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The ISIS Megathread

paranoid android said:
Well seeing as Assad is a very moderate Muslim who fought against the Islamist's you are wrong on that one. Iraq on the other hand is based upon sectarian lines as Shia's get the jobs in government as well as the army.
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We need more Muslim's like Assad, one's that will intervene when Christians face genocide and that will fight terrorism.
 
LosBlancos said:
Assad has terrorists pouring in from all over the world, Europe, America, Middle-East.

Is he personally responsible for every member of his military? There will be collateral damage when his troops take on the terrorists, that's to be expected.
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I'm sure in the previous decades he's been a domestic peacenik all along. If only that darn military would follow orders and stop killing/torturing dissenters.
 
It's almost like authoritarian rule (and hierarchical coercion) is a more general problem with scope vastly eclipsing any body of religious doctrine. . .

eboal
 
Bardeaux said:
I'm sure in the previous decades he's been a domestic peacenik all along. If only that darn military would follow orders and stop killing/torturing dissenters.
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In previous decades he was studying ophthalmology in London.

Dissenters? Like ISIS, right.

Why can't Assad be more like those other benevolent leaders in the Middle East?
 
LosBlancos said:
In previous decades he was studying ophthalmology in London.
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He took power 15 years ago. For the sake of fairness, he wasn't his father, who was more like an Ayatollah than a president. However, Assad wasn't a saint, let's not paint him out that way. He presided over a reign of severe repression and domestic terrorism created by his father. What did he do to stop this? His Republican Guard was notoriously brutal.

Dissenters? Like ISIS, right.
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I was talking about Osiris.

Why can't Assad be more like those other benevolent leaders in the Middle East?
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He was. But do you really want to compare him to some of the regimes governing the surrounding regions?

George Bush -2001 said:
ISIS is like a cancer, to eliminate cancer you might destroy healthy organs or tissue in the process but left unaddressed it will kill you nonetheless.
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Wait that wasn't george or ISIS....
 
Bardeaux said:
He was. But do you really want to compare him to some of the regimes governing the surrounding regions?
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For the sake of reality I think it would make more sense than comparing him to European or American leaders. I know alot of people here don't live in reality however as so many think Communism is a feasible system. I digress. If you're expecting a Western style democracy with entirely free speech well that isn't exactly found anywhere in the region. Syria held elections recently, Assad got an outstanding percentage of the votes, Foreign terrorists have come into his country to wage war and he I would say has an obligation to his citizens to maintain his seat as head of Syria and defend against Jihadists.
 
LosBlancos said:
You asked for one example. I gave you one.

I could go on, I mean I mention ISIS stoning gays to death, apostates, and religious minorities and you decide to mention the body count for military actions by the United States.

Every mention of Michael Brown's violent rap lyrics, robbery of a convenience store is ignored but we'll dig up a racist past of one person offering testimony and ignore the countless Blacks who supplied false testimony in the Ferguson case trying unsuccesfully to get an indictment.
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I see no quotes, no examples. You make up bullshit generalisations and all it takes is someone with a shred of critical attention and a bit of time to press the point to reveal your bullshit.

Back to the cave with you, you fraud.
 
LosBlancos said:
For the sake of reality I think it would make more sense than comparing him to European or American leaders. I know alot of people here don't live in reality
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I think you missed the point. Sure, he was a moderate muslim who's police state was less regressive than in surrounding regions. However this doesn't negate the police state he ran existed. The guy isn't a saint, stop, making him out to be one. He inherited his title and continued a reign of terror on his population. It could have been worse, sure. But let's not ignore reality.

For the record, I'm talking 10 years before ISIS.


If you're expecting a Western style democracy with entirely free speech well that isn't exactly found anywhere in the region.
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I'm not, I'm loking at it objectively, without an ethnocentric bias.

Syria held elections recently, Assad got an outstanding percentage of the votes,
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Yeah, nearly 90%! Just like the last election. He must be quite the popular fellow in Syria right now.

Foreign terrorists have come into his country to wage war and he I would say has an obligation to his citizens to maintain his seat as head of Syria and defend against Jihadists.
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sure, why not?
 
LosBlancos said:
He is. Hardly any Syrian's are actually fighting his regime. It's mostly all misguided "Americans", "Europeans", and other's from the Middle-East.
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Ofc Syrian's are fighting. it's in their fucking country. A CIVIL WAR

did you forget the 250k persons that ahve died in Syria alone in like two years of fighting iirc


Yes USA and other countries all play their parts in it. feel sorry for Syria, they just happen to be of value(Russia wants their gas pipes running through there) so they got their protection but they gotta be Russia's bitch

edit- Isis are not really 'fully' in control of Syria. Russia would not allow that. Isis are stil selling oil, and Syria's/Iraq resources. Russia could give a fuck about that atm, Russia just rly want Syria's land they for teh gas resource/pipes. more $$$$$$. and oil of what's left. (plenty)

edit-and it is a civil war in Syria, makes it more easy for Russia. I am not trying to say Russia are the bad guys here, there are multiple sides to every story. if we repeat history,(IE; WWII) Russia are actually just covering their backs atm
 
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They are ROGUES ie; they do not support the actions of the country itself and are betraying their own country. yah

lol there was the vid of a 18-yeaarold lebo kid who went over. (from aussie) i wanna find the vid
 
zzz101 said:
They are ROGUES ie; they do not support the actions of the country itself and are betraying their own country. yah

lol there was the vid of a 18-yeaarold lebo kid who went over. (from aussie) i wanna find the vid
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Yes, it's very clear that Australia, USA, and European countries didn't send citizens over to join ISIS. They came to those countries under the guise of being refugees and fleeing extemism but first chance they get they go over to propagate the same terror they claim to be fleeing.
 
Sorry i don't have a source for you atm LB

an internet link to a random website is not a valid source.


it's obv Isis(now) were well funded at the start of or well before the civil war in Syria. it is beneficial to certain persons if 'a small' civil war breaks out in a country with good resources.

pretty much a big fuck up now though.

Now you have tough Kurds who always get treated like shit. fighting Isis and are actually standing up
 
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