Alcohol Is my alcohol consumption considered moderate & alcoholic?

[purplehaze147]

Thanks for the replys. I'm gonna try to not drink a all for a week. I know addiction is a progressive disease, 3 beers a day will probably turn into 6 & the 12 if I don't get myself straightened out. I do have somewhat of an addictive personality, with opiates & weed at least.

 

[Nom de Plume]

I lied. That wasn't really my last and final comment. But this one is, in all sincerity.

A standard drink is 12 ounces of 5% alc/vol beer, 5 ounces of 12% wine, 1.5 ounces of 40% liquor, etc. or about 14 grams of pure ethyl alcohol. How hard is that to understand?

There's no difficulty in apprehension. There is, though it clearly seems, a profound and apparently incurable difficulty with agreement among the sizeable body of soi-disant beverage-measuring mavens and self-appointed arbiters of alcoholic drink sizes.

Moreover, there's also a staggeringly severe malfunction in your ability to conduct a three-word Google search, look no further than the first half of page 1 of the results, and uncover this fact for yourself. For God's sake, Wikipedia's article on the standard sizes for alcoholic beverages even mentions this in the first six words of the page's first sentence (where it's defined as a "notional drink").

 

[keeping]

i like to tell people my drinking is 'on the upper end of social', but we all know it goes beyond that.

 

[when I dream]

There's no difficulty in apprehension. There is, though it clearly seems, a profound and apparently incurable difficulty with agreement among the sizeable body of soi-disant beverage-measuring mavens and self-appointed arbiters of alcoholic drink sizes.

Nope, there's no disagreement, that is the standard size. Always has been and most likely always will be.

Moreover, there's also a staggeringly severe malfunction in your ability to conduct a three-word Google search, look no further than the first half of page 1 of the results, and uncover this fact for yourself. For God's sake, Wikipedia's article on the standard sizes for alcoholic beverages even mentions this in the first six words of the page's first sentence (where it's defined as a "notional drink").

Do you think I just know that information off the top of my head or something? I used a google search to find it, just like you should of in the first place.

 

[jake559]

Your fine. I would worry about being an alcoholic if you need and crave it.
I am an alcoholic and it sucks.
I drink almost every day, and will drink a whole 12 pk of beers to myself.
I drink by myself most of the time, and if i have had a extreamly bad day i will try to drink myself to death.
That's more of a way to say i wont stop drinking till i black out

 

[Bearlove]

So, according to your definition, this standard is essentially a formalization of “most people's“ arbitrary conception of a day's worth of alcohol. And the criterion for which is a set of amorphous, intangible units of measure (e.g., cup, glass, bottle, shot—precisely what quantity is supposed to be represented by each of these nebulous terms is anybody's guess). Is that a fair interpretation? Seems kind of, so to say, unscientific.

Heresy. The only drink arguably not inferior to a flagon of Courvoisier, I submit, is more than one flagon of Courvoisier.

If you actually interested in this - please check the bars serving guides for the measures that I stated, glass of wine, bottle of beer, a shot - look for the standard single measure. Most people would see a standard drink of champagne to be a glass - not many would see drinking a magnum of the stuff as a standard drink.

I was not conducting a scientific experiment - I was talking in general based on bar measures.

You could have taken a second to think about that before starting a post in such an inflammatory way 'What the hell is a standard drink' but as I read more of your posts the more I see this is your posting style.

 

[Nom de Plume]

Standard drink sizes differ from nation to nation. End of discussion.

 

[AgonyAndEcstasy781]

Standard drink sizes differ from nation to nation. End of discussion.

Weren't you the guy saying you start your day by taking a piss and then immediately commencing to drink? Your posts have a bizarre, surreal, inflammatory quality to them and you seem obsessed with justifying your alcohol intake. I don't even knew if you're kidding or not sometimes.

I'd lay off the sauce for a while, judging by your posts and your alcohol intake you're well on your way to damaging yourself. Wanna see what chronic alcoholism gets you?

Drugged - High On Alcohol:

http://youtu.be/_dJ97Vwoup4

 

[Nom de Plume]

Weren't you the guy saying you start your day by taking a piss and then immediately commencing to drink?

I'm him! But my remark was facetious, man. The point was to illustrate that I drink quite a bit, and without any consideration to the time of day. Why? Well, without sounding too nauseatingly saccharine and pitifully emotional, one may think that I like to drink because I dislike not drinking.

Oh, and the libation's pot-vivant effect is greatly potentiated when experienced by the a psychopathologically worrisome winebibber; on par with onanism, easily.

Your posts have a bizarre, surreal, inflammatory quality to them and you seem obsessed with justifying your alcohol intake. I don't even knew if you're kidding or not sometimes.

I would say that a majority of my posts I've ever submitted on BL were indited whilst drunk, high on some other downer (e.g., benzodiazepines, barbiturates, quinazolinones, and/or a gallimaufry of other pharmacologically-similar, yet chemically distinct, medicaments), or, usually, both.

I'd lay off the sauce for a while, judging by your posts and your alcohol intake you're well on your way to damaging yourself.

What you would, wouldn't, or might do is your own prerogative, führer. I was a damaged neurotic before the drugs. With the drugs, I'm only a depraved dipsomaniac.

Wanna see what chronic alcoholism gets you?

No, but I've got a disquieting feeling you'll still tell me. *Yawn*, another unsolicited pious harangue, another loathsome day. Where's my drink? May I at least have a few shots before you kill my buzz and scold me dead, Chairman?

http://youtu.be/_dJ97Vwoup4

Have you ever heard that song, 'From Here to Eternity', by Giorgio Moroder? Or 20/20's song, 'Yellow Pills'? Great songs, man. That's the salubrious effect downers (to wit: GABAA recepter agonists and positive allosteric modulators) give me, only not in song form.

I don't need to be patronised, castigated, admonished, punished, pitied, disdained, and most especial of all, helped. I am not some drowning dumbass who slipped and fell into a pool of liquor, desperately wanting you to toss me a life jacket or flotation device.

My life is and has no ever been a life worth the energy, time, and reason to endeavor living. I have been plagued by severe anxiety, chronic insomnia, agoraphobia, OCD, a pastiche of pangs and , etc etc etc. Years of therapy (from an 8yr old to now—less than a month shy of my 21st birthday), SSRIs, good sleep hygiene, mindfulness, meditation, religion—I've tried and am trying them all. The effectiveness is nowhere to be seen.

I've asked God for his aid, but alas, dis aliter visum. Otherwise there's no personal God(s) (or Gods at all) to beseech, or he's deaf or apathetic.
What has worked most? Unsurprisingly, concomitant administration of anxiolytics and somnifacients. Why must my life be in a state of abject misery because you, and too many others, think their own ideas of risk vs reward are objective enough to force feed to others?

I'm not you (thank God!), so I would be obliged if you'd attempt not to be so hubristic and supercilious to think your notions and experiences are more important or valid than my own. I find it grotesque and impudent. And redolent of an officious, prudent nanny that won't shut the fuck up and leave me to be myself.

 

[AgonyAndEcstasy781]

I feel for you man, not trying to be judgemental. You seem very intelligent, and I can relate to living a tortured existence that only seems to be remedied through drugs and alcohol. I shouldnt have come off that way, you're right, I've struggled all my life with similar issues, and I'm sure you're aware of the dangers here.

I went through a period of heavy alcohol use while on methadone maintenance, like 12 beers a day. It was brutal, id wake up shaking and sweating, confused and scared until i got a drink in me. I had to remain sober until after visiting the clinic as I was given daily breathalyzers. It was one od the most brutal addictions I've experienced, it was more frightening than heroin or methadone withdrawal. It also wreaked havoc on my body, mu blood pressure and pulse were sky high, and i once had to take valium in order to pass a physical for work - i had failed the first one due to my unhealthy vitals. I gained a ton of weight and it crippled my life totally.

Alcoholism is just so damaging, it's truly sad what it does to people.

 

[Nom de Plume]

I feel for you man, not trying to be judgemental. You seem very intelligent, and I can relate to living a tortured existence that only seems to be remedied through drugs and alcohol. I shouldnt have come off that way, you're right, I've struggled all my life with similar issues, and I'm sure you're aware of the dangers here.

I went through a period of heavy alcohol use while on methadone maintenance, like 12 beers a day. It was brutal, id wake up shaking and sweating, confused and scared until i got a drink in me. I had to remain sober until after visiting the clinic as I was given daily breathalyzers. It was one od the most brutal addictions I've experienced, it was more frightening than heroin or methadone withdrawal. It also wreaked havoc on my body, mu blood pressure and pulse were sky high, and i once had to take valium in order to pass a physical for work - i had failed the first one due to my unhealthy vitals. I gained a ton of weight and it crippled my life totally.

Alcoholism is just so damaging, it's truly sad what it does to people.

I sincerely appreciate your unfortunately uncommon qualities,:empathy and sympathy for someone apart from yourself. I drunk and drinking right this moment, you should now—Vodka on the rocks within a ½ L, jar with a bendy straw (though I do appreciate most of all a few consecutive snifters brimming of the choicest cognac, when I can afford it).

I feel great whilst inebriated. My use of language is superb; my woes dessiccate into nothingness; I can effortlessly get laid by any girl of my choice; my OCD is rendered nonexistent; I can conversed with complete strangers without selective mutism; and so on and so forth. Why must I stop rapaciously quaffing booze if you, orr anyone , has a sober alternative to proffer?

Rehab is a multi-billion dollar per annum industry. If I were to spontaneously become sober and clean, how many billions would these avaricious, money-motivated, sobriety-proting profiteers stand to lose? The game is not to recover drug and drink addicts, but to keep them coming back, as with any business or industrial complex

I do apologize if my spelling and grammar is inaccurate. I had just insufflated two lines of PCP less than 20 minutes ago and it tends to havebthaybeffect

 

[Black]

By the way I've seen on the news that moderate drinking is actually healthy, it said people who drink moderately are less likely to run into health problems than people who don't drink or alcoholics.

drinking something like 2-4 glasses of red wine per week slightly decreases your risk for having a heart attack, but that is offset by increasing your risk of various cancers. once you go above that amount the risks rise quickly while the benefits disappear.

the statistics that actually show more health issues for non-drinkers fail to account for the fact that people with preexisting conditions drink less alcohol because of said health issues (or incompatibilities of medication with alcohol). there is no healthy dose of ethanol.

 

[Crashing]

I lied. That wasn't really my last and final comment. But this one is, in all sincerity.



There's no difficulty in apprehension. There is, though it clearly seems, a profound and apparently incurable difficulty with agreement among the sizeable body of soi-disant beverage-measuring mavens and self-appointed arbiters of alcoholic drink sizes.

Moreover, there's also a staggeringly severe malfunction in your ability to conduct a three-word Google search, look no further than the first half of page 1 of the results, and uncover this fact for yourself. For God's sake, Wikipedia's article on the standard sizes for alcoholic beverages even mentions this in the first six words of the page's first sentence (where it's defined as a "notional drink").

Lol, you're right.

I can't believe it.

OP, your drinking habits would be considered alcoholism in my book. I highly doubt you're anywhere near dependent on it though, so try and cut back.

 

[AgonyAndEcstasy781]

I think the problem with any long-term alcohol consumption is that it's literally a poison to every organ in your body. Technically all drugs are but alcohol is so nonspecific in its action on the body and brain that it's hard to separate the intoxication it causes from the damage it does.

At least with benzos or opiates, you aren't causing damage to your internal organs. Alcohol slowly destroys your brain through B12 depletion and by shrinking the brain mass. It scars the liver and inflames the pancreas. It prevents the tissues from healing properly and prevents nutrients from being metabolized properly.

Even the effects of alcohol are shockingly sloppy and nonspecific. Along with the euphoria it produces a lack of judgement, slurring and stumbling, and is just as likely to cause you to fly into a rage as to relax you. Even the relaxation it causes tends to result from a general numbness to your surroundings and emotion rather than any true euphoria.

The cost-benefit analysis just seems so poor compared to almost any other psychotropic substance. Not to mention all the empty calories. However its such a convenient drug, readily available everywhere in the world, and such a part of social convention that people cling to it despite thr damage it does to the mind, body, and to society.

 

[AgonyAndEcstasy781]

No, but I've got a disquieting feeling you'll still tell me. *Yawn*, another unsolicited pious harangue, another loathsome day. Where's my drink? May I at least have a few shots before you kill my buzz and scold me dead, Chairman?

I don't need to be patronised, castigated, admonished, punished, pitied, disdained, and most especial of all, helped. I am not some drowning dumbass who slipped and fell into a pool of liquor, desperately wanting you to toss me a life jacket or flotation device.

Fucking hilarious by the way! I don't drink anymore but I bet you'd be a riot to get drunk with...

 

[keeping]

Your fine. I would worry about being an alcoholic if you need and crave it.
I am an alcoholic and it sucks.
I drink almost every day, and will drink a whole 12 pk of beers to myself.
I drink by myself most of the time, and if i have had a extreamly bad day i will try to drink myself to death.
That's more of a way to say i wont stop drinking till i black out

do you get hangovers? or just stay drunk?

 

[LeftAndLeft]

Quantity of consumption is a poor indicator of addiction.

I've been drinking since I was a child (my stepfather encouraged me to get drunk at four years of age, and I was always allowed a drink whenever I wanted one, as long as I was reasonable). As an adult, I drink quite a bit almost every night, but I'm not an alcoholic. I have zero cravings. I have no trouble cutting back or stopping when there's a reason to do so. I almost never even think about alcohol until the habitual time in the evening at which I pour my ritualistic drink comes along; the idea of drinking before that time actually produces a feeling of nausea in me. I only get drunk one or two times per year, because that doesn't interest me. That's how booze has always been for me, and I can't imagine it changing after a good 25 years of watching the pattern develop.

Meanwhile, opiates owned my soul the first time I nodded, and did a lot to pull my veins from my body before that point. I never used them daily, never used high doses, stopped. When I was using, I had trouble getting out of bed without them, and would dangle them in front of me like a carrot to accomplish anything at all. And they still own me. My life is complete fucking hell without them. If I didn't think I'd eventually get them again, I'm fairly certain I would kill myself. Life's just not worth it anymore.

I was quite happy and stable before I let myself indulge.

Shit happens.

But I really don't think it's how much you use. If you're attached, using more will obviously make things progress more quickly, but that's where the correlation comes in. If you're genuinely not attached, you'll be fine. The trick is figuring out whether you're attached or not before it's too late.

 

[DrinksWithEvil]

I drink a 5th a day wish was drinking so little

 

[AgonyAndEcstasy781]

Quantity of consumption is a poor indicator of addiction.

I've been drinking since I was a child (my stepfather encouraged me to get drunk at four years of age, and I was always allowed a drink whenever I wanted one, as long as I was reasonable). As an adult, I drink quite a bit almost every night, but I'm not an alcoholic. I have zero cravings. I have no trouble cutting back or stopping when there's a reason to do so. I almost never even think about alcohol until the habitual time in the evening at which I pour my ritualistic drink comes along; the idea of drinking before that time actually produces a feeling of nausea in me. I only get drunk one or two times per year, because that doesn't interest me. That's how booze has always been for me, and I can't imagine it changing after a good 25 years of watching the pattern develop.

Meanwhile, opiates owned my soul the first time I nodded, and did a lot to pull my veins from my body before that point. I never used them daily, never used high doses, stopped. When I was using, I had trouble getting out of bed without them, and would dangle them in front of me like a carrot to accomplish anything at all. And they still own me. My life is complete fucking hell without them. If I didn't think I'd eventually get them again, I'm fairly certain I would kill myself. Life's just not worth it anymore.

I was quite happy and stable before I let myself indulge.

Shit happens.

But I really don't think it's how much you use. If you're attached, using more will obviously make things progress more quickly, but that's where the correlation comes in. If you're genuinely not attached, you'll be fine. The trick is figuring out whether you're attached or not before it's too late.

May be true, but drinking quite a bit every day still does damage to your body. Opiates may do just as nuch damage by the tolls that a junkie lifestyle takes on your life, but at least they aren't as poisonous to your body as they can be to your soul.

 

[purplehaze147]

I haven't drank any alcohol now for almost a week (6 days). I think I'll stay away from it too except in social settings where drinking is happening. I feel better without it. I'm surprised I felt absolutely no withdrawal after almost a month binge. People say alcohol withdrawal is worse than Heroin withdrawal, that's a bunch of bullshit. I tried stopping dope after only doing it 2 weeks & it was so terribly uncomfortable I moaned & cried all night on day 3 without it. It's the most uncomfortable thing I've felt wayyy worse than the flu.