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felix said:
What if, what if, what if...

It's on all of us to do our bit to refute incorrect information. Nobody says this place is perfect, and the weight of the world is not on anyone's shoulders. But the more of us contribute, the more effective the site's HR function works.

If you see something dodgy and don't have time to respond, hit the Report button and let the mods have a look at it with some urgency. :)

p.s. About a hundred members of staff on BL have access to every Report that's made, btw.
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I did hit the report button straight away and I was decides it was "better" to leave it up. That in itself was my prompt to dispatch my toys from my perambulator and fuck off.

Never mind though. Its done now and I the past. I'm back now and will continue do everything in my power to help promote the hr message and refute sfhpid harmfu info....

but I'm far, far, far from a fountain of knowledge. I'm a mere paramedic with an interest in promoting harm reduction in drug use. We all need to be on the ball and contribute to the hr message. Thankfully there are some very knowledgeable people here who do just that. As you say its far from perfect and we all have to help...thats pretty much why I decided to come bac since staying away isn't gonna help..

StIll pissed off the the fucking postie hasnt delivered. My DVD though (it really was a DVD. Btw).
 
I think that I may need to edit my post that I made in support, then. I thought harmful / mus-misinformation edited out. So I best edit that out later sometime. I do see, in a way how leaving misinformation can be useful in illustrating the misconceptions if the harmful (mis)information is point out by other posters in the thread.

Evey
 
There is a point to be made when someone makes a decision based on a single advice on an internet forun, anonymous too... meaning if i want to take drug A for instance, i dont just read up the first post on it and leave it at that... if theres nothing on it, then its probably shit, or unsafe or both. It s all about opinion on the internet, and one must understand that not all on the internet is or must be right.
dangerous activities are just that, and we can only try to minimize the risks and harms. Total safety ssadly feels a bit utopian
 
I should of explained in a PM to you my reason for leaving the post you reported up. I forget now if I said so in the thread but it was because numerous posts followed it explaining why not to do as they said which would of lost even more HR in the process had I deleted it..

Glad you're back anyway bud :)
 
ScotchMist said:
I should of explained in a PM to you my reason for leaving the post you reported up. I forget now if I said so in the thread but it was because numerous posts followed it explaining why not to do as they said which would of lost even more HR in the process had I deleted it..

Glad you're back anyway bud :)
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Personally, I think that makes perfect sense because if, say, anyone IRL were to give similar harmful advice, then the poster-in-question will have a note of the reasons n possible consequences as to why not to do things that partular way. Also what may seem a safety method may be seen as harmful method to another n vice versa. I wont state the method I'm thinking of, as it'll stem another debate / argument n it's not the place.

But that's what so ace about Bluelight - the wealth of information from a vast amount of people, along with the different approaches n viewpoints.

There was a quote once that applies; "Take what you want n leave the rest!"

Evey
 
No worries scotchy...you've a good mod, a top bloke and someone who I consider a friend.....so I'm not annoyed at you personal mate..not in the least....my (probably illogical) annoyance was with BL in general...not with any mod in particular.

But like I said before I don't hold grudges and am glad to be back. What got me so mad was you just couldn't reason with him..i mean I tried to point I was a paramedic who had seen first had the effects of bad injection practice, maxalife tried to point out that he had worked in a micro biology lab and knew a lot about bacterial and other contaminates in solutions and how that while micron filters were helpful they didn't make the solution especially safe...especially for IM which is probably the worse ROA for impure solutions. As the drug just sits there fit a while (with depot injections part of it can sit there for months) any way our advice and professions were just ridiculed.....

You know the reasons I come here mate and the shear frustration was to much to bear. I felt the HR message had been totally lost....it wasn't just that this guy was offering his personal experience...he was touting his bollocks as fact and that got to me as my refuting his shit was going nowhere.

But never mind mate....im back back now...hows tricks with you? Everything still cool with the Mrs?

Much love ❤ ❤ ❤������
 
The thing about arguing on the internet - especially if you're in the right - is that it's unrealistic to expect everyone to back down and admit they were wrong.

The thread in question was (somewhat paradoxically) a good example of HR in action. Anyone reading it would have easily gathered who was wrong and who knew what they were talking about. :)
 
englandgz74 said:
Well I guess I couldn't stay away haha!!

Thank you so much for the kind words. Maybe I over reacted the other day but that prick made me so mad. Pretty much the only reason I'm here is to try to help promote harm reduction and hopefully stop someone from hurting themselves and when people post ridiculous stuff like that guy (and its allowed to stay up) it just made me think that maybe the hr message is lost completely.......BUT perhaps I was being unreasonable. Most of the folkss here...like 95% are lovely kind decent people but any board is a subset of society and there will be idiots.... I just need to learn to deal with it better (that prick was something else though lol!!��)

The thing is when people say..."oh that could kill you" or the like its an abstract concept to most people but when you've knelt over people laying stone dead in a puddle of their own piss, blood and puke with their family and little kids screaming their heads off while you try to jump start their daddy's heart back to life or search desperately for a vein to give adrenalin and fluid and their is non cos he's. Ruined then all with terrible injection. Technique in isnt abstract any more its real. The concept of hr becomes more meaningful. As most know other than my prescribed stuff and occasional roids I'm not a drug user but i believe every human has sovereignty over their own body to do what they want providing they don't hurt anyone else. Howeverofen hurting ones self is hurting someone else so safety and good knowledge of what one is doing is vital.

Apart from the hr stuff i miss talking to the lovely people on here...Felix, Kate, julie, mdb, max, scotchy, blondin, fg,fibar inflo, Dan and all the other folk ive missed so i thought maybe i was being silly chucking my toys out the pram (but if that guy was facing ne in real life i would have knocked the cunt out.....of course i would have brought him round again and took him to a&e for a check up afterwards though hahaha!!!).

Anyway i can stay long I'm just on a break (we've had to go to Sunderland station so my mate can get some new pants as some insensitive clod has bled all over them!!!!).

Well take care folks ill be back soon...oh and Felix that cd didn't arrive but my friend posted me a letter days ago and that hasn't arrived either.....i think there is a problem with the post....hopefully ill get it soon...thanks mate and happy birthday for the other day.

Other news (this guy is gonna be ages changing his pants as i think he fancies the lass in the stores). I'm having another go at CTing my methadone.....on day 5 (again). but got some clonidine, pregabalin and hopefully so e diazepam tomorrow or Saturday and a strong mental will to succeed and itz not as bad this time....
Much love folks
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Even if only 1% listen, surely that still makes it worth it? You can't save everyone but making a difference is still a difference :)
 
I'm doing good thanks Englandz, on most fronts. Best in a long while actually. Thanks for the kind words <3.Hope things are on the up for you.. :)

What Ponch said is spot on. The amount of visiting traffic through this site out weighs the posting population vastly so it's ever so important that dangerous comments are countered and yours carry even more weight due to your profession.
 
Ok don't snap my head off here but maybe he got his back up with you saying you're a paramedic, maybe he felt that he de-valued his experience n input, combined with possibly jealousy n thus reacted how he did.

As I've said to you, both on E-mail n publicly, your contribution here is valuable, wanted n needed - however, some people may feel threatened by it, they may feel like their input n or experience isn't as valued as that from a profesdional. I'm not saying that this is the case just that it's a possibility.

You're going to come acrosd people, people are going to argue, try to de-value the things you say, not give PRO-HR information. What is important is that you're helping, you know that your aim is to help n send out the HR message.

From personal experience, my advice to you would be to either temp / perma ignore anyone who is winding you up, walk away for an hour or so n have a confident that you can have a good bitch about whoever's upset you - that way you're not teacting to the other person. Took me a long time to realise this.

As long as YOU know that your intentions are honourable, the people here who care about you know it n that people take on the HR info in order to keep them safe then that's what truly matters.

Sorry for going on, I'm not very good at phrasing things n it often comes out wrong.

Take care n keep doing what you're doing - you're ace.

Evey
 
Glad to see you back, dude - but please, please, PLEASE, can we move on now? We get it. Really, we do.
 
kingme said:
A little opposition then can be a source of learning, wouldnt you say?
i do hope you stick around :)
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so true !!!!

I hope you stay too. There can be, misunderstandings, dramas, and personality clashes at times in here but isn't that life?

Youre right in saying its a little microcosm of society though I think.

N
 
curious_24 said:
Glad to see you back, dude - but please, please, PLEASE, can we move on now? We get it. Really, we do.
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Actually no. I didn't start the thread and any posts of mine talking about the incident on question have just been responses to my friends asking why I left. I haven't been purposefully bringing up the subject in order to drag it out. I think the thread itself serves a useful purpose in debating what is the best method available to for dispensing harm reduction information and how to respond to harmful information being disseminated into the wider domain.

The concept of harm reduction and the propagation of it is surely the point of the forum and a discussion of how to do this is important. I've answered the question of why I pwrsonally left but the overriding topic of HR and how to dispense it is of crucial importance.

Plus its limited to this thread so you can always ignore it. &#55357;&#56835;
 
ponch said:
Even if only 1% listen, surely that still makes it worth it? You can't save everyone but making a difference is still a difference :)
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This is very, very true. I spiel my spiel on the less-glamorous aspects of addiction endlessly and is mostly ignored - and indeed refuted by those who are either yet to get there or deep in denial of being there - and it would become disheartening if it weren't for the occasional PM from persons known or (mostly) unknown informing me that something said had struck enough of a chord to either spur action to start climbing out of that hole or to say a different path had been taken when at a crossroads upon seeing something said.

There can be no such thing as "Harm Elimination" but there very definitely is such a thing as Harm Reduction and - from personal experience - those occasional instances make it all more than worthwhile.
 
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