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Misc Scheduled drugs in USA are BS...

hahaha.

You guys STILL don't get it.

Forget the part when I said what the DEA and FDA should do, im no expert on anything. I'm an addict like most of you guys,
All I was trying to say is, the scheduled drug system IS fucked up.

Like I said, Heroin and Cannabis both in the same class? That's laughable.
 
Methacodone said:
Schedule 1-
Heroin, Methamphetamine, LSD, MDMA/MDA, shrooms

Schedule 2-
Oxycodone, Morphine, Opana, Dilaudid, Methadone, Adderall

Schedule 3-
Hydrocodone, Codeine, Xanax, Ativan, Valium, Klonopin, Ritalin

What do you guys think?
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I think that's still wack. I don't understand why you have LSD, shrooms, and MDMA as being comparable to heroin or meth. Part of schedule 1 means the drugs have no medical benefit.

I also wouldn't put Adderall as schedule 2 and I wouldn't separate hydrocodone from the schedule 2 opiates you have. Where do you put cocaine in all of this?


According to wiki this is the basic Schedule 1 criteria:

1.The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
2.The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
3.There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
 
Carl Landrover said:
I think that's still wack. I don't understand why you have LSD, shrooms, and MDMA as being comparable to heroin or meth. Part of schedule 1 means the drugs have no medical benefit.

I also wouldn't put Adderall as schedule 2 and I wouldn't separate hydrocodone from the schedule 2 opiates you have. Where do you put cocaine in all of this?


According to wiki this is the basic Schedule 1 criteria:

1.The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
2.The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
3.There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
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You're 100% right. Schedule 1 drugs are non medical approved drugs, meaning there's no way to get an rx from them.
imo though, I don't think anyone has bad enough add or adhd to use meth (desoxyn), if it's really thAt bad, get a higher dose of Adderall.

about the cocaine, that's absolutely a schedule 1 drug...it has no medical benefits, it's made for recreational purposes.

but like I said man, the schedule 1 drugs should include..

1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. MDMA
4. LSD
5. Methamphetamine
6. Ketamine
etc...

none of those drugs rugs are medically needed, they're all recreational drugs. The only one I'm questionable on is the meth...
like I said I don't think anyone's add is bad enough to use meth or desoxyn (same thing)...that I could be wrong on.

but the rest...are def. Non medical needed drugs.
 
Meth is for extreme cases of narcolepsy to prevent falling asleep while driving or working.

Ketamine is absolutely valuable medically, which is why it is schedule 3 although schedule 2 makes sense as there is dependancy and abuse risk.

Cocaine is not just an anesthetics and at very low doses in pure form can be a great therapeutic tool.

MDMA is also a great therapeutic tool.

LSD not only is good for therapy, but does not have the severe risk of dependancy and abuse.

Heroin is a great painkiller. In severe cases it is useful.

Just because a drug is not useful to you doesn't mean no one should have it. Your mentality is why we have a fucked up scheduling system. No one can decide something for another person, but there is deciding something with someone for them.
 
I think weed should stay in schedule 1 because of its high potential for abuse by people who think it's safer than filtered water and don't believe it has any negative effects therefore smoke it 24/7.
 
That's a person's problem not a problem with weed.... Should coffee be banned because people drink 12 shot espressos a day?
 
Methacodone said:
1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. MDMA
4. LSD
5. Methamphetamine
6. Ketamine
etc...

none of those drugs rugs are medically needed, they're all recreational drugs. The only one I'm questionable on is the meth...
like I said I don't think anyone's add is bad enough to use meth or desoxyn (same thing)...that I could be wrong on.

but the rest...are def. Non medical needed drugs.
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How do you define medically needed? They're not useful to you? Therapists have successfully used MDMA in couples therapy. It greatly allowed them to have an open line of communication. You think MDMA and LSD have the same harm potential as heroin and meth? If MDMA and LSD were allowed to be tested more I firmly believe they both have legitimate medical uses.

Ketamine is currently used as an anesthetic. It has medical benefit in the fact that it is currently used for its medical benefit. You'd move it from Schedule III to Schedule I?


Cocaine also has a medical benefit. It wasn't created just for recreational purposes. It has recreational purposes, but it can have medical benefits. They may not anymore, but I know it was used as a topical anesthetic for eye doctors.
 
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Methacodone said:
hahaha.

You guys STILL don't get it.

Forget the part when I said what the DEA and FDA should do, im no expert on anything. I'm an addict like most of you guys,
All I was trying to say is, the scheduled drug system IS fucked up.

Like I said, Heroin and Cannabis both in the same class? That's laughable.
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You have a rant of your true beliefs and then when people get pissed off at your stupid fascist views you say hang on forget that part. Who are you to decide how anyone lives their lives.
Don't be so hypocritical just because your on some program and haven't used your DOC in a couple of weeks.
Get off your high horse.
 
Johno88 said:
You have a rant of your true beliefs and then when people get pissed off at your stupid fascist views you say hang on forget that part. Who are you to decide how anyone lives their lives.
Don't be so hypocritical just because your on some program and haven't used your DOC in a couple of weeks.
Get off your high horse.
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Get off my jock and stop bashing me.
 
In no way I made this thread to get bashed on, everyone has their own opinions on everything.

I didn't even know ketamine was allowed to be rxd. I had no idea it was a schedule 3 drug, I've never used it. But I heard it's very similar to mdma.

like I said, I'm no genius, and my opinions are MY opinions, no one has the right to bash anybody for no matter what the reason is.

Yet, I keep getting bashed on this thread, I guess they have nothing better to do.
 
Ketamine is incredibly needed. It's an essential drug. It's an incredibly safe anesthetic and is used on sick people and the elderly. It's also not schedule 2. But yes the scheduling system makes no sense. Everything should be legal.

If you dont want legalization then try this...and this isn't even ranked by harm but would at least make some small bit of sense.

Schedule 1. Street drugs designed for injection. Decriminalized.

Schedule 2. Some opiates and meth and coke. xanax. Nbome psychedelics.

Schedule 3. Some opiates. Mdma. Alcohol. Most benzos but not all. Ketamine. Mild stimulants.

Schedule 4. Most psychedelics. Lyrica, gabapentin. Valium.

Schedule 5. Coffee. weed. etc.
 
So you start a thread on a subject you have little knowledge about then go on a tirade about how you can "fix" the system by making it worse and expect to be immune to critizism? You have the right to be wrong but you don't have the right to not be offended.
 
My 4 yr old daughter tripped and busted her face below her nose and above her lip a couple months ago. They gave her IV ketamine atbthe children's hosp. ER so they could knock her out fast and be back up fast. Just to put in 7 stitches on her lip. Rather than a all night stay with regular anethesia and thats dangerous to anestisize childen.unless its 100% necissary. Took about 1.5hrs from dose till semi co herent. My 4 yr old was k'd slurring and spaced out had eye nastygmas, she was fine tho. lol they let her play with this trippy ipad app while they gave her stiches the dr. Said something like i bet she is loving that light show lol before he gave it to her he was trying to explain ketamine to me, i was just thinking like shut up i have some stored away at home lol so they use it all the time even.more so with animals. They have ketamine nosespray and skin cream. They told me they use ketamine all day there for like setting broken.bones on children. Its extremely hard to get a child to sit still and or not go nuts while your cleaning wounds and putting.in IVs....
 
Well, I'm from the UK but our drug policy is just as messed up as that of the states and just about everywhere else. The way I see it, pretty much all drugs (alcohol and tobacco included) should be available OTC from licensed premises. The catch would be that users would have to have to get themselves signed up on a register which would be used to monitor and, except for very low risk drugs like cannabis, quota their usage. Ideally, these quotas would allow people to occasionally use or even exceed what would normally be recommended for someone without a prescription or at least some sort of professional medical guidance/intervention. However, if that level of usage were exceeded the user would be flagged up, causing their quota to be reduced or cut off until they went to see a doctor to make sure they're clued up, not putting themselves at too much risk and possibly identify some underlying cause for their drug use.

With regard to the whole pill counting/drug testing thing, I think that if someone has a recent history of drug abuse or diversion then it may be fair enough, but doing that by default would just be stupid. It's that "guilty until proven innocent" approach to drug control that's got us into the shitty situation we're in now.
 
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