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Mental Health Schizophrenia - A true illness or a Technologically influenced illness by design

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This question must be asked after so many years of mistreatment from psychiatrists and psychiatry itself to it's patients and potential patients. Where does schizophrenia come from, well in short it's really quite simple.. - It's simply sound, or waveforms just like you would listen to a song or hear someone speak in which the sound travels through the air to reach its destination via vibrations in the air.

Having read the first paragraph of this post you are probably all sitting there thinking the op of this post is out of his mind or doesn't know what he is talking about but after years of research and dealing with lesser being psychiatrists i found the answers i was looking for.

I will start of here and include several documents as proof as to why schizophrenia is a man made illness and is nothing more than a technologically designed illness manipulated through the use of sattelites, haarp, gwen towers, elf towers and any other likely things used as psychotropic weapons for psychotropic warfare that all connect to your bodies natural resonance or biometric field in which computers are used to read your thoughts, implant thoughts, implant images to the brain, dream manipulation just to name a few. The NSA is behind the technology or the patents in which they feel they have the right to use in public on a daily basis as a form of mass control of ones mind and innerself.

Please read the following links and then decide if the illness is truth or myth, maybe we can debate as a means to some worthy research to see where this goes im sure there are alot of people interested in someone insane posting such claims and what others have to say about such a topic as this.



Remote Neural Monitoring
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scalar_tech/esp_scalartech12.htm

NSA Information Portal
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_nsa.htm

Implants and Brain Computer Interface (BCI)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/secret_projects/implants.htm

The Deadly Industry of Psychiatry Portal
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industrypsychiatry.htm


If any of you require any more information do not hesitate to ask.


Peace

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I wonder if the dream manipulation is true.

Yeah they can implant thoughts with voice to skull technology, and that is a proven fact. The rest, IDk about. It is certainly possible.

And yes, it is true that they can literally drive a person crazy and fracture their mind. You don't necessarily need technology to do that. It sure helps those who do it though.

But schizophrenia is not just man made. It is spiritual. There are those who think everything is biological, psychological, and physical, and when those people have the means and motive to do this kind of stuff they do do it. IDK about your links and all the theories, but even with environmental manipulation and voice to skull tech it is not hard to do.

What people who do this don't realize is that they are doing exactly what demons have been doing for a long time. They think nothing is spiritual, and therefore don't realize they are being manipulated by fallen angels.

…20"And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, 21and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores.22"Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried …23"In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24"And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'25"But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.…

They must not have read that part.

IDK if any government agencies are still involved in this kind of stuff, but they used to be. There are plenty of private entities with the means and motive to do it too. Sometimes they are experimenting, sometimes they are squelching who they view as being dissidents, and sometimes they are just bored.

I do wonder if they have reached the point of being able to manipulate dreams, though.

Anyways, that is why I always thought psychiatrists are funny for asking people with symptoms of schizophrenia if they think people are out to get them. One of the ways these things are done is by PRIMING PARANOIA in the person. It is part of the process, and not hard to do at all. No technology required.

Anyways, yeah there are a lot of people who are interested in this kind of thing, and there are a lot of them with the means to do it. Regardless of whether or not those links are legit, it is being done. Anything people CAN do, people WILL do. Anyone who does not realize that yet is simply not paying attention. They are the delusional ones if they haven't figured that aspect of life in a fallen world out yet.

It has been proven that this kind of thing CAN be done with no technology. That means people ARE doing it. and they do have technology. Yet you never hear about people getting caught doing it.

It is amazing how often people will torment others just because they can. It seems it is rare that they wake up and realize they are about to die and be judged by God. Otherwise, they would be at least giving their victims money to live on. And I don't mean SSDI.

What is really bad is being driven crazy is not the worst that their victims endure. Many of them end up being forcibly drugged with neuroleptics, which is truly torture. Good thing about Lazarus though.
 
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That website looks like disinformation. Anything that mentions people like david icke is disinformation. Actually it is more of misdirection than disinformation. They don't expect people to buy the information, just to be misdirected by it.

A lot of that game revolves around association. They get people to associate two completely unrelated things. Controlled opposition is SOP. Get people to associate an idea with a person and then discredit the person.

Imagine if David Icke were the one saying this stuff that I have said here. No one would believe it because he says reptilians rule the world. In truth, fallen angels do rule the world - but not in the physical sense. In the spiritual dimensions. But once they read it from Icke, they associate the idea with Icke - who is in reality working for people who would like to cover stuff like this up.

And there is no massive conspiracy of humans, btw. There are a bunch of different groups who conspire and have similar goals. Websites like that spread misdirection for them.

People are way too easy to manipulate like this. That's why you are normally going to end up wasting your time even talking about it. Half the time, your own information is going to be bad. Stick to proven fact. "This can be done, we know this can be done because it is proven fact, and we know there are those who want to do it and this can be proven, therefore it is being done and you are just not hearing about it." Even when you stick to the facts, most people have been hypnotically anchored in a way that makes teaching them about the way the world really works impossible. It's all about misdirection. It's really the same magic that was around back in Egypt in the time of Moses, and that was in Rome etc. Same mystery schools even. It goes back to Babylon. That's where the methods of misdirection come from. Very old stuff. Check into the "ancient mystery schools." Stick to verifiable stuff, and stay off conspiracy theory websites. Mainstream conspiracy theory is just misdirection. These days, the biggest secrets are hidden in plain sight. It wasn't always that way but today it is. Everything you need to know is in the open, completely verifiable, and NEVER discussed. People are so easy to misdirect that it doesn't matter. Everything can be in the open, and it is. In fact, it is considered normal to be concerned with nothing but one's own self-interest.

Until something enters someone's personal experience, MOST people will never bother looking into it. They are too busy watching TV, watching porn, listening to filth on the radio, working etc etc... All the stuff you need to know is right in the open. Conspiracy theory websites are just misdirection for those who DO start looking into things. And the vast majority end up falling into that trap, leading to an even smaller number of people who figure out that the so-called hidden things were right in the open the whole time. No secret sources required. In fact, this is part of what makes the reality of our current situation here on planet Earth so unbelievable. All this stuff is right in the open. World view warfare and misdirection are so effective that it doesn't matter. It can be right in the open and continue on as if it were the most hidden thing in the world.

The world's best kept secret is that Jesus Christ really died on the Cross, rose from the dead, and His blood covers all of a saint's mistakes RIGHT NOW. Not just in Eternity. RIGHT NOW. That means the whole concept of personal responsibility is out the window. The New Covenant is about grace, not living by the Law. The RC Church hid that one from you. But if you open up a Gospel, boy, it was right in the open the whole time. Not everyone is a saint, though, and saints are only supposed to judge other saints for reproof and instruction to holiness. Saints are not supposed to be concerned with judging homosexuals, who are not even Christian, and stopping them from legally marrying. It is all about misdirection. There, now you know the world's best kept secret.
 
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Interesting post NOtoInvega

Whilst it could be disinformation which alot of it is anyway it still carries truths within the disinformation, one method of dealing with a conspiracy document is to tell a little lie, decieve a little and wrap common truths surrounding it to set the document in stone.

It would seem your trying to discredit what i have credited with your own belief system and that is fine but the topic was more so about the tech used to manipulate rather then the spiritual connection.

I actually have an implant and it gets a thorough work out at times displaying to me what it can and cannot do to the best of my analysis skills displaying to me that such technologies are in place. Are you reffering to a telepathy like environment when you mention all of this can be done without technology? Only certain races are telepathic, humans sadly are not and general humanoids on earth are also not. Please whatever you do do not bring a religious belief system and do not mention david icke while david icke is a great man he doesn't need to be reffered to as a means to connecting the dots on what society thinks of david icke as a whole with belittiling him and calling it disinformation.

On your first post you agree somewhat with some of the things im saying, now i'm not saying you had to agree at all but in your second post you go on about disinformation and religion. Everyones man and his mate next door are the next biggest thing at disinforming and discrediting people on forums.

Please try and stay on topic somewhat focus on the technological aspects and whether the possibilities of technology being available to certain bodies to do this is likely.

Peace
 
I'm not playing that game. Stop misdirecting people.

http://www.reasons.org/articles/art...ecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible That is what it is really all about. The ones who do this are being manipulated by demons. They are doing magic that is as old as Babylon. It is based on deception and misdirection - not whatever u are talking about. In modern times they use tech. Tech advances. I don't care how far advanced it is because they will never be doing more than fallen angels did all along. Demons have always been able to get in people's minds. Humans doing it too wouldn't change anything.

Do you talk the way you talk of your own accord? You either learned it from those who practice deception and misdirection or you know what you are doing. Do you know what you are doing or are you imitating someone you look up to? Data, show and tell, and mind games mean nothing. You can look at true information and interpret it incorrectly. Only Christ matters. He gets the final say in everything.
 
First of all I don't have schizophrenia, even though I had many similar symptoms. The next points are my thoughts...

1) People with mental illnesses tend to "believe" more. Hopelessness and misunderstanding often lead to searching. Religion, sects and in general supernatural structures are not scientific traceable. But especially religion and sects often help with love and understanding.
Many manipulate the easy targets though to get support and cash. On the other side people get hope and an answer for their missery.

Personally it doesn't matter to me what you believe in, because it is your choice, but if money and hopelessness are part of being accepted by this "community" I would be highly sceptical about it(Scientology anyone?). Same thing with satelites and so on. Why do they want you to suffer from schizophrenia and not somebody else, like the president or somebody nobody likes: Justin Bieber?

2) Keep in mind that schizophrenia and other mental illnesses tend to create a different perception of reallity. This perception is individual and unique anyway. Everybody has his own perception and nobody can tell you how it is, besides yourself. If you can start accepting yourself and your perception things will get better certainly (my halluzinations and voice hearing are gone).

3) What is schizophrenia anyway? There are no real facts out there what it really is! This is also the reason why everybody has to try out medication and what suits one. I am a big Pharma opposer by the way, because I don't want to be a guinea pig. People who need it shall take it, because it seems often times to be the only way to live a normal life.


"The World Health Organization conducted two long-term follow-up studies involving more than 2,000 people suffering from schizophrenia in different countries. These studies found patients have much better long-term outcomes in developing countries (India, Colombia and Nigeria) than in developed countries (USA, UK, Ireland, Denmark, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Japan, and Russia),[40] despite the fact that antipsychotic drugs are typically not widely available in poorer countries, raising questions about the effectiveness of such drug-based treatments."

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prognosis_of_schizophrenia

4) Who says that the writters of the bible and any major religious script have not suffered from schizophrenia? Isn't it so that even in todays society many people look for shamans, seeing supernatural things? The misterious and unknown will always be part of humanity as long as we don't know everything.


Some articles about people with schizophrenia saying that they made a recovery without medication and scientists saying that the way we look at mental diseases have to be changed.


Overview (big Pharma opposer):

http://www.rethinkingmadness.com/articlesblogs/4568990379
 
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Some interesting viewpoints but does anyone have any links to peer reviewed evidence based medical journals?
 
People tend to wrap a label around pretty much everything even though in the scheme of things they know nothing.
The funny thing is when at the doctors there's all the documentation into Schizophrenia, Bi-polar, Personality disorder, Attention deficit, Anxitey, Eating disorders, Substance abuse so on and so forth.
'They' hate you mentioning the internet or Dr. Google; but as your waiting for 40 minutes you read through the pamphlets and try to be a good patient, patiently.
What is real in the subjective is a very real phenomenon and shouldn't be dismissed, or fobed off with antipsychotics.
It's what makes us human (ahem, cough, cough)
Damn I love to hear myself type, like a splinter in your mind; do you take the blue pill or the red pill?
I heard a really good quote, life is not how to like a box of chocolates.
'life's not about how to weather the storm, it's learning to dance in the rain'
 
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Perception is the key. It is the only thing we can change by accepting and learning. Everybody might have certain traits, but everybody can change the way we see the world.

Being blind, foggy-brained you walk through a land of pain and misery. Everything is black and the fear eats you alive, piece for piece. And then one day you can lift up the haze of despair and for the first time you can see the world. Colours, shapes changing in rhytmns. The beauty you have long forgotten is there. You just have to open your eyes.
 
I've always found the diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia oddly specific when it comes to what is described as delusions. Like, if you think it's possible to control the weather, if you think you are in contact with alien beings, if you believe in telepathy, schizophrenia my son. It's so specific it's no doubt making people paranoid. Like if someone had this secret weapon and was using it on people then claiming they were insane and needed to be pumped full of drugs until they no longer believed something like that existed.

I could imagine a dystopian society where it was a commonly accepted fact that a (healthy) human being cannot possibly harm another human being, and if you thought someone wanted other than your utmost best, you were insane and needed to be sent to a place where they can cure you, because everybody wants your best.

Is schizophrenia man made? Well the label is definately, but from what I gather, people have been suffering from these 'symptoms' for a long time now. Paranoia for example, I consider it a minds defense mechanism. It can be pretty damn useful if you are in a situation where your life is threatened. I don't see any reason why this defense mechanism couldn't go absolutely haywire though, where you start grasping at straws and see possible threats everywhere and because of your scared mindstate you act out on these perceived threats even when they turn out to be mere ridiculous assumptions in the end.
 
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I've always found the diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia oddly specific when it comes to what is described as delusions. Like, if you think it's possible to control the weather, if you think you are in contact with alien beings, if you believe in telepathy, schizophrenia my son. It's so specific it's no doubt making people paranoid. Like if someone had this secret weapon and was using it on people then claiming they were insane and needed to be pumped full of drugs until they no longer believed something like that existed.
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That's not exactly right - the specifications in the schizophrenia diagnostic criteria are given to divide the diagnosis into sub-types for the purposes of determining non-pharmaceutical treatment approach. It's perfectly possible to be diagnosed with schizophrenia if you have delusions/hallucinations that aren't in the list. The DSM IV splits them into bizarre and non-bizarre delusions, with the presence of 'bizarre' delusions requiring fewer supporting characteristics to determine a diagnosis of schizophrenia.

The diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia is actually interesting because it has so many exclusions. It basically says "these symptoms suggest schizophrenia, but only if X, Y and Z are explicitly not present."

I could imagine a dystopian society where it was a commonly accepted fact that a (healthy) human being cannot possibly harm another human being, and if you thought someone wanted other than your utmost best, you were insane and needed to be sent to a place where they can cure you, because everybody wants your best.

Is schizophrenia man made? Well the label is definately, but from what I gather, people have been suffering from these 'symptoms' for a long time now. Paranoia for example, I consider it a minds defense mechanism. It can be pretty damn useful if you are in a situation where your life is threatened.
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I don't think it is, though? If your life is threatened by something real and you can't accurately assess the situation because you're delusional, hallucinating or experiencing extreme paranoia, how is that helpful?

I think the point you're trying to make is kind of aligned with the theory that PTSD is a natural defense mechanism to trauma that extends as a disorder after the trauma is no longer present? I can see how that makes sense for PTSD, but not for schizophrenia spectrum disorders.
 
The DSM is made up by people. Literally pulled out of thin air, with no science behind it.

It's simple. They observe behaviors, diagnose the behaviors as a biological disorder with -0- proof, further claim too much dopamine causes it, and force the person to take extremely harmful drugs to "control the symptoms" (seize up their brain by blocking dopamine and serotonin). It is a business.

The UN calls it torture and called for an outright ban. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTr8NoUx6SI

In reality, they punish the patient: https://sites.google.com/site/punishingthepatient/prisoners/treatment-or-torture Neuroleptics are torture not treatment.

It is possible to literally drive someone crazy, but those links are misdirection. The Soviets did this stuff first.

Paranoia is something that you can prime in a person. Delusions are false beliefs. Hallucinations are something you experience every time you dream. Everyone hallucinates to some extent.

So, the real question is why is there so much deception regarding the practice of driving people viewed as dissidents crazy? They put out all those fake links to misdirect. There is a widespread disinformation campaign on the subject.
You literally - never - hear about people getting caught doing it. No one even gets caught using voice to skull technology, which is definitely being used to mess with people.
 
So basically you are saying that schizophrenia didn't exist before modern technology?

Sorry, I disagree.

It's a legit mental illness that has probably existed since the dawn of time.
 
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That is science, dude. You've just described how several whole branches of science work.
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Real science is based on objectively verifiable tests. If you have a cold, they could run a test to verify that you have a cold. In fact they can tell you what strain you have. It is just not necessary in most cases.

If you have any biological illness, they have a test to verify it.

There is no test that verifies mental illness. Mental illness should be defined as mental distress, but that wouldn't make money. The biopsychiatric model has no objective proof.

I'm not posting in this thread any more because it is misdirection.

But the dopamine hypothesis is one of the most evil things that has happened lately on Earth. They are torturing people based on that hypothesis.

If schizophrenia were a legit illness, it would be far more likely to be caused by the way the brain is wired (the way the pathways formed) than excess dopamine. The dopamine hypothesis is an excuse to torture people with neuroleptics.
 
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There is no test that verifies mental illness. Mental illness should be defined as mental distress, but that wouldn't make money. The biopsychiatric model has no objective proof.
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If it was called mental distress instead of an illness, don't you think that would make people put blame on the sufferer for his own state, in a "snap out of it already!" sort of sense? Just look at what chronic fatigue disorder sufferers are going through being labeled having an imaginary disease and being blamed for their own problems.
 
Schizophrenia is an umbrella term, or at least it appears that way to me. Until experts are able to go inside a persons mind and see what is exactly happening they will be left observing and trying to treat external symptoms or behaviors.

Whilst I don't doubt it's possible to influence using technology I don't think that one size fits all explanation is correct, in fact I would be surprised if it was even 1% of cases. To me there's a whole host of possible causes: Diet, drugs/alcohol abuse, faulty brain chemistry, sleep disorders, trauma, simply worrying yourself into a hole, and the genuine entity/spirit influence.
 
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