5-HTP after roll

[Innerpeace]

Some people like it, I am one of those and think it mildly helps. Ive taken it before and it has increased my mood- esp higher doses-im thinking 2-300 mgs.
Of course after a roll, eating healthy and well, exercising, doing healthy things is most important and this is just a supplement.

I think its a good idea to use 5-htp 2-4 weeks after rolling. Moreover, I'm a advocate of three months wait time minimum, so by the time your done 5-htp it wouldn't effect your next roll

Recent discussion has said that taking it at night, can keep a person awake, so its best to take it in the day or morning when you first wake up , with a meal)

I have used it before bed, for a month or so, and I cant say for sure it kept me up, might have though. So i think with the first meal every day is a good idea. Furthermore, a dose of 200 the first few days I think is fine, then moving to 100 mgs the next few days, then down to 50 -if you'd like . does anyone think a different dosing scheme makes more sense?

have you taken 5-htp and do you feel it helps in getting your chemicals back in balance ?

 

[NemaCo]

Well, I started with 50 mg a day few days ago. I have stomach problem from using MDMA, and I read on this forum that 5-htp helped someone.

For now I'm just in much better mood. Stomach problems can make people depresed.

 

[PotatoMan]

When i used to suffer from emotional pain, I couldn't figure out the source and around the time I was into rolling and going music festivals (still am, but quit M/X till I acquire a Test kit) and I would have anxiety, mood swings that lasted on the downside more than the up, insomnia and eating problems.

I went to the pharmacy one day looking for 5-HTP to preload my serotonin for one of my upcoming rolls and read on the bottle that it treats all of what I was experiencing. So even after rolling I'd take it to restore my sero levels (this is quite common amongst MDxx users btw).

I eventually started taking 100mg everyday 50 in the am and 50 in the pm and then mum said they cost too much and i should decrease dose.

Within a couple weeks of reducing my dosing to 50mg in the morning I started feeling the effects of increased serotonin. My insomnia ceased, appetite regulated, mood lifted and anxiety eliminated almost entirely like how a xan would do it. This is how I felt every day while I took it.

I then read a study suggesting that chronic high levels of serotonin in the brain is bad for the heart so I eventually stopped taking them via self medication.

After a while my sero went back to baseline and I experienced the original problem symptoms mildly and still do to this day except my mood swings stay on the up side more than down, appetite isn't a problem, insomnia is minimal and anxiety is mild to moderate.

I think it's a great supplement but one other thing I also realized is the placebo effect that I'm sure Anti-depressant users experience as well. It was the feeling that without taking a pill in the morning my mood wouldn't be lifted like I'd liked it to be.

I was only on it for several months and now haven't bought or taken it for about 7+ months. I don't plan to again till I start finding pure MDxx and get back into rolling probably when I got to Uni.

 

[Trying2Iso]

I ride the crash, it's all part of the experience.
when i show up to PHP and my eyes are sunken and have dark circles around them, im talking super fast and super irritated, pacing like crazy and easily upset, my acquaintances know i had a good time the night before

 

[ModerateAbuse]

I ride the crash, it's all part of the experience.
when i show up to PHP and my eyes are sunken and have dark circles around them, im talking super fast and super irritated, pacing like crazy and easily upset, my acquaintances know i had a good time the night before

This is the equivalent of letting your car's engine run out of oil and seize up because it shows people how far you have driven. Serotonin depletion is no badge of honor. 5-htp is something your body needs. It's literally the building block of serotonin. I hate to come across so negative, but your post is somewhat immature the way I read it. Just replace what you have lost and feel better. How could that be wrong?

 

[Innerpeace]

excellent poin tModerateAbuse . how long after a roll do you take 5-htp? how long do you space your rolls?

I never understood why anyone would want to be proud of feeling bad from so many drugs. drugs are meant to enhance life and make one feel terrific, not feel like shit with your eyes sunken in. This reminds of of the mentally a friend I had that shot himself..

 

[Mazzab]

From the discussion of this idea with much more intelligent BL ers than I, it seems that the actual amount of 5-htp that reaches the brain and crosses the blood/brian barrier is very negligible from oral 5-htp supplementation. Coming from an old time raver who's been supplementing 5-htp post roll for years, when the science of it was broken down for me...I learned that my supplementation was probably placebo effect.

 

[cosmosmariner]

I take 5HTP after rolling without fail. I take it for only 5 days afterwards. I also take it with ECGC to keep more of it in the brain. I think that's what Mazzab is talking about, the use of it in the peripheral system, versus the brain. After 5 days, I follow up with an L-Dopa and ECGC, because it can be low due to 5HTP supplementation.

Cos

 

[Innerpeace]

I take 5HTP after rolling without fail. I take it for only 5 days afterwards. I also take it with ECGC to keep more of it in the brain. I think that's what Mazzab is talking about, the use of it in the peripheral system, versus the brain. After 5 days, I follow up with an L-Dopa and ECGC, because it can be low due to 5HTP supplementation.

Cos

how does ecgc help 5-htp work better?

Thanks for the ecGC information.,I drink magic matcha green tea everyday so ill take the 5-htp in the morning with my matcha the next day after a good nights sleep

L-dopa is great to take a month of so, even a couple or few weeks everyday/night before a roll and makes one roll harder bc you are right, it acts opposite of 5-htp, it decreases serotonin, increases dopamine

 

[Bro Smurf66]

Something that people should know is that if you're taking 5-htp, MAKE SURE TO TAKE A DOPAMINE SUPPLEMENT!!! Serotonin and Dopamine are metabolized by the same enzyme, so if you take 5-htp w/o a Dopamine supplement, you run the risk of depleted Dopamine levels. And if you take a Dopamine supplement, you run the risk of depleting Serotonin levels.

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3415362/

 

[Black]

From the discussion of this idea with much more intelligent BL ers than I, it seems that the actual amount of 5-htp that reaches the brain and crosses the blood/brian barrier is very negligible from oral 5-htp supplementation. Coming from an old time raver who's been supplementing 5-htp post roll for years, when the science of it was broken down for me...I learned that my supplementation was probably placebo effect.

yup. the great majority of the 5-htp is metabolised into serotonin (which can not cross the blood brain barrier) by aromatic amino acid decarboxylase long before it can get to the bbb.
higher levels of serotonin in the bloodstream from taking 5-htp long term can lead to cardiac fibrosis. this has never been scientifically confirmed, but it's just logical, so i'd be very careful.

ecgc could help but i'm not so sure if getting effective doses into your system is practical (it has never been shown in vivo and ecgc has lots of other actions that could give you plenty of side effects at such high concentrations. so my guess would be: no). carbidopa would be effective for that purpose, and is always used when 5-htp is given by a doctor, but i wouldn't recommend it unless it's prescribed.

This is the equivalent of letting your car's engine run out of oil and seize up because it shows people how far you have driven

pouring some oil into a flask in your trunk and lighting that on fire isn't going to do the engine any good either.
but the analogy is faulty anyway. the car would have to have a built in functionality to refill oil and repair the engine when left alone.

 

[Innerpeace]

Im done with 5-htp anytime after a roll. Recently did 5-mapb 110 mgs , gf did 75 mgs ...i was 245 at time, her 165...anywaysI got serotnin syndrome bad, on a scale of 1-10 an 7-8....passed out in my kitchen ..low blood pressure, I had it for about six days and it didnt start untill two days after the roll, I kept taking 100 mgs 5htp, then 50 mgs, then 50 mgs and each night it got worse....never again will I take 5-htp close to a roll

I dont know if ti was the 5-htp, it could have been a bad batch bc there a guy igbot , in the 5-mapb thread, he and I used around the same time, he passed out like two days later and went to hospital,,i passe dout ansd waited it out and went to doctor....I told my mom I lve her and told her told her if I die her and my dad did a goodjob of riasing me and im in a good place, she asked did i do any drugs? i lied to her first time , then felt so bad, i told her about 5-mapb

It took a week to just feel somewhat normal again, it was bad, shivering, classic serotonin symdrome. a friend a doctor said if I ever do it again start with 1/3 the dose and go from there

I know this might not nothing to do with 5-htp and it may bc I didnt take 5-htp untill two days after I forgot and thats when I started having serotonin syndrome and kept taking it for three days total with good dose of egcg,-high purity- 400 mgs, which in fact does cause 5-htp to cross the bbb and work way more effectively

ive done mdma 30 times in my younger days and have never got serotonin syndrome.

 

[JWills20]

After personal experience and a bit of research I've come to the conclusion that most of 5-HTP's 'recovery' effects are probably placebo. But, if it works it works. Placebo effect is real.