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Opioids Heroin to Oxy
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Bluelighter
No, youll experience withdrawal if u are on opiates constantly for at least 5 days in a row. However if you where an addict using opiates then quitting can cause cravings which can sometimes feel like withdrawal
cousinskeeter
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I would say probably not, but honestly you need to provide more accurate and detailed information.
Methacodone
Bluelighter
Why risk it?
If you have addiction potential, opiates are probably the most addicting drugs in the world, I wouldn't do anymore opiates if I were you.
I been in the opiate game for 8+ years, and im still stuck in the game.
Hydrocodone (80-120mg daily/2 years), to Oxycodone (120-200mg daily/ 3 years), to Heroin (1/2 gram smoked daily/ for 1 year), now for the last 2 1/2 years, ive been on methadone @ 80mg.
It's fucking hard to get out of this world man, don't come inside, meaning don't use opiates at all, they're evil, they captured me and trapped me, and many others, and it could capture you and trap you also.
If you have addiction potential, opiates are probably the most addicting drugs in the world, I wouldn't do anymore opiates if I were you.
I been in the opiate game for 8+ years, and im still stuck in the game.
Hydrocodone (80-120mg daily/2 years), to Oxycodone (120-200mg daily/ 3 years), to Heroin (1/2 gram smoked daily/ for 1 year), now for the last 2 1/2 years, ive been on methadone @ 80mg.
It's fucking hard to get out of this world man, don't come inside, meaning don't use opiates at all, they're evil, they captured me and trapped me, and many others, and it could capture you and trap you also.
I risk it because... there is a difference between people like me and you. I like to get high reguardless of the substance, ive been a user of all substances except hard to come bys(kratom etc around RI its rare)and never touched hallucinogens besides saliva one time. I'm very stubborn minded, i had a thick head sometimes good some bad, but I know whats best for me, Ives stopped doing crack, and heroin cold turkey, I just like to get high ive smoked rock once in the last 3 months and did cokes 2x, molly about 8 days of the past 2 months. I just like to be high, but i realize at one point when the high it no longer worth the chase. Thats what ppl need to realize, i cant afford take to dope periodically, i would be working to not get sick literally and i wouldnt be getting high just not sick. So thats why i stopped for 3 months to get back to real life. even though my addiction was a small one was not fun.
BTW: EDIT: INFO:
I took oxy 15s (about 1-2 weeks out of a months from march/2014-july/2014)
After words i would talk 1/4-1 whole oc 80 extend release(everyday) with a 30 bag of dope (about 3 days a week[.4 of some pretty damn raw]) then oct 31st took 10 of the oxy 15s and nothing till lately
You just said you used to be addicted cut the holy than thou speech out. And you said you like to get high no matter the substance... But then said you dont take hallucinogens. Baka.
The more times you go through wd, the worse they get and the faster they come.
The more times you go through wd, the worse they get and the faster they come.
only had withdrawl once. The one time 3ish months ago
Edit: If you read it. ALL the way though(i know how impatient us users are) it pretty much says, you can either WORK to PAY for HEROIN to FUNCTION in SOCIETY. Or you can WORK and FUNCTION in SOCIETY, THEN PAY for PILLS
I didn't know you were one for bible scriptures tho so if you know better than me about holy preeching go ahead
Edit:Edit: Don't comment if youre sick and being a bitter addict
Edit: If you read it. ALL the way though(i know how impatient us users are) it pretty much says, you can either WORK to PAY for HEROIN to FUNCTION in SOCIETY. Or you can WORK and FUNCTION in SOCIETY, THEN PAY for PILLS
I didn't know you were one for bible scriptures tho so if you know better than me about holy preeching go ahead
Edit:Edit: Don't comment if youre sick and being a bitter addict
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rave_itsrealfun!!!
Bluelighter
Man it sounds like this guy could use some hallucinogens.
Nobody cares how much drugs you have done this year. Molly about 8 times in 2 months? That's once a week, lol.
Yeah, thats why I stopped, i work 2 jobs 630-930 4 of the 7 days and only get 1 Saturday off a month. Thankfully my doctors note excused me even though I didn't go to a rehab, stayed at home for 3 weeks(went back afeter 1 1/2 weeks but couldnt do it, My jobs are both very physically demanding) with no pay or tdi or anything and went back to work still feelin shitty lol.
inthetriptank
Bluelighter
OP...do you think you are really any different than any of us "other" opiate addicts (which you also admitted to being at one time)? No one starts out saying, "Man, how fun would it be if I could totally lose everything to this one great drug?!"...we all start out enjoying various substances, from empathogens to hallucinogens to stimulants to opiates, and then one day a switch flips, and for whatever reason we cross that line of being able to maintain "responsible" usage, to no longer being able to.
Once that line is crossed, and it sounds like you've crossed it whenever you were first "addicted", you can't just go back.
And to your OQ: I also came off opiates at the end of Oct. 2014. Methadone and various others. W/D and PAWS sucked. Since then I have used a handful of times, most recently last week while away on holiday...and after 3 weeks of no opiates in my body, it took 36 hours of heroin use to feel like shit again. Still dealing with that, it sucks. So do with that what you will.
Once that line is crossed, and it sounds like you've crossed it whenever you were first "addicted", you can't just go back.
And to your OQ: I also came off opiates at the end of Oct. 2014. Methadone and various others. W/D and PAWS sucked. Since then I have used a handful of times, most recently last week while away on holiday...and after 3 weeks of no opiates in my body, it took 36 hours of heroin use to feel like shit again. Still dealing with that, it sucks. So do with that what you will.
Methacodone
Bluelighter
lol, are you saying that you're better than me? and wont get addicted to opiates if you use them?
TRUST ME, all, if not, MOST current addicts thought the same way your thinking right now.
Like I said, opiates imo are a trap, don't follow that trap, go around it.
stonedboss
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LOL. Clearly he is not in the midst of an opiate addiction and you are, so yes I think he is better than you at avoiding addiction. He is also clearly trying to be safe and avoid WD to avoid being trapped, like you clearly didn't. Yes they are a very addicting trap, but you can take precautions and still use them without getting trapped. BTW that isn't to put you down or anything, but yeah some people can naturally handle addictive substances better than others, and ones who cannot naturally can learn if done the right way (which is clearly not jumping into opiates with merely willpower to fight the addiction).
That being said, just smoke weed dude. I had the same problem. It didn't matter what drug, but I just wanted to be high. I've gone through an opiate addiction in the past myself (8 years ago), because they are so good. Now I have no problem controlling my opiate usage. In between I smoke weed and I don't even trip about not having opiates, and I don't have any cravings at all. I don't smoke all day either, I get my work done during the day and only smoke at night. It works out great.
I don't think you'd get WD, but as others mentioned the amounts you used last week and tonight matter. Either way, I would not do them tonight. I did the same thing (opiates last week, then last night and now tonight) and IMO you should wait. I am kinda bummed I didn't wait because I know if I waited, it would have felt twice as good as it does right now.
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Um, yeah you can... this is the type of bullshit that NA and AA try to brainwash you with. I have been through 5+ addictions to various substances and today I have all of those at my finger tips, yet I am completely responsible. I am not trying to say that all past addicts should start using again without being afraid. I am just saying the addage "once an addict, always an addict" is bullshit and does not apply to everyone. So don't go around with this blanket statement telling everyone they can't do drugs again because they were addicted once before in the past. This line of thought makes it even harder for some addicts to stop, because they feel like they are cursed with a disease and once they drop their addiction they have to quit drugs forever.
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Im completely lucid and not withdrawal and at peace with my suboxone dependence. I did read all of it. Take a step back and look how offended you got when I implied you're addicted behaviors are still in you and you are bound for dependence again. If you thought you had it under control you wouldnt be so mad, but you are in denial that you are psychologically addicted to drugs- is it severe? No but its there and something to be concerned about. I just want to help you bropi (opiate bro).
People can be dependent and need heroin or pills to function, and they can function and take herion or pills occasionally. Theyre the same beast.
Im not religious, its just a phrase. When you said 'i'm not like you people you addicts' you act like your better than others when clearly you struggle with the same probably.
Look chipping after be dependent is a very easy way to dig yourself in a much bigger hole than before. And remember just because you aren't dependent does me you aren't psychologically addicted on any level. If you aren't addict you'd have no trouble taking a month completely sober to prove me wrong, right?
Good luck pal 1 love
Wow "LOL. Clearly he is not in the midst of an opiate addiction and you are, so yes I think he is better than you at avoiding addiction" arent you a condescending brat? Let me explain why hes not "better" than him. He might not be dependent right now but he has been before, opioid addicts go through times of dependence and non dependence early in the addiction. Methacodone is just further along, you cant compare unless theyve been doing opioids the same amount of time. Im sure methacodone had nondependent time but in the end if you keep chipping you're gonna be dependent again.
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This is why i came to the forum because this is the only answers i could find on google
Methacodone
Bluelighter
Wtf? Why are you bashing me when im trying to help someone?
Yes, their are people who can do opiates on occasions. But that's how it STARTS.
I was the SAME way when I started using opiates, I also started on hydrocodone, id only use them on weekends or when I go out.
The problem with opiates, your tolerance NEVER goes down, IME. I used hydrocodone for 2 years straight from 80-120mg daily. I quit hydro cold turkey with that dose and a very long period of time using them everyday (2 years).
I managed to quit COLD TURKEY, with no medicine help at all, JUST apap and ibuprofen, which barely did anything. It was the most challenging part of my life at the time, but I had to pay the consequences for using, to face w/d. After that, I went 6 months with no opiate use.
After those 6 months, I was introduced to OXYCODONE. My tolerance NEVER went down. When I started opiates 20mg of hydro would feel like superman to me, and I could've got oxy in any form I wanted them in, Percocet, Roxicodone, Oxycontin, etc.
That's when I got REALLY trapped, I thought I would be able to go thru oxy w/d, like I did with the hydro, but boy was I wrong. I abused oxy for 3 years straight, I tried to stop, I stopped for 9 days of PURE hell, nausea/vomiting, diarreaha, RLS, insomnia, depression, anxiety, the whole 9 yards. After 9 days, my w/d would still NOT go away. With hydro I felt better on day 5....so after that, im like this w/d is never going to end, so I started to smoke black tar heroin for a year. and OMG, I couldn't handle FIVE mins of heroin w/d, holy shit it is incredibly intense. The shaking part had me the most worried, I thought I was gonna have a seizure, so I went to a methadone clinic asap, and that was over 2 years ago. Now im stable on 80mg methadone.
Point of this post is, it can happen to anybody, like I said, go around the trap, not in it by using opiates,
but, im not your dad, and cant tell you what to do, but im at least trying to help, all the best man, be careful.
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Wow, condescend much? If you are so much better than others at avoiding addiction why would you want advice from us normals anyways?
It seems to me someone as awesome at doing drugs as you would never take something if there was even a chance of bringing on withdrawal. Once you have experienced withdrawal once it is MUCH easier to get to that point again, but no one is going to be able to tell you if you will withdrawal from doing this.
Methacodone
Bluelighter
rave_itsrealfun!!!
Bluelighter
It's confusing because the OP's post was so scattered and then started condescending people, I just got a vibe that he has a short temper. Not to judge I get angry very easily too, I don't deny that I'm very addicted to opiates either but it's because I can't function without them due to my chronic back pain. The underlying reasons are very clear for me to see, and I'm accepting of my choice to use opiates chronically at the present time. I'm doing everything I can to try and change the underlying reason why I need them, but for now I'm bedridden in agony without them and they help me so much. I'm currently getting treatment and diagnosis from a pain clinic, if my pain went away by some other means I'd get off them 100% and never look back. I was never interested in opiates before my injury, I was mainly a psychedelic user. I am comfortable being an addict at this point in my life, because I'm not fiending the drugs for a high (been there done that with other substances)... it's a medical dependency. I don't think anyone replying to him was being a jerk though - and I don't think he is a jerk either, maybe just some misunderstanding?
Heroin to oxy - the title of the thread but it has nothing to do with what he posted. In fact I'm not entirely sure what his question is. Are you worried about withdrawing, because it will lead you to continue taking opiates? Otherwise what's the big deal about being down in the dumps for a few days if you have complete control over your use? As for your specific question nobody can give you an answer, even if you gave all the specifics like the doses and everything, there's just no way of knowing how quickly withdrawal will set in. I would guess it can happen faster than you think, especially if you are a former user. If you're not withdrawing yet then why not wait a couple weeks before getting high again? Or do you just really want to get high that bad? Like I'm just wondering the basis behind your question, is it because you want to do the most drugs as possible without experiencing any comedown effects from your use? That in itself leads me to believe that you probably have a psychological attachment to opiates.
If you're concerned about experiencing withdrawal effects, then you should listen to your own mind man. You're having these cautious thoughts for a reason, and it's a good thing you're having them - I wouldn't ignore them. It might be your brain attempting to send out a warning signal to the part of yourself that is responsible for making good decisions. Why not wait a week or two, and then you won't be worried about getting a withdrawal, which could lead to continued use? Then you'll feel rewarded too for waiting it out.
I think if you're taking Mdma once a week, I personally think you should focus on cutting back on that too. That's really unhealthy... that is way too much ecstasy no matter who you are.
By the way, people who are not drug addicts are in no way "better" than addicts. Addicts are people too, and many of them function completely normally. It doesn't mean you are weak-minded either, to be an addict. Some people are just born susceptible to it. Addicts shouldn't be stigmatized, and many addicts are self-medicating after seeking treatment from shitty medical systems and not getting any help. Apart from the addiction aspect, opiates are nowhere near as bad for you physically as say getting drunk or chain smoking. The main issue with being an addict for a lot of people is that drugs are not legal, the whole black market thing really sucks.
Hope this helped, I don't mean to come across as a jerk, or that I know more than you or some shit like that. My main point is, listen to your own thoughts man, and you'll be able to answer that question for yourself.
Heroin to oxy - the title of the thread but it has nothing to do with what he posted. In fact I'm not entirely sure what his question is. Are you worried about withdrawing, because it will lead you to continue taking opiates? Otherwise what's the big deal about being down in the dumps for a few days if you have complete control over your use? As for your specific question nobody can give you an answer, even if you gave all the specifics like the doses and everything, there's just no way of knowing how quickly withdrawal will set in. I would guess it can happen faster than you think, especially if you are a former user. If you're not withdrawing yet then why not wait a couple weeks before getting high again? Or do you just really want to get high that bad? Like I'm just wondering the basis behind your question, is it because you want to do the most drugs as possible without experiencing any comedown effects from your use? That in itself leads me to believe that you probably have a psychological attachment to opiates.
If you're concerned about experiencing withdrawal effects, then you should listen to your own mind man. You're having these cautious thoughts for a reason, and it's a good thing you're having them - I wouldn't ignore them. It might be your brain attempting to send out a warning signal to the part of yourself that is responsible for making good decisions. Why not wait a week or two, and then you won't be worried about getting a withdrawal, which could lead to continued use? Then you'll feel rewarded too for waiting it out.
I think if you're taking Mdma once a week, I personally think you should focus on cutting back on that too. That's really unhealthy... that is way too much ecstasy no matter who you are.
By the way, people who are not drug addicts are in no way "better" than addicts. Addicts are people too, and many of them function completely normally. It doesn't mean you are weak-minded either, to be an addict. Some people are just born susceptible to it. Addicts shouldn't be stigmatized, and many addicts are self-medicating after seeking treatment from shitty medical systems and not getting any help. Apart from the addiction aspect, opiates are nowhere near as bad for you physically as say getting drunk or chain smoking. The main issue with being an addict for a lot of people is that drugs are not legal, the whole black market thing really sucks.
Hope this helped, I don't mean to come across as a jerk, or that I know more than you or some shit like that. My main point is, listen to your own thoughts man, and you'll be able to answer that question for yourself.