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RC's or street drugs?

hey captainkratom! fancy seeing you around :)
it's really unfortunate that something so intense happened from a single mistake. i think it was a good thing for the medical field and whatnot for people studying parkinson's but that would be beyond scary being one of those people it affected that way. i love documentaries so much, i'll keep an eye out for that one. was the chem student trying to synthesize an RC when the mistake happened? something he was using for himself? i'm not sure how it got out into the public as heroin.
 
Hey AR :)

The dude was a piece of crap, he was synthesizing MPPP and selling it as heroin. MPPP is an opioid derived from pethidine, another opioid used in the medical field. He got careless during one of his synths and whipped up a batch with the MPTP impurity unknowingly and a small batch was released to the public. Only 7 people got ahold of the batch, the users were found frozen solid like statues with symptoms resembling catatonic schizophrenia.

A link was later made when the batch of "heroin" was discovered and tested. It's definitely unfortunate, the dude was a real scumbag but he late died of a cocaine overdose. The documentary is good... sad but good nonetheless, but it's also very old school. It's on youtube I think. You can also read a little bit about it here if your interested... now it's off to bed, goodnight.
http://mmcneuro.wordpress.com/tag/barry-kidston/
 
Street drugs because I've had no luck with the few RCs I've tried.
My worst trips ever were on RCs. So I'll just stick to stuff that has predictable effects.
 
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I'd be so beyond nervous using RCs as they've had limited testing by the public. I'd be concerned about dosing correctly.

Street drugs have been around for a LONG LONG time. Heroin, cocaine, marijuana have all been around for 100+ years.
 
When I think about all of the random untested drugs that I consumed as a teenager it makes me wonder just what it was I was taking in the first place. I can honestly say I have eaten over one hundred tabs of "LSD" and countless "MDMA" pills but now that I am more informed realize that I have no clue what I was taking at after all of these years.

The only real RC's I have tried for certain is MXE which I enjoy thoroughly and Etizolam that I use daily even though technically it is not an actual research chemical. Obviously the key is to have a vendor you know you can trust. If I were to use drugs bought from the street I would want to test them first to make sure it is what it is supposed to be.
 
LSD and MDMA are definitely two of the most common that envoke almost annoying amounts of druggie cynicism. It's understandable I suppose, definitely understandable, but it's still annoying.

I mean chances are if you eat some piece of tasteless blotter paper and go on your standard 10 to 12 hour trip with "the usual" (as incredibly difficult to determine as that may be with psychedelic drugs), you consumed LSD. It's not some rare and beautiful unicorn that's never been seen in real life...but at the same time I understand why people are skeptical, especially in regards to something like drugs.

CK: that's a pretty interesting and disturbing case. That guy was indeed a real piece of shit, good god
 
Oh ya, I saw that docutmentry about the frozen addidcts...did it take place in England in the 80's??? I thought they eneded up being okay agian, or were they stuck like that forever???? But I've never tried RC's except JWH-18,73 when spice first came out and some other canibinoids that were in some blends(people still sell them in the hood here,super fucking strong I would never take more than a hit at a time,maybe two) and etizolam, but I wouldn't really condider that an RC...All these stimulants kinda just freak me out, they just pop out one after the other, so do the canibinoids that pop out one after the other...only thing I'm interested in are some of the Psy's like DOC and LSD analougse, and that 5-ampb I think it's called,closest thing they say is like MDMA??? And the benzo's for anxiety control, but they took etizolam away in my state so I'm trying to figure out what to go with next on that one....Until they come out with a good opiate besides the fent analouges the RC Market doesn't really interest me...and if that happened it would just be taken away too quick anyway.
 
Street drugs all the way. Cheap, effective, safe (if you're getting pharms, not so much w/ other shit). I haven't had an RC that beats any of the street drugs I get, 'cept the synth cannabanoids, they have some properties that I prefer more than Cannabis, such as getting the liquid k2 and putting it in my vape pen. I know people do that with weed but I have no fucking idea where to get "hash oil" or w/e. Not a real big weed guy, never was even when I smoked all day everyday.
 
Oh ya, I saw that docutmentry about the frozen addidcts...did it take place in England in the 80's??? I thought they eneded up being okay agian, or were they stuck like that forever????
Southern California, only two of them were able to make a semi-recovery with some sort of brain operation. There's a follow up documentary called "brain transplant" filmed in '92.
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Both, there's alot of RC's I prefer to street drugs... I'd rather have 4-ho-met or 4-aco-dmt over shrooms, 6-apb or 6-apdb over MDMA, 2/4-fa over amphetamine... not to mention the fact that so many RC's are completely unique to other street drugs. aMT is one of my favorite psychedelics and there's just no street drug like it, just like there's nothing like 5-meo-mipt. I can actually go on and on about RC's I'd rather have over street drugs, but why when I can have both =D.

Alot of people who don't look into RC's assume they all have an unknown safety profile, but quite a few of these drugs have been studied and used by humans for decades with little problem (albeit alot of these are psychedelics)... only teetering between a research chemical and a street drug by their popularity. Many of them are even coming straight off medical patents. ourse, however, there are quite a few RC's that are new territory. This is because the one's with reasonable data get banned and greedy RC companies start treading new waters.

The psychedelic RC's with the exception of a few phenethylamines have proven extremely safe, safer than alot of street drugs. I don't think there's been a single death from the 4-sub tryptamines and alot of them have been around from the 80's or longer. DOM, 2c-b, and aMT as well as many others shouldn't even be RC's anymore, as they've been studied pretty well... the latter even being prescribed as an antidepressant.

With that said there are some drugs RC's will never replace. Opioids are pretty much safe against all shite RC opioids, and I'll take ketamine over MXE any day of the week. I also can't stand disgusting, potentially toxic cannabinoids when I can just head to the dispensary and pick up something that actually tastes and smells good, all while having one of the best recorded safety profiles of any drug. I'm aware this isn't possible for everyone, nor is being able to smoke and keep your job.

When people start treating RC's as unique drugs rather than something solely to mimic another, you begin to appreciate them for what they are. This post shouldn't be taken as green light to start using RC's if you don't though, please do research on any RC you plan on ingesting.
 
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Hey AR :)

The dude was a piece of crap, he was synthesizing MPPP and selling it as heroin. MPPP is an opioid derived from pethidine, another opioid used in the medical field. He got careless during one of his synths and whipped up a batch with the MPTP impurity unknowingly and a small batch was released to the public. Only 7 people got ahold of the batch, the users were found frozen solid like statues with symptoms resembling catatonic schizophrenia.

A link was later made when the batch of "heroin" was discovered and tested. It's definitely unfortunate, the dude was a real scumbag but he late died of a cocaine overdose. The documentary is good... sad but good nonetheless, but it's also very old school. It's on youtube I think. You can also read a little bit about it here if your interested... now it's off to bed, goodnight.
http://mmcneuro.wordpress.com/tag/barry-kidston/

Wow this story is absolutely terrifying.
 
Both carry the risks of getting cut or mixed up, both can be addictive, and both can kill you.
RCs and street drugs are both really broad terms it really depends on which type of drugs you are talking about. I'd take cannabis over synthetic cannabinoids any day. I'd rather just not smoke anything when I have to take breaks because of drug tests. I prefer al-lad over lsd and 4-ho-det over mushrooms though. As far as dissociatives go I prefer ketamine over mxe due to mxe's negative side effects. Most of the RCs I have done and like have done have been around a long time and a far better safety profile than the crap That is popular now. When I do take one; it's one I'm actually interested in rather than any random one to get high on.
 
I think that RC's are by far worse, because they pretend to be clean and legal. People who buy on the street know that the drugs can be cut and will be cautious. With RC's people expect a "clean" product.

Never ordered any RC's and after reading some posts never will order any. I dont want to get some wrong labeld stuff with possible toxic byproducts and the usual drug reagent tests dont work with some of the more obscure Rc's.

Some of the rc's are active in so small doses that they are dangerous to dose. I think some fent analog sold cut on the street as "china white" is way more safer then the pure stuff from the internet.

With all these analog laws its not for 100% sure that there wont be any inivitation by the police or customs in the near future. If they raid a vendor and read out all the customer data, things can become harsh. Its one thing getting busted for a personal amount bought on the street, but its something totaly different getting prosecuted for ordering many times a personal amount.

From a hr perspective i think its in general better to buy from the street. On the street people have to make some personal contact with other people. Reading in forums about how people got fucked by their rc use is something different than dealing with junkies in real life. Its so much easier to order mdpv then going to a crack house. One sees the destructive properties of drugs first person. Scrolling down in a forum and thinking " I will just use once and wont end like the others" is easy, but listening to some junkies and realising that one could easily become like them is not.
 
I think that RC's are by far worse, because they pretend to be clean and legal. People who buy on the street know that the drugs can be cut and will be cautious. With RC's people expect a "clean" product.

Never ordered any RC's and after reading some posts never will order any. I dont want to get some wrong labeld stuff with possible toxic byproducts and the usual drug reagent tests dont work with some of the more obscure Rc's.

Some of the rc's are active in so small doses that they are dangerous to dose. I think some fent analog sold cut on the street as "china white" is way more safer then the pure stuff from the internet.

With all these analog laws its not for 100% sure that there wont be any inivitation by the police or customs in the near future. If they raid a vendor and read out all the customer data, things can become harsh. Its one thing getting busted for a personal amount bought on the street, but its something totaly different getting prosecuted for ordering many times a personal amount.

From a hr perspective i think its in general better to buy from the street. On the street people have to make some personal contact with other people. Reading in forums about how people got fucked by their rc use is something different than dealing with junkies in real life. Its so much easier to order mdpv then going to a crack house. One sees the destructive properties of drugs first person. Scrolling down in a forum and thinking " I will just use once and wont end like the others" is easy, but listening to some junkies and realising that one could easily become like them is not.

No,No,NO people who buy street drugs are some of the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever met in my life.People who are Informed will fair of well with either usually, and those who are morons will manage to fuck themselves up.
 
I think that RC's are by far worse, because they pretend to be clean and legal. People who buy on the street know that the drugs can be cut and will be cautious. With RC's people expect a "clean" product.

Never ordered any RC's and after reading some posts never will order any. I dont want to get some wrong labeld stuff with possible toxic byproducts and the usual drug reagent tests dont work with some of the more obscure Rc's.

Some of the rc's are active in so small doses that they are dangerous to dose. I think some fent analog sold cut on the street as "china white" is way more safer then the pure stuff from the internet.

With all these analog laws its not for 100% sure that there wont be any inivitation by the police or customs in the near future. If they raid a vendor and read out all the customer data, things can become harsh. Its one thing getting busted for a personal amount bought on the street, but its something totaly different getting prosecuted for ordering many times a personal amount.

From a hr perspective i think its in general better to buy from the street. On the street people have to make some personal contact with other people. Reading in forums about how people got fucked by their rc use is something different than dealing with junkies in real life. Its so much easier to order mdpv then going to a crack house. One sees the destructive properties of drugs first person. Scrolling down in a forum and thinking " I will just use once and wont end like the others" is easy, but listening to some junkies and realising that one could easily become like them is not.

Spoken like a person who has never taken an RC in his/her life... Right, potentially uneven fentanyl cut dope is safer than pure to near pure product that can be easily diluted and dosed correctly with half a brain :\. RC vendors have a reputation to keep up, this means that well reviewed vendors will pretty much never sell mislabeled products or word will get out and they lose their reputation... they actually have a huge market to lose as one mistake and all customers will be able to find out. You can't get in contact with all customers of a dealer who ripped you off nor can you get hundreds of reviews on a street dealers history like you can with an RC vendor.

Your local crack fiend will sell you the burnt crusties from his oven as heroin without a second thought. If you encounter any of the problems in your post, your doing it wrong as all this is preventable. I also don't get how meeting with shady people in potentially shady places better for HR than never having to leave your house. If you'd like I can break apart your post to show how all of these things can be easily avoided, if you need help...
 
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Spoken like a person who has never taken an RC in his/her life... Right, potentially uneven fentanyl cut dope is safer than pure to near pure product that can be easily diluted and dosed correctly with half a brain :\. RC vendors have a reputation to keep up, this means that well reviewed vendors will pretty much never sell mislabeled products or word will get out and they lose their reputation... they actually have a huge market to lose as one mistake and all customers will be able to find out. You can't get in contact with all customers of a dealer who ripped you off nor can you get hundreds of reviews on a street dealers history like you can with an RC vendor.

Your local crack fiend will sell you the burnt crusties from his oven as heroin without a second thought. If you encounter any of the problems in your post, your doing it wrong as all this is preventable. I also don't get how meeting with shady people in potentially shady places better for HR than never having to leave your house. If you'd like I can break apart your post to show how all of these things can be easily avoided, if you need help...

Most people vape fent analogs, so diluting doesnt apply.

Street drug dealers have a reputation to lose, too. Sure they are not reviewed on the net, but you have a chance to see and test the product before you buy.

Shady people in shady places sell shady things. A line has to be crossed. I know so much people that dont have a problem with hard street drugs because they are afraid of the scene. They are very curious to try, but avoid, because they are scared of the people. One doesnt has to be smart to realise that crack, heroine etc is dangerous, after seeing and talking to junkies. Street drugs are around for years and people have a chance to learn from the experieneces other people have maid and avoid harm for themself. With all these potent rc's around nobody knows how dangerous they are and how fast they can ruin lives. Nobody has a clue about there long term effects. Still vendors send out samples of novel untested substances, in the hope to get people hooked on them.......... But people think that is great. They lose caution. If a street dealer would offer a sample, everybody would be cautious about it.
 
Umm, so your telling me that you can't make a solution strong enough to add .1ml to foil and vape it once dried? Cuz I've done it many times... You honestly believe people are weighing out micrograms of fent analogues and dosing it that way? (Btw, some fent analogues are dosed in the mgs). Your more likely to get ripped off or get less than what you pay for from a street dealer than a respectable RC dealer, no getting around that. Many RC vendors operate as a business, so you get what you pay for and if anything happens most will gladly replace your package. You have contact with hundreds to thousands of people who use the same vendor, one person makes a complaint and anyone will hear about it. For this reason these vendors wouldn't dare try and pull a fast one... just don't be an idiot and order from some random vendor.

This is the problem with people who know nothing about RC's besides the scaremongering they've heard from other non RC users, they lump all of them together and call them all dangerous despite the fact many of them have demonstrated high safety profiles, have been studied in both animal and human, have been around for decades, and are coming off medical patents. I agree that the new generation of RC's is getting shady at best, but who's telling you that if you have to seek out these new chems in particular? All drugs are RC's at one point... you can't just lump all RC's into one category, it doesn't work like that. Drugs like 4-sub tryptamines, most of the 2c series excluding the sulfuric compounds, RC benzos, as well as the 5-meo series have had no deaths attributed to them, the newer benzos aside, these psychedelics have been around since the 60's... so no, not all RC's have an unknown safety profile, your wrong there... not to mention most deaths attributed to RC's are from reckless use as well as people being sold street drugs unknowingly that we're actually RC's, which led to contraindicated combos and stupid behavior.

How fast a drug can ruin lives is subjective as well, some people can use drug X with no self control issues while another can lose their shit and become a lifeless fiend. Once again, you also can't lump all RC's together... there's RC's that may be more fiendish than meth, and there's RC's that are less fiendish than meth... all dependent on the individual. None eof this even matters however as there's no denying how much drugs like heroin and alcohol can ruin lives. Vendors aren't sending out products to get people "hooked" either, they're sending out products to see if a product has merit as a recreational substance before releasing it onto the market. This typically only applies to new RC's, loyal customers, and those who ask when the vendor has a large stock. Do you honestly believe that street dealers don't want you hooked? Drug dealing is a business, legal or not.

I'll ask again, do you need me to break apart your entire first post to show how all that can be avoided? As a user of both RC's and street drugs, I'll gladly make a good arguement for RC's. Countless RC users have even switched from street drugs to RC's because they actually know what they're getting. Look at the ecstasy market, your gonna tell me that your more likely to get MDMA as ecstasy than you are something like 5-apb from an RC vendor? Also, no you can't just go up to your dealer with a test kit and waste some of his product to test before buying, nor will they all give out a sample nilly willy lol... don't know where you pulled that one out from.

You say people at least know what street drugs are cut with, sorry but you don't... If people can look at ecstasy and guess what it's cut with we wouldn't be running into problems with obscure drugs being used as adulterants. Anything can be used as a cut, there's no strict guidelines for what a cut has to be. Sure, levamisol is a common cut with coke, as is MSM with meth but do you honestly believe these are the only cuts? Take a look at this page (http://www.ecstasydata.org/), your telling me that purchasing MDMA is safer than buying RC's? Your pretty much buying RC's a good chunk of the time only you don't know which ones which leads to overdoses that could have been avoided had you known what the hell you just ingested. Even if you get legit MDMA, or legit LSD, or even legit heroin (or all drugs for that matter) you have no idea of the purity... which can vary hugely.
 
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The thread is about rc vs. street drugs in general, so sadly things have to be lumped to gether at some point.

Its not about what is safer to source. Like mentioned allready by MikeRWK reasonable and informed people - like you - wont have any problems with either, BUT most people in the world of drugs are far away from being informed and reasonable. As there are people buying random branded "bath salts", there are people buying heavily cut or even fake drugs from shady people on the street.

I just tried to point out, for these uniformed and unreasonable people are rc's way more dangerous. These people wont dilute to measure their dose. They will just do a random amount on foil and start vaping.

As you mentioned buying mdmd vs. 5-apb, it depends where you are from. Here in Europe are high quality dutch mdma pills on the market and there are associations that lab test them regular and publish the results. They test for harmful cuts, too. These tested pills are widely available and are cheap. Sticking to them means getting clean legit Mdma. With random powders and crystals its another story .......
 
If you don't live in a country with dumbass analogue laws and "emergency bans", RC's are hugely advantageous over "street drugs". Granted you have a good source (ie. who can provide lab analysis proof of the purity of their product), you're getting EXTREMELY high purity product (which is very rare on the streets) delivered straight to your letter box.

Once you have one or several reliable sources, you're 99.9% insured you will get your product: when was the last time your coke dealer gave you an 8 ball for free, because the cops busted you with the one they had just sold ya.

I've allways got 1 gram of x or y RC, not 0.8g's from a street dealer "yeah but it's coz it's really high grade stuff....8)"

9 times out of 10 when ordering RC's, if you plan a little in advance, you're sure to have your stuff in time for whatever event... With street drugs, unless you have a direct connect, you have to ask a friend to ask a friend etc. or worse, go cop in the hood, likely not get your drugs in time and or get swindled, jumped, robbed, arrested...

However because of the repression in certain countries, potentially very dangerous RC's are out there, created to bypass a ban on it's "parent compound"... "Good" sources do not carry these though IME... If you're in one of the more tolerant countries, you can still get descent RC's legally, so it's not a criminal/judicial issue as it is with "street drugs".

i could go on....
 
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