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What do you want to achieve in 2015?

Could all the Scotland shite be split off into a separate thread?

On topic, hope to achieve a new career in my newly chosen profession. My current one is boring me to death and is causing me lots of misery.

Hopefully mend fences with a certain person and look towards a brighter future.
 
Why do you lot get to just up and leave when it suits you though? The dicks in Westminster speak for very few people north of Watford. How many people in Sheffield (for example) do you think believe that the government has their best interests at heart?

At least you lot get some concessions in your devolved powers. The rest of us just have to put up with it.
 
curious_24 said:
Why do you lot get to just up and leave when it suits you though?
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It's called self-determination.

Admittedly we didn't have quite enough determination last time round. :p, but we won't be fooled again.

curious_24 said:
The dicks in Westminster speak for very few people north of Watford. How many people in Sheffield (for example) do you think believe that the government has their best interests at heart?

At least you lot get some concessions in your devolved powers. The rest of us just have to put up with it.
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Well, what can I say. Scotland isn't big enough to fix all of the UK's problems, but we have a good chance at fixing our own, by ourselves. Take your disenfranchisement out on your own politicians, not on Scotland.
 
felix said:
It's called self-determination.

Admittedly we didn't have quite enough determination last time round. :p, but we won't be fooled again.



Well, what can I say. Scotland isn't big enough to fix all of the UK's problems, but we have a good chance at fixing our own, by ourselves. Take your disenfranchisement out on your own politicians, not on Scotland.
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So rather than us all sticking together and fighting to create a better country, you'd prefer to split up the UK for your own benefit and to hell with the rest of us? That's not very British is it?
 
Well, at various points in our history, you could have levelled that simplistic accusation at the Canadians, Australians, Indians, Nigerians, etc.

The answer to your question is "YES".
 
Isn't there another way of doing it though without breaking apart the UK? I'm no expert in these matters (I'm sure you can tell!), but isn't there any possibility of a solution that would also benefit your disillusioned English, Welsh and Northern Irish brethren?
 
felix said:
I'm not a financial whiz-kid like yourself, so my thoughts on the currency issue are most definitely not those of an expert. However, I don't feel that I need to be an expert on every subject under the sun in order to see the bigger picture.

The No campaign made this out to be a bigger deal than it actually was. Westminster (& Scotland) will do what is in its best interests, and I get the impression everyone accepts (but can't come out and admit) that a currency union of some sort is best for both parties, at least in the interim. I'm aware of the tired argument that this isn't "full independence", but Salmond was correct in pointing out that the assets (and obligations) of the Bank of England are owned by all countries of the Union. I'm sure there would be plans in the future to extricate ourselves from this arrangement and finally either have our own currency, or go with the Euro, or whatever. Salmond definitely dropped the ball during that first debate on this subject.

Nothing about gaining independence is gonna happen suddenly. With the UK being such a traditionally weird and wonderful group of medieval institutions and archaic traditions, we're bound to be have several issues like this that'll take many years to wriggle out of.

I'd trust "this lot" over the other lot any day. The SNP have had a majority government in Scotland for many years and IMO they've been doing a great job, shaking out the complacent and corrupt practices of Labour's decades of incompetence and increasing focus on Westminster (and the knighthoods and lordships that they're rewarded with if they toe the line.)

Once we gain independence, we'll have another GE up here, and if people want to vote Scottish Labour or Scottish Conservative, good luck to them. At least then we might actually have a Labour government that gives a shit about Scotland... but I'm not holding my breath on that.
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Personally I don't see how a currency union would ever work and there is plenty of evidence over the channel on how it doesn't work. What happened in Ireland with the euro when they desperately needed higher interest rates is a good example.

If I was Scottish, and lived in Scotland, I would have voted for independence despite my belief that it would have been very tough economically. Maybe the election in the UK this year will throw up some interesting options!
 
Maybe it would be tough for a while. You don't stay with an abusive partner for financial reasons for long do you/should you?

I'm under no illusions about that.

curious_24 said:
Isn't there another way of doing it though without breaking apart the UK? I'm no expert in these matters (I'm sure you can tell!), but isn't there any possibility of a solution that would also benefit your disillusioned English, Welsh and Northern Irish brethren?
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Frankly? No.

The only alternative "solution" you currently seem to have down south to protest against the status quo is to vote for UKIP, whose policies are a despicable attempt to blame everyone else for Britain's problems (and by everyone else, I mean foreigners). Their prominence is largely a product of the mainstream media, who are massively culpable in promoting their agendas purely because they make headlines. Nigel Farage should be held in the same esteem as Screaming Lord Sutch. He's a beer swilling, rich, fake "man of the people" whose MEPs are quite happy to ride the Euro expenses gravy train while not actually doing anything to represent anyone. They're a bunch of fucking gangsters who are now not even allowed to use Twitter, because so they're so idiotic and unenlightened.

We've had 300 years of being a subservient client state, with the UK's nuclear weapons stored on our doorstep, all the while being accused (incorrectly) of being "subsidy junkies" when the opposite is true.

if you can think of another solution, let's hear it. And by the way, forget about "Anti-English Sentiment", because it's not about that. It's all about Westminster, The City of London, The Bankers, Nuclear Weapons, Going to War with the Americans in their colonial adventures to assure the supply of oil & the propping of the military-industrial complex, the antiquated nature of the house of lords... etc. etc.

Sorry we can't bring you with us.
 
im going to be going up on a tuesday and i will be getting your girl on the curly, mofo club going up
 
The Kid said:
Personally I don't see how a currency union would ever work and there is plenty of evidence over the channel on how it doesn't work. What happened in Ireland with the euro when they desperately needed higher interest rates is a good example.

If I was Scottish, and lived in Scotland, I would have voted for independence despite my belief that it would have been very tough economically. Maybe the election in the UK this year will throw up some interesting options!
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I think a lot of us were and are prepared for touch.

How much tougher can it get for some sections of our society. Off course if your earning and paying taxes it has to go towards a fairer equality.
 
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