am interested in knowing if there are more people like my friend, or even better, like what I am imagining for myself - occasional use without serious addiction.

Yeah for sure, It is possible to use it in a balanced way, i have been using Methamphetamine in a balanced way for the last 3 years, I learnt to use it in a balanced manner due to going overboard on it for many years prior to respecting meth alot more. You learn to respect Methamphetamine much more after you abuse it for so long you learn where to draw the line and what the limits are of a balanced habbit schedule are.

I administer Methamphetamine via smoking route only these days so i will vouch for what its like to balance a Meth habbit via that route. I set rules for myself and sometimes those rules are broken and when you break them you know exactly where you have gone wrong because the limits you put in place to consume weight wise only become more obvious why you set them in the first place. Now when i talk weight i mean how much you choose to smoke and how often. Ive found on most of the meth that circulates Australia that you have paid decent ammounts of money for to have enough purity for 2.5 points to get you 2 days value with the next night of sleep. I set the limit to once a fortnight session and i found this to be a great way of using the other week before the next time you score to eat well sleep well and maintain a healthy day to day schedule.

One of the traps with weekly use is you buy a weight you desire you smoke it then you come down depending on the weight you administered lets say for examples sake you buy a gram a week and you are a heavy user, it's going to take you the rest of the week to recover with you feeling the symptoms of meth use all week only to come good the day you purchase it again the next week later, while that is a great feeling the downside is you become really tollerant to Methamphetamine rather quickly leaving you to need more to get high busting the budget each week and not to mention the fun out of using Methamphetamine diminishing through weekly + use.

So yeah once a fortnight for use with no more than half a gram purchased and administered is a great way to do it you look forward to it more and recovery is a breeze you spend the second week waiting to score again on an excited high just knowing that the time to score the week later is drawing near.

Recomendations:

1 point - for one days value with sleep 24 hours later if you are lucky and the meth is clean, a good dose to use if you dont want to go overboard and wish to get things like study and cleaning done. I said weekly use is not acceptable if you want to respect the drug and use it in a balanced way but you could probably let yourself of if you just wanted to smoke a point of meth every week. Sleep is the biggest key to maintaining a balanced healthy attitude in the coming days after you use and is responsible for either making or breaking your high. I find Meth or no Meth, anyone who stays away for 3 days + is going to be a wreck, so its unfair on Meth users to be ridiculed by societys norm for example lets say an insomniac who doesnt use drugs but is qucik to formulate an opinion on a Meth user who has been awake for a long time. You could bet your bottom dollar the Meth user did not judge the insomniac.

2.5 points for a solid day stint with sleep 48 hours later, you could turn this into 4 days with 2.5 points however its dangerous on the sleeping patterns. Remember to eat food and post load with vitamins and vegtables raw if you can when you are recovering.

5 points gets me 3 days with sleep at the 72 hour mark, there is a downside with doing 3 days awake, the day after you sleep and wake up you feel somewhat threshold high again as an afterglow type effect then the next 3 days + depending on the cleanliness of the Methamphetamine and the precautions you take health wise when coming down you feel lethargic, drained, sleepy, disinterested and disorganized. A great time to watch documentaries or insert your favourite comedown activity here.


I'm starting to ramble abit sory because im under the clutch of some nice rocks currently lol but in all fairness i will now shutup and hope that i have given you a little insight into what i have found about balancing the use of Methamphetamine and maintaining a positive attitude as a Meth user with all the stigma attached telling us its not possible to be a respectable Meth user.

Peace and good day to you all

 

[slimvictor]

Thanks to LD50 and Crankit for your perspectives and knowledge on the topic of balanced meth use.
I probably should have mentioned that I use a very small amount - just one large hit (smoked) lasts me all day, and when I said "once a week" I was talking about taking one hit and feeling good all day, and sometimes - a heavy week - taking another single (large) hit that night, and staying up 24 hours. No more than that. I am a lightweight, and hope to keep it that way.

LD50: I don't understand how much "1 point" is. Can you tell me in grams?

I actually have never bought meth - my friend gives me some when I want it, and says that I use so little that it doesn't matter to him.
Even better, if I ask him for some 2 days in a row, he refuses (with a kind laugh), so he will help prevent me from getting addicted, I think. He also refuses to sell me any, so I am probably pretty safe.

Crankit, what you said about the "losing the magic" like with MDMA struck a chord with me. My first time was my best drug experience ever, I would say (and this is saying a lot, since I obviously love drugs, being a mod here on BL and all). But later experiences were just "good" (or "fun", or "very fun"), not so amazing. And, yes, my first time was a lot like MDMA, except that it lasted 3 times as long (which I liked).

Again, thanks for your feedback. Looking forward to hearing more ideas/stories/perspectives on the possibility of balanced meth use.

 

[Abject]

A point is .1g (or 100mg, which is the standard unit of weight when dealing with meth)
I mean u can obviously get a half weight or even ounces but points are standard

 

[ld50 vs ssri]

Thanks to LD50 and Crankit for your perspectives and knowledge on the topic of balanced meth use.
I probably should have mentioned that I use a very small amount - just one large hit (smoked) lasts me all day, and when I said "once a week" I was talking about taking one hit and feeling good all day, and sometimes - a heavy week - taking another single (large) hit that night, and staying up 24 hours. No more than that. I am a lightweight, and hope to keep it that way.

LD50: I don't understand how much "1 point" is. Can you tell me in grams?

I actually have never bought meth - my friend gives me some when I want it, and says that I use so little that it doesn't matter to him.
Even better, if I ask him for some 2 days in a row, he refuses (with a kind laugh), so he will help prevent me from getting addicted, I think. He also refuses to sell me any, so I am probably pretty safe.

Crankit, what you said about the "losing the magic" like with MDMA struck a chord with me. My first time was my best drug experience ever, I would say (and this is saying a lot, since I obviously love drugs, being a mod here on BL and all). But later experiences were just "good" (or "fun", or "very fun"), not so amazing. And, yes, my first time was a lot like MDMA, except that it lasted 3 times as long (which I liked).

Again, thanks for your feedback. Looking forward to hearing more ideas/stories/perspectives on the possibility of balanced meth use.

Pleasure, glad i could be of assistance with a topic i feel strongly about

1 point ='s 0.1 of a gram so 1/10th of a gram with 10 points making up a gram in total

in relation to crankits comments and your experience with MDMA i would have to say i have abused it done and dusted, was such a good drug when used in moderation and doses of 100 - 120mg, now i take 500mg doses and all i get is a bit of close your eyes without any loved up feelings its just borederline munted just passing a threshold experienced not even enough to worth taking it anymore. Oh well, You could now look to Meth as an alternative to MDMA, oops no i didn't just suggest that Meth's actually a great drug, i hold a healthy diet, im a healthy weight, skin is clear as day and you can't even tell i use it fortnightly. It's the governement campaigns and stigmas attached too Class A drugs that everyone seems to adhere to and believes. We need people to speak about how they used to hate Meth users not having ever used the drugs themselves then later turned to using Meth who have a positive experience in which the stigma they bought into no longer applies as the once judgemental user can no see clearly having adapted to the conditions and environment of using meth in a balanced way. We need people like that to have a say. Fuck stigmas shit me!

Peace

 

[slimvictor]

We need people to speak about how they used to hate Meth users not having ever used the drugs themselves then later turned to using Meth who have a positive experience in which the stigma they bought into no longer applies as the once judgemental user can no see clearly having adapted to the conditions and environment of using meth in a balanced way. We need people like that to have a say.

Well, that is pretty much me.
I never hated meth users, but I definitely believed in (some of) the myths associated with meth.
And I am a drug lover, as well as an avid reader on drugs, with (imo) a pretty open mind!
So I feel certain that regular people must believe the meth myths as much or more than I did.
Even trying meth was a huge jump for me - I only did it because I was brave - and I was really surprised how wonderful it was.
Hopefully, I will be able to change some other people's minds about meth.
(Not trying to get them to take it or love it, just trying to remind them that it is simply a drug, and not somehow "evil".)

 

[BongoBongo]

I am looking for stories of balanced meth use.

I recently got the chance to try meth for the first time, and to my great surprise, I enjoyed it. A lot.
I had never liked stimulants before, and had also fallen for the anti-meth bias that says that the drug hurts people, only...
When I found it was like LSD without the hallucinations, with everyone laughing, incredible emotional openness, euphoria... I changed my mind quickly.

So, I am wondering if it is possible to use it in a balanced way. I aim to use it once a week, and my friend, who provided it to me, refuses to sell me any and will only let me smoke some once a week.

My friend has been addicted to meth for 20 years, he says, but doesn't binge and always sleeps at night and so shows no (visible) negative effects. He has not missed work in that time (but is always high at work, I guess).

Are there other people who have managed to maintain a good, long-term balance with meth? I have heard lots of horror stories, and I am interested in knowing if there are more people like my friend, or even better, like what I am imagining for myself - occasional use without serious addiction.

I tried some amazing quality imported meth back in the 90's. Clean, euphoric and happy. Back then we snorted it, as it was rare and smoking paraphernalia was unknown.

It was, initially, very similar to MDMA.

Back then I also read an article that was written by an American doctor or LEO who warned Australia about the ice storm that was going to hit Australia. The article was soon forgotten and 25 years later here we are.....if you believe the current press.

(The increased awareness now of ice will only entice more to try it)

Perhaps these days the meth was not of the purity of what I had originally tried, but I shall occasionally try it four or five times a year. I only snort it and make sure that I have some good quality sleeping pills to bring forth sleep when I need it.

I've seen a number of good friends partake of so much meth, that it's taken over their lifestyle. A couple have gone to rehab and have popped out successfully the other end.

I can not stress enough, the need to use meth sparingly.

Sparingly is fun, it's different and it's manageable (in my case). Too much and I don't sleep and basically I feel shit. We need sleep, we need REM.

But these days, the responsibilities of mortgage, family and work make sure that my rare occasional use remains just that................................rare and occasional.

 

[footscrazy]

Looking forward to hearing more ideas/stories/perspectives on the possibility of balanced meth use.

I think balanced/recreational meth use is definitely possible. I know many people who have used it and most of them were able to keep it recreational and occasional. There is a huge amount of media hype surrounding meth, and a lot of it is just the media doing what it does, scaremongering for a story. There is truth to it too, though.

I think your posts perfectly illustrate the insidious danger of meth:

Even trying meth was a huge jump for me - I only did it because I was brave - and I was really surprised how wonderful it was.
Hopefully, I will be able to change some other people's minds about meth.
(Not trying to get them to take it or love it, just trying to remind them that it is simply a drug, and not somehow "evil".)

I think this is why it's so dangerous. I think at first use it can be underwhelming in a sense - it's not usually the overwhelming, addictive force that one could easily be led to believe it would be. It just feels like you, but better - you on your best day. I think crankinit's post is spot on - you really can't hold anyone up as a purely recreational or functional user until they've lived their lives out. Because it's so insidious, you can be managing fine for years, until somehow it grabs you and you realise you're in much, much deeper than you ever thought you were. That's what it's so good at - making you think you have it under control for far longer than you actually do. I haven't experienced anything else which has even close to the psychological addictiveness that methamphetamine has.

I don't think it's always the demon drug it's portrayed to be, but the fucked up stories you hear about it can and do happen, and I don't think going down that route or not is something you can always choose, or stop, or even realise is happening until too late. Personally, I was able to use it fairly recreationally for years but I did eventually become dependent. It's really hard to adequately convey just how much of a grip that drug can get on you. Even now I haven't used for nearly 5 years, thinking about it can still make me sweat and my heart race.

I actually have never bought meth - my friend gives me some when I want it, and says that I use so little that it doesn't matter to him.
Even better, if I ask him for some 2 days in a row, he refuses (with a kind laugh), so he will help prevent me from getting addicted, I think. He also refuses to sell me any, so I am probably pretty safe.

Just do remember that this really won't keep you safe. Whether or not you use will ultimately only come down to you, and if you want it, you'll find it.

 

[smokedup]

I love how ppl have taken the tag of you but better. Sums up meth tbh

 

[SixBuckets]

I know a fair few people who have had problems with meth, but pretty much all of them (maybe actually all of them?) are people who have used for a bit, found their use getting out of hand, then stopped because they didn't want to fuck up their lives. Sure, some of them now can't be around it at all because they don't trust themselves not to use it, but I don't think I know anyone who's ended up homeless, or stealing things to pay for a habit, or involuntarily committed. Can't say the same for other drugs.

 

[oldirtybizza]

So, I am wondering if it is possible to use it in a balanced way. I aim to use it once a week,

Good luck with that, I'd say that's too much given that the MDMA like qualities you describe would fade with that level of use , if you could keep it at that.

I know many folks who were and some still are caught up from the weekend sessions turning into daily habits. I'd say a handful of times a year is manageable, anything more regular becomes extremely hard to moderate.

It's definitely over hyped and over vilified, so when people try it for themselves they are surprised that it's not this crazy, violent substance. Still it's addictiveness is no joke and it has a unique insidious way of permeating peoples lives.

 

[Crankinit]

I don't think it's always the demon drug it's portrayed to be, but the fucked up stories you hear about it can and do happen, and I don't think going down that route or not is something you can always choose, or stop, or even realise is happening until too late.

That sums it up pretty well. I may have slightly overstated my case because I'm bummed out about seeing a couple friends go really deep down that particular rabbit hole lately.

So yeah, there are people who manage to use it recreationally (or have so far, it's kind of hard to say until someone does a lifelong study on methamphetamine users), but the people who end up going off the deep end aren't making a conscious choice, nobody decides that drug addiction is a great lifestyle choice. They just don't realize the drug has them in it's grasp until after the fact. More or less every single addict has said "I have self control, I'm not going to become addicted to this drug" at some stage. But they still end up addicted. Self control doesn't come into it, it's things you can't control, neurochemical and psychological makeup, socio-economic background, the path your life goes through while you're around the drug, that determine whether you end up sucked in or not. And often the whole idea of "I have strong willpower I can control this" backfires, because it can be used to justify stepping things up another notch "yeah I've been snorting it once a month for 6 months and I'm not a homeless psychotic tweaker, so obviously I've got this under control and can handle snorting it twice a month, or smoking it."

I also think, although I don't have the stats to back it up, that people who manage to use it regularly without experiencing some sort of problem tend to be the people who don't actively seek it in the first place and aren't huge fans of stimulants (or whatever category of drug, this principle goes across the board). People who'll accept it if it's offered, but only enjoy the benefits just enough to offset the immediate downsides and so never seek it out. The moment it's something you're actively looking for or putting yourself in situations where you know you can get it or will be offered it, you're probably someone who's at a substantially higher risk of addiction.

I used to hang out on a board for opiate users, and we'd constantly get posts from people saying "I'm curious about heroin/[insert powerful opiate] and wanna get some for the first time and try it, am I gonna end up addicted/how do I stop myself getting addicted?" The fact that you're going out of your way to find this drug means you're already along that road, imo. Addictions do happen by pure accident anyway (prescriptions to benzos/opiates without any warning of the addictive potential, people who get offered a line at a party and don't really know what they're using, a lot of alcoholics and smokers, etc), but if you see the appeal of the drug without having ever tried it, or you try it the first time and you're already planning out how you're gonna use more and how frequently and how you'll prevent yourself from getting addicted, then you're probably not a great candidate for occasional, recreational use in the first place. The people who don't end up addicted are often the ones who don't enjoy the drug much when they try it the first time, who have some specific side effect they get which turns them off it eventually or who have limited access (although that's not really a factor in this day and age, like Foots said, if you want the drug, you'll find it, especially one as prevalent as methamphetamine). If you have to put together a plan to avoid addiction right from the word go, you're probably better off just sitting that one out.

So I guess what I'm saying is that the important question isn't "can I use this drug without getting addicted?" or "have other people used this drug without getting addicted?" but "is the high from this drug so great that it's worth the random chance I'll wake up one day and realize I can't stop using it?"

 

[OND43X]

Personally I don't think there is any such thing as 'balanced meth use' .

No body starts off taking any drug and from the get go comsuming copious amounts where it's affecting their life straight away.

To me there's basically 3 stages to meth destruction.

The first stage is the full social use. The user (either new or experienced) consumes meth in a social setting or with other people.

This person is open (to those who need to know of course) about others knowing their meth consumption, this person does not feel the urge/feel a need to lie about how much meth they have used etc. This person uses meth when in a social setting.

The second stage is the meth creeping into private use. The person uses meth socially but now enjoys to use at home/alone too. The user feels the need to hide some of their usage to others for various reasons.

The third stage is meth use increasing more away from social scenes and more by oneself/alone. that is the beginning of a very dangerous cycle, the more you use alone the more you feel you can lie or hide your useage, the more you use alone the more you feel meth satisfies you and the less you feel the need to socialise, the more you use alone the more your paranoia and awkwardness towards others and social settings increases, and the list goes on.

I think every meth user is on their path to full on addiction, it's just some peoples path takes less time than others...



My 2 cents

 

[SixBuckets]

Personally I don't think there is any such thing as 'balanced meth use' .

No body starts off taking any drug and from the get go comsuming copious amounts where it's affecting their life straight away.

To me there's basically 3 stages to meth destruction.

The first stage is the full social use. The user (either new or experienced) consumes meth in a social setting or with other people.

This person is open (to those who need to know of course) about others knowing their meth consumption, this person does not feel the urge/feel a need to lie about how much meth they have used etc. This person uses meth when in a social setting.

The second stage is the meth creeping into private use. The person uses meth socially but now enjoys to use at home/alone too. The user feels the need to hide some of their usage to others for various reasons.

The third stage is meth use increasing more away from social scenes and more by oneself/alone. that is the beginning of a very dangerous cycle, the more you use alone the more you feel you can lie or hide your useage, the more you use alone the more you feel meth satisfies you and the less you feel the need to socialise, the more you use alone the more your paranoia and awkwardness towards others and social settings increases, and the list goes on.

I think every meth user is on their path to full on addiction, it's just some peoples path takes less time than others...



My 2 cents

Data from several sources, including the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre, says that for every 100 people who try methamphetamine, around 10 - 12% will go on to use more than monthly. I've also seen some recent figures saying that out of current methamphetamine users, around 25% use regularly enough to be dependent, but I haven't tracked down the methodology of that one.

The substance is estimated to be around half as addictive as heroin (based on percentage of users who become dependent) and it's considered to be the fourth most addictive commonly used substance.

 

[Crankinit]

^ Not to disagree with your point entirely, but there's a very important distinction between "someone who tries methamphetamine" and a "methamphetamine user." If someone offers you a line at a party, you snort it without thinking because you're intoxicated, then they tell you it's meth, a drug you've never desired to try before and don't particularly enjoy now that you are trying it, you're someone who's tried meth. If you read/hear about meth, decides that it sounds fun, asks around until you find a dealer, and then settle into a pattern of regular use, you're a methamphetamine user. Big difference.

 

[SixBuckets]

^ Not to disagree with your point entirely, but there's a very important distinction between "someone who tries methamphetamine" and a "methamphetamine user." If someone offers you a line at a party, you snort it without thinking because you're intoxicated, then they tell you it's meth, a drug you've never desired to try before and don't particularly enjoy now that you are trying it, you're someone who's tried meth. If you read/hear about meth, decides that it sounds fun, asks around until you find a dealer, and then settle into a pattern of regular use, you're a methamphetamine user. Big difference.

Most people who try drugs - any drug - are initiated into using it by other people who use it themselves.

I see your point, but you can't be claiming that the former group make up the entirety of the 90% who have tried it but don't use regularly?

 

[Crankinit]

Of course not, which I why I said I wasn't disagreeing with your point.

Most people who try drugs - any drug - are initiated into using it by other people who use it themselves.

I dunno, I figure that would fall under "hear about meth and decide it sounds fun." Although I think it's probably an outdated view, or one which is becoming less of a factor than it used to be, other than when it applies to the individual's first engagement in the drug scene and the concept of using (illegal) drugs to get high in the first place.

Although while "most" isn't a word that can be used either way unless we have stats, I've (and maybe this is just, or at least in part, because of the circles I move in, but I think it's at least partially a wider, growing trend based on the globalization and digitization of the drug scene) seen a substantial number of people who intentionally put effort into seeking out a drug which they would never otherwise come across even now, let alone 10, or 20 or 30 years ago - either because they have some romanticized image of it from movies/books/celebrities/etc. (who do you think created more heroin addicts - Burroughs or Cobain? And I'm pretty sure the almost cartoonishly disgusting depiction of meth use and users in Breaking Bad was a conscious attempt to avoid this effect), because they read trip reports online and decide it sounds fun, because they have some specific issue they're trying to address (they want a stim so they can study, they want an opiate because they're in pain) or because they're just plain curious about trying as many different psychoactive chemicals as possible. These are the people who make posts like "I want to try heroin/[addictive drug] and see what it's like, (how) can I do it without becoming addicted?" (which, seriously, is like every third thread on a board I used to post on for opiate users, and I'm sure it'd be the same on a board for meth users). Yes, people use heroin and meth without becoming addicted, but I think the fact that you're making a premeditated decision to use it throws you further along the "risk of ending up addicted" spectrum. The fact that someone can already see the appeal and is planning on becoming a regular user and planning out how they'll use and not become addicted and they have only tried it once, or not at all, says a lot I think.

And now of course it's easier than ever - you can hear about pretty much any drug, decide it sounds fun, install TOR (which everyone knows about, courtesy of the media), make a run to the bank, go to a deep net market and have that drug in your mail box the next day. That's not even touching the RC issue.

What I'm talking about is people who make an firm, premeditated decision to use a drug because they see the appeal and because they obviously think (or want to think) they can handle it without becoming addicted v. people who just use it once or twice or whatever because they came across, they don't like it, at least not enough to seek it out, or they never have a chance to try it again (which isn't as much of a factor nowdays), and for the rest of their life they qualify as one of the people who tried it and never became addicted. That bloats the number of people in that category significantly, giving a warped perception of the addictiveness of the drug to people who are already, or who are considering, using it.

What's it boils down to is that what I think is far more revealing and relevant than taking everyone who's ever touched a drug ever and dividing them into those who became addicted and those who didn't, is tracking those who used it once or twice and never again, or very rarely, those who went through an extended period in which they intentionally sought it out because they enjoyed it's effects but didn't end up addicted (which is what people are hoping to be, recreational users), and those who used it and did end up addicted. While I'm not saying every recreational user ends up addicted, I do believe that the first category bloats the "non-addicted" numbers significantly. And of course as I said earlier, it's hard to track recreational user because a lot of people are recreational users for a long time, until suddenly they aren't recreational users.

...anyway, that got a bit more ranty than I intended. It's just something that's been on my mind lately

 

[poledriver]

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2015/s4214604.htm

'Ice epidemic' raises questions over facts of reported use

ABC's AM radio program, press the button on the link to hear it.

 

[mister]

Crystal meth is the perfect destructive drug – it's easy to make, cheap to buy, highly addictive and it's everywhere. 60 Minutes investigates the true toll of the ice crisis.

Story aired last night on 60minutes....

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/videoindex.aspx

 

[tweak_chef]

Used to be a tweaker. I started out just trying it, and then it went to a routine weekly-before-the-weekened comes with friends. Then I started buying on my own. The problem I wanna share is that, I usually had anxiety problems and trauma issues because what I went through during those times that I was high. And I would hear normal suburban sounds and think that every passing vehicle was the cops out to capture me. And I always thought that people had an agenda everytime they approached me and that continued and it worsened.

I'm sober now 2 years straight. I have moved to a different place and got a job. But even now, I still feel the same way towards everything paranoid, anxiety, doubtful. Is there still meth in my system? Or is this the trauma after being addicted to meth?

I have moved out of being a meth-head, but the I still think like one. And its destroying the way I interact with people. I cant get permanent friends.