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EADD Heroin discussion v.20 -- You've come a long way baby

thanks mate, being with a user/ex user takes a special person my gf has never used, i got the taste for it after being with her a few years. i lied for a year she knew i kept calling her mad and using every trick in the book, i was lying to myself and her. when i told her she took it as well as you could after i basically made her question her sanity, she stood by me, helped best she could and tries to understand, but at the end of the day she doesn't totally grasp it , and when am struggling like now cant say am itching and mentally suffering totally wouldn't understand and would be thinking am due to fuck off on a bender dont want that, just a little smoke to keep sane
 
fightingthetoot said:
thanks mate, being with a user/ex user takes a special person my gf has never used, i got the taste for it after being with her a few years. i lied for a year she knew i kept calling her mad and using every trick in the book, i was lying to myself and her. when i told her she took it as well as you could after i basically made her question her sanity, she stood by me, helped best she could and tries to understand, but at the end of the day she doesn't totally grasp it , and when am struggling like now cant say am itching and mentally suffering totally wouldn't understand and would be thinking am due to fuck off on a bender dont want that, just a little smoke to keep sane
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I get you, even now and wor lass will be about 17 years clean and we both know that part of her life is over, especially as we have kids, she;s said if ever I have anything in and it would be oxynorm 20's usually not to tell her. we both know its not rational, but its real.
 
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17 year that is a wonderful thing mate, should be proud! it is certainly not rational, but defiantly real and soul destorying, for me i think they demons will be always there so 17 year is a awesome feat.
 
fightingthetoot said:
17 year that is a wonderful thing mate, should be proud! it is certainly not rational, but defiantly real and soul destorying, for me i think they demons will be always there so 17 year is a awesome feat.
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Welcome to Bluelight mate...

Stick around, they're a good bunch of folks here....

And keep fighting the toot!!!...one day at a time :)
 
englandgz74 said:
Welcome to Bluelight mate...

Stick around, they're a good bunch of folks here....

And keep fighting the toot!!!...one day at a time :)
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thanks buddy, yes it does seem like good folk, people who are there, or where there and everything in-between i hope to stick around fella'
 
@englandz - thanks for your kind words the other day , i wrote a long reply then it dissapeared grrrrrrrr. I do have a fairly good knowledge of most drugs bar RC's and have helped save people both in a practical sense but also by HR conversations usually about dose and mixing various bits n bobs, when i was younger i wanted to go in to counceling for drug users as I seemed to attract people anyway who would unload on me, but still using even now at my ripe old age puts the kibosh on that, but passing on information on here helps, I hope, and even if one person stops themselves getting screwed or thinks about a quick detox then it's worth the while.
I admire your resilience in coming of 'done but I'm sure I dont need to tell you that you could have quite a few weeks of WD's and then PAWS will no doubt kick in - which is when alot of people relapse (if you get near that and want to PM for some support....).

Iv'e mentioned it on here before (I think) but in a book I read -Diary of an opium fiend(I think) he uses a method of day 1, 20 units of gear day 2, 19 of gear 1 of coke day three, 18 of gear 2 of coke etc etc until its just 20 of coke. Trouble is i dont have that book now and im not sure it was in that one either or if it worked damn my memory ; but interesting proposition.

Im trying to stay on a regime of .2 in the morning and same in the evening it does increase sometimes - Maybe after 30 odd years i'm actually getting bored of heroin but that feeling of ennui gets displaced after a week or so off it and now its back to the same price and quality and easy to procure, makes it even more difficult. Got my birthday on monday and want to be 'clean' this weekend for the family so will go on the phy tabs sat - thats weird as well as when i have to do this every now and again its almost a relief that I can chuck down some pills and be done with it rather than burn foil for 1/2 an hour or so but like above that feeling wears off as the desire increases (those Buhdists got it right desire is the root of all misery).
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
^ couldn't open the link due to my stupid phone, but it is well known that there are opiate receptors in the gut - hence the efficacy of loperamide when in WDs. I'm guessing this article is related to that?
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It doesn't really work like that. There are opiate receptors in the brain and in the gut. Most opiates (e.g. heroin). Have an efficacy for both....hence you get high and constipated. Lope has weak efficacy for the receptors in the brain due to it being pumped back out of the BBB almost instantly but has high efficacy for the opiate receptors in the gut.....hence you don't get high but do get bunged up. There are opiate re eptors elsewhere in the body too but I forget and cant be arsed to look it up.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
^ couldn't open the link due to my stupid phone, but it is well known that there are opiate receptors in the gut - hence the efficacy of loperamide when in WDs. I'm guessing this article is related to that?
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nah ...to do with bacteria. Having receptors doesn't mean that that part of the body produces the chemicals that bind to it.
 
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