I'm trans-racial.

[ForEverAfter]

I'm hesitant to post this thread, because everyone I've ever talked to about this issue has - so far - passed it off as as a joke...
I feel like I have to pretend that it's not a serious issue, for me, and "hide behind the joke".
Consequently, I feel like nobody has ever truly known me...

I feel like people are pretty open-minded and patient here, but I don't expect to encounter much understanding.
Unless you've experienced it first hand, you don't really know what it's like to be an Asian in a Caucasian's body.

It seems like I'd be taken more seriously if I was trans-gender, which isn't fair.
I mean, why is it more legitimate to identify as a different gender?

I know I'm Asian.
I've always been Asian.
My skin tone is wrong.
My hair colour...
Eye colour...
All wrong.
And, I'm too tall.

I wish I felt comfortable talking to my family about this.
I'm afraid to even talk to a doctor about it.

Why are people so narrow-minded and quick to judge?

 

[methamaniac]

Where u adopted? Why do u feel u identify with Asians?

 

[ForEverAfter]

No, I was not adopted...

As for "why", that's a difficult question to answer. I don't know, any more than a man born in a woman's body (or vice-versa) knows why...
It's hard to explain exactly what it feels like to be trans-racial... but when I look in the mirror, I don't see the right person.
I am deeply connected to (and proud of) my roots as an Asian, but I look Caucasian and my family is Caucasian.
It's all very confusing.

(I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but I feel compelled to correct your wording: I don't identify with Asians; I identify as Asian, because I am Asian... That might sound like a petty distinction to you, but I think it's important. I told you I was Asian and your reaction was, predictably, something along the lines of, why do you think you're Asian? Like I said, I don't think I'm Asian. I am Asian. I just have the physical features and ancestry of a Caucasian.)

 

[methamaniac]

No, I was not adopted...

As for "why", that's a difficult question to answer. I don't know, any more than a man born in a woman's body (or vice-versa) knows why...
It's hard to explain exactly what it feels like to be trans-racial... but when I look in the mirror, I don't see the right person.
I am deeply connected to (and proud of) my roots as an Asian, but I look Caucasian and my family is Caucasian.
It's all very confusing.

(I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but I feel compelled to correct your wording: I don't identify with Asians; I identify as Asian, because I am Asian... That might sound like a petty distinction to you, but I think it's important. I told you I was Asian and your reaction was, predictably, something along the lines of, why do you think you're Asian? Like I said, I don't think I'm Asian. I am Asian. I just have the physical features and ancestry of a Caucasian.)

I'm not questioning whether you are Asian I was asking more what makes someone "Asian" to u.

 

[One Thousand Words]

Being born in Asia would be a great start.

Some how I doubt a love of rice and a small penis is enough

 

[ForEverAfter]

Being born in Asia would be a great start.

I don't see how that has any bearing on anything.
People of Asian descent are born all over the world, aren't they?
And, Caucasians are born in Asia all the time...

I was asking more what makes someone "Asian" to u.

What makes a man a man, aside from the obvious?
Do you know you're a man in a man's body, or do you just take it for granted?

 

[One Thousand Words]

Those Caucasians identify as asian, just as those born in Britain identify as british.

 

[methamaniac]

Being born in Asia would be a great start.

Some how I doubt a love of rice and a small penis is enough

Is it more wrong you wrote that or more wrong I laughed?
?

In a debate about sterotypes today I actually had someone call me and anyone u holds to sterotypes as racist. I was arguing that everyone holds sterotypes, and that it isn't necessarily a bad thing. They proceeded to tell me how they didn't "believe" in sterotypes.
I thought it very sterotypical of them to sterotype all people that use sterotypes as racist.
Appparently they didn't believe in irony either because they didn't see the humor.

I really like the net cause I don't have to be bothered about letting my sterotypes interfere in my conversations.

 

[ForEverAfter]

Is it more wrong you (wrote) that or more wrong I laughed?

Racism is racism.

Those Caucasians identify as asian, just as those born in Britain identify as british.

I have lived in Asia and I haven't met a lot of Asian-born Caucasians that identify as Asian. You're arguing a pedantic technicality.
Asian-born Caucasians are both Caucasian (ancestrally/genetically and in terms of physical traits) and Asian (in terms of where they were born).

I made it pretty clear that I was talking about the former.
If you're going to continue to mock me, please reconsider.
I'm an Asian man in a Caucasian man's body and I deserve respect.

 

[harmacologist]

I feel that being conceived in Jamaica makes me black. Some Jamaicans agree with me. 100% of the ones I smoked blunts with in fact.

Sure I look white, but I feel more at home with the brothers.

 

[methamaniac]

What makes a man a man, aside from the obvious?
Do you know you're a man in a man's body, or do you just take it for granted?

Well this kinda opens of a can of worms.
I guess you got to ask yourself if you are a man or woman.
(ain't that right Bruce Jenner)
And u (general) got to define what a man is.
According to my accepted definition I'm all man.
What is your definition of Asian?
The first step in defining something to know whether you are that or not is to give it a description.

 

[ForEverAfter]

According to my accepted definition I'm all man.
What is your definition of Asian?

You couldn't answer the question that you expect me to answer.
Beyond the obvious (reproductive organs and chromosomes) what makes a man a man?
You said "according to your accepted definition"... which is what?

 

[One Thousand Words]

Mm.

Racism is racism.



I have lived in Asia and I haven't met a lot of Asian-born Caucasians that identify as Asian. You're arguing a pedantic technicality.
Asian-born Caucasians are both Caucasian (ancestrally/genetically and in terms of physical traits) and Asian (in terms of where they were born).

I made it pretty clear that I was talking about the former.
If you're going to continue to mock me, please reconsider.
I'm an Asian man in a Caucasian man's body and I deserve respect.

I was born in Asia so I am asian. I don't look asian but by definition, coming from the region makes me asian. You can't change that

I'm sorry but unless you have some other defined quality that makes you asian then you are an asian-phile but not Asian

 

[ForEverAfter]

So, in terms of ancestry you're Asian?
Asian can mean two different things.
We've established that.

When you say "Jewish" you can mean, either: religion; or race/ancestry.
I've clearly defined the context of the term Asian, as I meant it to be understood.
You're making a meaningless distinction.

I'm sorry but unless you have some other defined quality that makes you asian then you are an asian-phile but not Asian

Couldn't you say this to any trans-gender person?
What's the difference?

 

[One Thousand Words]

No I'm a white man born in Singapore to New Zealand parents. I'm still an Asian

Is a motorbike a car? Of course not, because you are comparing two completely different categories.

Asia is not a gender. Or a fruit

 

[methamaniac]

You couldn't answer the question that you expect me to answer.
Beyond the obvious (reproductive organs and chromosomes) what makes a man a man?
You said "according to your accepted definition"... which is what?

This thread isn't about me trying to describe how I feel I'm a man, it's about how you feel your Asian.
But to satisfy your curiosity....
I have a penis. This means I very well could be a man since probably 99 percent of humans that consider themselves men have penises.
My penis only gets an erection at the site of females.
Another clue is I just asked my old lady (who is a woman) and she said I was not a woman.
My testosterone levels are that of what my doctor would describes as male
and I really hate chic flicks?
So why do consider yourself Asian?

Racism is racism

and a joke is a joke
penis size is relative. I guess joke may be a little offensive if one has a small penis.
I personally think big v-jay jays could be responsible for the sterotype. ☺
Curb Your Enthusiasm - Huge Vagina: http://youtu.be/lcJoTREXxwU

 

[Erikmen]

Being born in Asia would be a great start.

Some how I doubt a love of rice and a small penis is enough

Lol..

 

[Ninae]

Are you Indian or Chinese? There's a big difference. Different Asians don't really accept each other.

 

[ForEverAfter]

No I'm a white man born in Singapore to New Zealand parents. I'm still an Asian

Yes, you're Asian-born. You're ancestry isn't Asian. Unless your New Zealand parents were New-Zealand born, but of Asian ancestry.

Is a motorbike a car? Of course not, because you are comparing two completely different categories.

That's a stupid analogy.
Of course, a motorbike made in a car factory is technically a motorbike.
But that doesn't mean it was made in a motorbike factory.

Asia is not a gender. Or a fruit

No, it's a continent. (Last time I checked.)

This thread isn't about me trying to describe how I feel I'm a man, it's about how you feel your Asian.

I don't feel like I need to justify trans-racialism any more than a trans-gender person needs to justify being trans-gender.

I have a penis. This means I very well could be a man since probably 99 percent of humans that consider themselves men have penises.

I was making a comparison between trans-racial and trans-gender people.
If you limit the definition of male / female to physicality, then I assume you don't consider trans-gender legit, either?
(That was my point.)

My penis only gets an erection at the site of females.

So, heterosexuality has something to do with being a man, does it?

My testosterone levels are that of what my doctor would describes as male

So, someone with low T-levels is not a man?

and I really hate chic flicks

So, a man who likes chic flicks isn't a man?

You're talking stereo-types, which is funny because I thought you said you didn't like them in another thread.

So why do consider yourself Asian?

I don't consider myself Asian. I am Asian.
You have struggled to define what it is to be a man.
At least, I still don't know what your definition of a man is.
(Unless gay guys and people with different tastes in films are not men, according to you...?)
So, I'm not sure how you expect me to define what it is to be Asian...

Racism is racism

and a joke is a joke

And a racist joke is a racist joke.
Saying that Asian men eat rice and have small penises isn't top-shelf humor, IMO, regardless of racism.

penis size is relative. I guess joke may be a little offensive if one has a small penis.

I didn't find it offensive. I don't have a small penis.
(There used to be a photo of it on Bluelight, back in the NSFW gallery days.)
Asians have smaller penises, on average. If anything, I need to get my penis surgically reduced.

I personally think big v-jay jays could be responsible for the sterotype.

Yeah, it's all about sexual compatibility.
If you reduce women of African descent to the stereotype of eating watermelon and having (relatively) gaping vaginas, however, that is racist.

Are you Indian or Chinese?

I'm Laotian.

...

I don't know what I was expecting with this thread, in retrospect.
I'm hesitant to say, now, that I'm also a little person in a full-sized body.
But, why should I be hesitant? Why should I be ashamed?

I'm a Laotian midget, in a full-sized Caucasian body... and I'm damn proud.

 

[Ninae]

Hmm...this is really more of a subjective issue than an objective issue...like trans-genderism. So it'a hard to get much recognition from others for it.

But also a common phenomenon for people to prefer and identify with another race or culture than their own. Like, a German person might wish they were French. They might identify more with the culture and prefer the language, and even be able to relate to it more, and feel better understood there. But that doesn't really change that they are still a German and will be seen objectivey as one.

So I don't really know if you can say as much that you are t it's a wish in life that haven't been fulfilled (at least from anyone else's point of view). I know you've been doing a lot of psychedelics so maybe it has strengthened those feelings and made them more real. After all, there are many who would de to belong to a different race of culture, but it doesn't make them see themselves as somone who do in a different body. And after all, it's the culture and race we're born into that determine these things.