I feel nothing without weed

[Aubreyybrown]

Well its been only 2 days into 2015 and 2 days without smoking weed. New years eve was crazy, I went to this party and had a few joints and drank a lot.. anyways i was very fucked up when some random dude handed me a joint and I could tell it was some brown shit.. and Im no stranger to brown shit but its never good to smoke brown shit while fucked up.. anyways i threw up for hours and kept throwin up even after there was nothing left.. I felt like i needed to go to the hospital.. luckily when i got home i took a nausea pill and felt better.. I promised myself and my friends i would stop smoking weed, but itd been two days and I feel empty as fuck.. I feel like Im gonna be depressed for the rest of my life. I dont care about anything.. and yeah my life is kind of shitty, Im usually a happy person or at least I was before smoking weed. Now its the only thing that really made me happy. Im also a heavy cig smoker and I drink a lot.. Im trying to stop all these things, and Maybe i feel so shitty cuz of the three but I feel like a joint would fix all of this. I really want to stop so pls no comments about how I shouldnt quit.. Ive spent so much money Ive even been stealing from my parents.. spending hundreds of dollars at a time.. I smoke 3-4 joints a day.. i know thats not thaat bad but i cant function without it and it scares me..Anybody got any advice or words of wisdom from somebody who stopped smoking?? thanks

 

[angeleyes]

Hey Aubrey, welcome to Bluelight

I know what its like to be in this situation because I've done it before and I'm in the middle of it right now. "NEW YEAR NEW ME". It is awesome, I know.


Sucks to hear about the dodgy J though, sounds messed up. Hope you're all good.

Im usually a happy person or at least I was before smoking weed. Now its the only thing that really made me happy.

You were happy and then you got on the buds, but now you're off and now you aren't happy. Its perfectly normal to feel this way especially if you were smoking very regularly or daily, because your body would have just gotten used to this thing and happily accepted it as a great new part of your daily routine. How good is this thing that actually makes you happy when you smoke it? Because you're not smoking anymore, you're not having these 3-4 joints a day where you'll get a minor explosion of happiness making the day better. Your brain is going "where's the joints at?", mostly because it started to become used to this thing, but also because our bodies naturally love things that give us pleasure.


We can talk on a neuro level where I could say your X receptors are feeling this, this and this, and this is why you're feeling the downs/despair, but honestly you're in a good position right now. You haven't completely thrown your life away, once you get past this first week of not smoking bud, things will become better again. Things won't be so boring anymore. You won't feel so lethargic, tired and irritated of bloody everything. The natural curiosity will come back, you'll genuinely laugh at things because you instantly recognized the humorous part of it, instead of sitting there for 4 seconds too long going "...... OHHHH ahahAHAHAha..."


Weed these days isn't some benign shit either, not sure where you're from but acquiring a daily bud habit then suddenly jumping off it can render most enjoyable tasks to be pretty shitty, simply because your body is just used to having high levels of bud in your system.


You'll get through this and the passion for life will come back. I know it seems horrible right now. But when you've got pocketfuls of cash and you're *with it* with your friends walking down the street onto the next adventure (BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT) you'll be thinking "hey, this ain't so bad".



If you come back to weed, just keep it in moderation. Everything in life is better with moderation. You'll REALLY enjoy your bud if you keep it to 1-8 times a month, it will certainly have a greater magic about it than compared to smoking everyday. I've dabbled with sobriety to daily seshing and in my two cents, I was happier overall when I didn't smoke, had a lot less mental health/anxiety problems coming up.



Good luck, you can do this, the first few days are the hardest but it truly gets better from here on in.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

If you are a heavy cannabis smoker then cannabinoids can stay dissolved in your body fat for 30 days or more. This means it may take a fair time for you to start feeling the benefits of quitting so don't give up!

 

[Nom de Plume]

Why do people torture themselves with sobriety? Drugs have been known and consumed for millenia, yet addiction wasn't thought bad or thouught of at all until the 17th century CE—and only in Europe, at that. Does that not sound like a cultural trend more than an indubitable fact of life?

Only with things society proscribes do people identify what results in pleasure and happiness only to do the opposite.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

You clearly have never had a bad drug addiction, it aint pleasant and certainly doesn't result in 'pleasure and happiness'

 

[Nom de Plume]

Yes, I have. But what made it so bad? The reactions of my friends and family, the consequences incurred from the legal system and my employment, the difficulty with procuring and paying for the drug, etc. All these detriments would have never occurred had society not got in the mix. A heroin addict off the grid is a heroin addict not in dire straits and in need of suboxone.

Consider opium and its derivatives. The Sumerians called the opium poppy "hul gil", which meant something to the effect of "joy plant" ; the Egyptians, the Akkadians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Minoans, the Arabs, the Berbers, the Persians, the Indians, and everyone else known to antiquity had employed similar appellations for Papaver somniferum. Yet, it was not until Western Europe arose to the scene that the mood shifted from discussions of joy and pleasure to pain and suffering.

The verity of this is clearly demonstrated. But the only niggling question, it seems, is why? Why Europe? Why the 17th century? Why not 3,000 years prior in Mesopotamia?

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

It clearly can't have been that bad if the only things that made it unpleasant were society.

To answer your question:

Trips to hospital (ODs, mini stroke, rhabdomyolisis, radial nerve palsy)
Isolation
Depression
Financial problems
Crazy behaviour whilst under the influence that I later regretted

Noone of these have got anything to do with society.

 

[Nom de Plume]

It clearly can't have been that bad if the only things that made it unpleasant were society.

To answer your question:

Trips to hospital (ODs, mini stroke, rhabdomyolisis, radial nerve palsy)
Isolation
Depression
Financial problems
Crazy behaviour whilst under the influence that I later regretted

Noone of these have got anything to do with society.

None of them had gotten a thing to do with society, yet none of them had ever been documented until the development of a particular society. Ask yourself if this makes a bit of sense. Don't simply reply with an answer you imbibed at your mother's knee, but really consider the question at the fore. This is not physics, or mathematics, or some other issue of science. This is simply why did no one write about drug addiction extensively until the advent of modernity, yet drugs themselves had been used much earlier.

Does the cause typically lag so far behind the effect in reality or not?

 

[Nom de Plume]

I shan't mention the fact treatment for addiction is such big business, do I? Nor shall I recourse to the dismal statistics of drug recovery, I presume. The myth is a myth. It is perpetuated because it is profitable. Relapse is expected because recovery is impossible. What really is one to recover from, after all?

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

I don't know about the history of literature on drug use and/or addiction to comment really....but yes I'm sure I could find literature to support at least a number of those stretching back a long way. You're also ignoring the fact that until very recently the vast vast majority of people were illiterate and it was only a small section of society that tended to come from very specific demographics with very particular interests (e.g. the clergy) who had the ability to create literature and the only things that tended to be recorded were those things that were seen as being of the utmost importance.

The one thing I will say is that your assertion that everything is down to society is kind of a moot point because like it or not this is our environment and it aint about to change any time soon. Modern society says that I should go to jail if I decide to sell drugs, does the fact that this is a construct of modern society make it any less of a problem if I decide that selling drugs is what I want to do?

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

I shan't mention the fact treatment for addiction is such big business, do I? Nor shall I recourse to the dismal statistics of drug recovery, I presume. The myth is a myth. It is perpetuated because it is profitable. Relapse is expected because recovery is impossible. What really is one to recover from, after all?

If addiction wasn't so unpleasant why do you think people bother trying to get clean at all? Addiction is big business but that's a side issue really and does nothing to evidence your claim. Recovery is definitely not impossible, lots of people do it. It takes diffferent forms for different people and what is right for one person is not right for another but it's definitely ppossible.

 

[Nom de Plume]

If addiction wasn't so unpleasant why do you think people bother trying to get clean at all? Addiction is big business but that's a side issue really and does nothing to evidence your claim. Recovery is definitely not impossible, lots of people do it. It takes diffferent forms for different people and what is right for one person is not right for another but it's definitely ppossible.

That's the curious bit. It's tantamount to people trying to lose weight, gain money, be famous, make friends, attain popularity. It's idiotic and pointless, like most things most people preoccupy their time with, and including me and probably you.

It is as if we, as homo sapiens, are trapped in a perpetual circle of pointless stupidity.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Well, we all have our own opinions on what constitutes productive behaviour and need to follow our own path eh?! What is idiotic and pointless for one person makes perfect sense for anothher.

 

[Nom de Plume]

I don't know about the history of literature on drug use and/or addiction to comment really....but yes I'm sure I could find literature to support at least a number of those stretching back a long way.

So apparently, you're sure without being sure. That is to say, you supposedly know but admit you also don't know. I cannot help but think broaching this topic was a horribly poor idea. I can't account for what I had been thinking.

You're also ignoring the fact that until very recently the vast vast majority of people were illiterate and it was only a small section of society that tended to come from very specific demographics with very particular interests (e.g. the clergy) who had the ability to create literature and the only things that tended to be recorded were those things that were seen as being of the utmost importance.

Is that not still the case? While you and I can read and write, nothing we read nor write actually matters or shapes public opinion. Only the thoughts of a certain few in any society ever really are attended to.

So I will rephrase the question: why did the elite of the past have nothing to add to the discourse of drug abuse and addiction, yet the elite of the present cannot shut up about it, even though the prevalence of drug use never really changes throughout history?

The one thing I will say is that your assertion that everything is down to society...

I never said anything like that. I loathe social constructionism, cultural determinism, etc. If you can't get it, what chance might you have of refuting it?

is kind of a moot point because like it or not this is our environment and it aint about to change any time soon. Modern society says that I should go to jail if I decide to sell drugs, does the fact that this is a construct of modern society make it any less of a problem if I decide that selling drugs is what I want to do?

Moot is a relative word, like irrelevant. What is moot is only ever the same as what is thought of as moot. Is my argument perceived moot? Then it is so, I suppose.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Well, we all have our own opinions on what constitutes productive behaviour and need to follow our own path eh?! What is idiotic and pointless for one person makes perfect sense for anothher.

 

[shroomster]

Man, I feel you, brother.

I think you feel shitty partly because you have an unhealthy lifestyle. I think some regular exercise, alongside quitting smoking, maybe with the aid of those vaporizer things, you'd feel a lot better. Try going for a run 3x week, or better yet, join a gym and start lifting a few times a week.

 

[Nom de Plume]

Well, we all have our own opinions on what constitutes productive behaviour and need to follow our own path eh?! What is idiotic and pointless for one person makes perfect sense for anothher.

That's a cop-out. You have no argument, yet still feel compelled to disagree. You don't know why I'm wrong. The notion of pointlessness is exemplified by your no-real-argument argument.

 

[CfZrx]

I've found addiction to become miserable pretty fast. Whether broke or with money and connects, it gets pretty depressing when it doesn't work the same anymore, but still I find myself unable to stop. (until somehow I do thankfully) Crack is the worst imo, but boy heroin can make you so depressed you kill yourself.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

That's a cop-out. You have no argument, yet still feel compelled to disagree. You don't know why I'm wrong. The notion of pointlessness is exemplified by your no-real-argument argument.

I have plenty of argument, I could go on for pages and pages, but I don't come to this section with the aim of getting involved in pointless slanging matches. I fall short sometimes but I try to restrict my input to something that's going to be useful for other people to hear.

 

[herbavore]

I've found addiction to become miserable pretty fast. Whether broke or with money and connects, it gets pretty depressing when it doesn't work the same anymore, but still I find myself unable to stop. (until somehow I do thankfully) Crack is the worst imo, but boy heroin can make you so depressed you kill yourself.

yeah, I was thinking about that aspect myself. I haven't personally experienced it but my brother described it to me in horrific detail. It got to the point in his crack addiction where he would be crying while he was in the act of taking the drug--because it no longer gave him anything beyond momentary and he knew it never could and yet he was helpless to stop. Sounds like a very particular hell to me.

Your original question is interesting though, Nom. Perhaps like so many other things that may have existed (schizophrenia comes to mind) it is a combination of viewing it differently and simply no one having been arsed in modern times to explore the literature specifically concerning that topic? I think it is pretty fascinating to think about. But since being productive (manual labor) was very important back then I would think that anything that interfered with that would have been a big issue.

You should start a thread about this in Drug Culture as it is an interesting topic but not one which should derail the OP's thread.