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The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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What 23 said:
Tell me what I need to notice. Point it out. Adjust things for me. It might be in a blind spot. And don't just say "racist!", because it doesn't really do the job you wish it to. I'm actually challenged to think that some so called 'racism' or what is part of what is called "racism", isn't 'good' (not that some isn't bad).

But anyways, what do I need to notice?

Should I not notice that I am more likely to get robbed by a black person than a white, in my town? That more black people currently commit violent crimes against whites than vice versa (multiple times higher). Just ignore it? Make excuses? I do that. But there comes a point... Where I just don't think it should be my problem.

Should I not notice how much pressure is on the E.U. countries to accept wave after wave of immigrants from countries far and wide and near? And how people, white people are shamed for wanting to preserve themselves, their culture, their heritage, their race, and not be outbred in their fucking homelands by foreigners. When else has on such a wide scale this happened? Invasions. Colonization. Not to say places haven't existed. Crossroads. And not that I don't see, I guess, how white countries are attractive, or hate anyone for going to them, or blame them. Fuck. I'm in conflict.

You can disassemble this and point out that 'racism' could exist or those behaviors could even among people who identify as white, for each other, or who others think are among the same. That its all rather grey when it gets down to it in ways, I know that. ...
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You need to notice that criminal and antisocial behaviour is more to do with complex socio-economic and socio-political circumstances than simple things like ethnicity, religion or race.

You need to notice that "white culture" is not under any threat. International movement has been taking place for thousands of years and we still live with cultural diversity.

You are right, it is grey indeed. Because of this, not despite it, is why the assumptions at the base of many of your concerns are misled.
 
paranoid android said:
The National Front has existed in the UK and Canada as well. They are just Fascist glue sniffing shit bags who dream of a mythical Aryan race that rules the planet 8) . Fascism is a reactionary movement with basically no ideology behind it except hatred and mistrust of the unknown or things that the people who fall for this know nothing about. Hence why reactionary movements and especially Fascism attracts people who are stupid, Naive, ignorant and have room temperature IQ's. They attract the type of people who are pissed off and looking for scapegoats for their problems. Instead of thinking critically about why they are living the shit life that they are they blame people like immigrants, minorities, Communists (which means everyone from your middle of the road Liberal to Anarchist Communism for them) and anyone else they don't like. Unlike Socialism or even Classical Liberalism one does not have to understand Fascism as there is nothing to understand really. It is devoid of any real ideology and instead is driven by reactionary politics, hatred and ignorance. There is no actual thinking involved with these cunts at all.
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Alot of adjectives, insults, and conjecture.

Little to no facts.
 
LosBlancos said:
I'm sure there's 250 year old Black's that still remember those times vividly.
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has no idea what the conversation is about

chimes in anyway
 
National Front is trying to prevent France from becoming occupied again. Before it was Germans, now it is an admixture of third-world countries coming together trying to impose Sharia Law on them. We don't need to see Vichy France 2.0 Nonetheless, any opposition to wholesale immigration and respect for traditional values must be "fascist".
 
L2R, I'm aware of the socioeconomic factors. Its all very dynamic... But it still doesn't fulfill answers to my questions. This explanation. It still doesn't mean that letting the demography of Europe change so rapidly over a 50-100-200 year period is a wonderful thing, and we don't know the outcome, or how exactly this will effect things. I don't know how people really claim objectivity when they say "its all equal, no doubt about it". I'm pretty sure they are just erring on the side of "don't be an asshole and survive in the accepted group", even if they don't realize it.
 
What 23 said:
L2R, I'm aware of the socioeconomic factors. Its all very dynamic... But it still doesn't fulfill answers to my questions. This explanation. It still doesn't mean that letting the demography of Europe change so rapidly over a 50-100-200 year period is a wonderful thing, and we don't know the outcome, or how exactly this will effect things. I don't know how people really claim objectivity when they say "its all equal, no doubt about it". I'm pretty sure they are just erring on the side of "don't be an asshole and survive in the accepted group", even if they don't realize it.
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You missed the point again.

Migration is nothing new. As repeatedly noted, it hasn't caused problems in the past. If anything it is a stabilising force.

Why are you so certain it is bad?
 
L2R said:
You missed the point again.

Migration is nothing new. As repeatedly noted, it hasn't caused problems in the past. If anything it is a stabilising force.

Why are you so certain it is bad?
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Dare I mention the migration of the Dutch to South Africa.

Migration of North Africans into Spain and Southern Italy (the Moors)

Migration of Europeans into North America.

Spaniards migrating to Mexico/South America.

Ever heard of the concept in nature called an invasive species? There's a fish called the Asian carp it eats all the other fish and reproduces fast as well, so it takes over the ecosystem. They're all over America now and the native species of fish are being wiped out.
 
You're talking about colonialism (a completely different thing to migration) carried out with violence, theft and repression.

You're fooling nobody with such weak comparisons.
 
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spacejunk said:
You're talking about colonialism (a completely different thing to migration) carried out with violence, theft and repression.

You're fooling nobody with such weak comparisons.
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Colonialism usually involves wholesale migration, they are closely linked.

Violence?

Hostages in Australia the other day, 9/11, London bombing of 2005, Lee Rigby murder, I could go on.
 
spacejunk said:
Again, irrelevant bullshit that has nothing to do with the discussion.

Kindly cut it out or fuck off.
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You wouldn't deny those are acts of violence? Or perhaps the Sharia zones in London are peaceful? It's cultural imperialism trying to get Western people to stop drinking in the street, wearing revealing clothing, harassing gays. True liberals should be opposed to immigration that manifests like this.
 
  1. Human migration is the movement by people from one place to another with the intention of settling temporarily or permanently in the new location. The movement is typically over long distances and from one country to another, but internal migration is also possible.

    ^That's the definition, all the instances I listed seem to fit that definition
 
Imperialism/colonialism/empire building are not the same as migration.
You sound like a decrepit government minister with that sort of rhetoric. Scott Morrison springs to mind.
Your elementary dictionary definitions do nothing to back up your 'argument' - just further oversimplification.
white trash said:
fascism is not a racist ideology btw
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Your point being?
Stop changing the subject.
 
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spacejunk said:
Imperialism/colonialism/empire building are not the same as migration.
You sound like a decrepit government minister with that sort of rhetoric. Scott Morrison springs to mind.
Your elementary dictionary definitions do nothing to back up your 'argument' - just further oversimplification.
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All colonialism involves migration. Not all migration involves colonialism. By definition every instance I listed was migration. As we saw with the Europeans coming to North America it began with a few boats, relatively benign but more and more people came and they pushed westward and began taking resources from the native people. I could see a similar situation in many countries today, it starts as benign as "refugees" coming for better life and then soon we're made to feel guests in our own house so to speak.

Your point being?
Stop changing the subject.
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That his assertions about the National Front were false. I hardly think they are a fascist party anyways. "Fascist" and "racist" are buzzwords thrown around by leftists to any party that opposes wholesale immigration.
 
Wow. Honestly it doesn't even seem that the left in here is willing to have a conversation. Not to say I agree that the comparisons brought up are direct apple to apple.
 
The recent Congressional elections in the USA showed the population choosing conservative candidates.

In France we see the aforementioned shifted to the National Front, similar shifts happening in the UK, in Greece, all across Europe gravitating towards more right-wing politics. No military coups or violence, just grassroots political campaigns and everyday citizens seeing their communities being transformed and getting to the polling booths.
 
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