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Fucked up on heroin big time. Need urgent help. Please

Pagey

Pagey

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I know I've not been around here in a while, mainly cuz I havent touched any drugs except booze and weed since the aMT overdose last september.

But everything in my life has been going to absolute fucking shit and I couldn't handle it anymore. So I gave up on my what, two years clean off smack and got a fuckload. Snorted (big victory, I didnt inject, yay) about 0.3g a day. I've run out by now and seriusly didnt realise Id be getting WDs like this after a week. Am a fucking mess, I hardly think I need to describe it.
Anyway currenly I'm in my very last semester of uni, applying or masters, got a fucking MA interview at UCL on monday whee ill probably be puking my guts out the whole time, and my translation of a book is due to come out in 3 days and ive missed a bunch of important deadlines cuz i was high and i dont even know if itll get published now.
I feel like the only option other than offing myself is more heroin. Please please help. If I mess up the next couple of weeks theres a good chance my life is ruined forever.
 
dude go get a clonodine patch and thatll help get ya over the sickness... other then that idk what neone suspose to tell ya, u already listed your reason why you shouldnt do it... so just suck it up and get your shit done man
 
Clonidine is a restricted drug in the UK for a reason... If you wish to go the doctor route they may prescribe clonidine but are - frankly - far more likely to prescribe fuck all and refer you to an addiction clinic who can and will prescribe meds to suit your circumstances (ie methadone or bupe maintenance). Beyond that, the harsh reality is that you either do just suck it up and cluck for a couple more days or continue to use some form of opioid to get you over this critical period. It's really not for any one of us to tell you which of those options to choose in the immediate term but I suspect you can see the trajectory this all follows...

Dunno what to say, Pagey. Other than don't fuck up uni for the sake of a bag o' scag here and there. Harsh reality is you're either a smackhead and fail uni or you manage to go back to steering clear of the gear and pass with flying colours. If it truly is an immediate problem perhaps consider calling a sicky on whatever you have to hand in in the very near future and just do your cluck. It's a week at most - less if you're already suffering.

Best of luck <3

EDIT: Also, you are barely 20yo so nothing you do short of actual suicide will "ruin your life forever". At worst you have to take the year again. There are far worse outcomes. Perspective, gal <3
 
Hi Pagey, I'm sorry you are in this place. It happened to me. I have almost 6 months off dope now, but when I relapsed.. within like 4-5 days the withdrawal sx started appearing and I thought the only solution was more drugs. So I did more drugs for a while… til I came to a point of losing just about everything, again. Get out now if you can while it's early - It's only been a week.

If you stop now, or start tapering off asap - you'll be okay and can get back on track. Waiting might just put life on hold and you might not have another chance. It was life or death for me and homelessness again.

I would find some Clonidine per above comments, and any gaba drugs if possible. Cold medicine helped me tremendously in the day, and PM for evening - but it's addictive… and I only took it briefly. For some it works wonders, some not. Of course there is Loperamide but same thing, one can become physically dependent on it….

Best of luck to you. Hang in there
Smoky :)
<3
 
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Might want to look into Suboxone.

You said you only were on heroin for a week so withdrawal shouldn't be too long but suboxone is pretty good at warding off w/d symptoms and cravings in the future. Personally I used heroin throughout uni and used suboxone to ward off withdrawals and maintain high marks. Pretty effective, I personally would take about a fourth of an 8mg strip when the withdrawal is intense, then cut down to about a sliver of a strip, and then go cold turkey off suboxone on say a friday when there is no class.
 
Just to re-emphasize that clonodine needs to be carefully dosed to avoid seizures and such. It's prescription only for reasons other than the usual in the UK. EADDers have seriously damaged themselves taking clonidine without knowing what they're doing. It is effective for some but also highly iffy to take off your own back. Seek medical treatment rather than acquiring online and hoping you guessed the dose right.
 
Shambles said:
Just to re-emphasize that clonodine needs to be carefully dosed to avoid seizures and such. It's prescription only for reasons other than the usual in the UK. EADDers have seriously damaged themselves taking clonidine without knowing what they're doing. It is effective for some but also highly iffy to take off your own back. Seek medical treatment rather than acquiring online and hoping you guessed the dose right.
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You don't have sezuires as such, it lowers your bp so you are more likely to pass/black out if anything.
 
Yea some buprenorphine or lighter opiate to ease the WD/guilttrip and to have you relaxed and rested for the interview. Then taper off from that after things have become less hectic. Patience etc
 
Yeah, I've had clonodine and BritLofex (Lofexidine) and they definitely do lower blood pressure. Agreed with the advice about nailing them, without medical supervision. It could end badly.
 
Treacle said:
Yeah, I've had clonodine and BritLofex (Lofexidine) and they definitely do lower blood pressure. Agreed with the advice about nailing them, without medical supervision. It could end badly.
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You need you bp monitored unless you were taking small amounts. With Brilofex which is much more potent you can take around 20mg 40 tabs a day if monitored so there is quite a safety margin if you eat and drink enough, maybe even a 'sitter'

Quite remember if the tablets were 0.5mg so not sure on the 20mg thing.
 
Gone through the exact same thing twice and both times was put on Suboxone & .2 omg clonidine for sleep at night. Worked the first day and every day has gotten better. If you can get on something like that and stay on it some people can taper off within a few weeks but most likely it might take longer but at least you feel normal. This is the second time I've been on them & both times it's been a miracle and I hope to god this is my last. I know this time it's best not to rush tapering off and doing it slowly but Ive been on opiates for way too long so it may be different for me than you. I'll be 50 next month & I have been on opiates for years & finally free in some sort of sense. Still hard for me to believe that being at full withdrawals then taking suboxone & within minutes start feeling better and in about an hour back to normal. Clonidine also helps a bit with withdrawals but not much but helps with sleep. Absolutely best to be done under doctors care! You have too much of a life ahead of you and dont be down on yourself because I can't count the times I've screwed up and wasted so much of my life and my kids life
 
You other option - give yourself a break. You've been here before - you know its going to get better. Do you want me to go and take a picture of a tree for you (oh the AMT :D).

If you can't do the meeting, book etc - advise them now that your having personal difficulties and you will be ready on x date.

Look after yourself Pagey<3
 
Oh Pagey, I was only wondering the other day where you were and how you're doing. I haven't really got much to add to what others have said, but I seriously advise you not to go the drug services route as it will be on your medical records for life, and if you go to the GP they are likely to just refer you to them. Also, stay well clear of methadone. You've only been back on it a week and I know you're probably feeling like death at the moment, but it will soon be over. Get some loperamide, that will calm your guts down and stop you being sick. If you need more relief some cocodamol will help, but don't take too much because of the paracetamol - maybe do a cwe. How long since you last used? If its more than 3 days ago you're half way there. Just hang in there girl, then when you're feeling up to it go to the student counselor and explain you're having serious personal issues - they are very understanding and should put your deadlines back a while. Good luck, you can do it :-)
 
LosBlancos said:
Might want to look into Suboxone.

You said you only were on heroin for a week so withdrawal shouldn't be too long but suboxone is pretty good at warding off w/d symptoms and cravings in the future. Personally I used heroin throughout uni and used suboxone to ward off withdrawals and maintain high marks. Pretty effective, I personally would take about a fourth of an 8mg strip when the withdrawal is intense, then cut down to about a sliver of a strip, and then go cold turkey off suboxone on say a friday when there is no class.
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I believe that would be a safer option, or methadone... You need to re stablished and get back to where you were, being sober and coping. Subs could be an effective way to resolve that, and you don't need to keep on using when you are ready and feel stronger
 
Hi Pagey,

It's important to hold onto one idea throughout all this: It's not the end of the world. This is all recoverable. And you have everything going for you: you're smart, you're stunningly attractive, and you're the right side of 30. Ugly old blokes who'd have trouble getting a job mopping the floors in McDeath's have got themselves out of worse messes. For a start, you had the presence of mind not to go back to injecting. That's a good sign. It means that deep down, you do care about the outcome.

There's no way you can get yourself properly free before tomorrow's interview. So the next best thing is going to have to be to get yourself as stable as you can, however you can. The fact that you've been an addict in the past is actually working in your favour, too you already know how to perform while on drugs. Street gear is better than nothing, for this. If you can get hold of any meth (any gear dealer who uses probably will be on a prescription, and anyone who is scripted and using probably will have accumulated a stash of green for Just In Case), that might be better; but don't take meth before an interview if you aren't used to it. If push comes to shove, carry a tooter and a square of foil with a beetle already melted onto it, folded up so the beetle will be contained if it breaks loose, inside a cigarette packet; and have a sneaky tootle in the bushes beforehand. Perhaps, tell them you have a really bad stomach infection and are worried about passing it on. At least you won't have any trouble convincing anyone.

Survive this bit, and then think about getting back on the wagon.

As for the book launch, well, they won't want to waste a good set of master printing plates if they have made them already; it's highly unlikely to be cancelled altogether. Authors are allowed a bit of Artistic Stress; it's practically expected nowadays. And if it sparks any salacious gossip, the publishers are going to love that (and most likely will even have pre-prepared statements of rebuttal for any allegations).
 
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