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Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?

Xorkoth said:
It does make sense doesn't it? However I agree that it doesn't truly exist as it should in the US, not right now it doesn't, and it probably never has. It's not in the constitution or anything either, it's just an idea. I completely agree that a healthy government should separate church and state though.
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Well, like any ideal (or law), it's a guideline and something to aim for, with the realistic expectation that there will be deviations, and that that's not a problem so long as there is a workable plan in place for how to address, redress, and correct those deviations. It worries me that the vocally irreligious in the US now almost monopolize this necessary watchdog-of-Church-State-violations role. I understand why this is such a salient emotional issue for them. But I also think there needs to be ample representation from the religious (and the spiritual-not-religious) camps on these watchdog committees. More American Christians need to wake up and realize that it's in their religious communities' own best interest to defend SoC&S. Not only that, but it's actually very consistent with the principles Jesus taught -- love thy neighbor, wish well upon those who wish you harm, give unto Ceasar what is owed to Caesar and unto God what is owed to God.

Instead, by SoC&S advocates becoming an increasingly homogeneously godless bunch, it becomes easier for threatened American Christians to just write off the movement as a trojan horse for atheism, instead of fundamental to how their communities came to thrive in America to begin with!
 
MyDoorsAreOpen said:
I think you misunderstand me. I'm not talking about comparative religion.



Hmm... my understanding of SoC&S is the principle that it behooves a government and the institutions it owns to show no favoritism or encouragement of any religious position, .
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In God we trust on the greenback.
Tax breaks subsidized in part by non-believers.

Need I say more?

Regards
DL
 
I agree that "In God we trust" doesn't belong on American currency, and is a relic of Cold War era scaremongering. But I don't see the favoritism in tax breaks. Anyone is free to establish a tax-free not-for-profit group based on a common ideology, no matter what that ideology is.
 
MyDoorsAreOpen said:
I agree that "In God we trust" doesn't belong on American currency, and is a relic of Cold War era scaremongering. But I don't see the favoritism in tax breaks. Anyone is free to establish a tax-free not-for-profit group based on a common ideology, no matter what that ideology is.
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Not for profit!

Does it look like the churches are not profiting. Look at all the huge temples and churches that stand empty most of the time and tax free evangelicals that live like billionaires with their own Lear jets.

Non-profit indeed.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Not for profit!

Does it look like the churches are not profiting. Look at all the huge temples and churches that stand empty most of the time and tax free evangelicals that live like billionaires with their own Lear jets.

Non-profit indeed.

Regards
DL
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Greedy fire-n-brimstone preachers who live decadent lifestyles are most certainly the false prophets that Jesus spoke about, who say (nay, sell) what people want to hear, rather than what needs to be said. But I'm hardly convinced the government eliminating the tax-free nonprofit category of group (or becoming much stingier with granting this status) will solve this problem, any more than banning drugs more harshly eliminates greedy decadent drug dealers or helps problem substance abusers.
 
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Agreed,
Few things are lower than a preacher ripping off those who are suffering.
But its one way to find out you cant buy a miracle.
I also agree you dont throw baby out with bath water
 
Once again DL you have excelled yourself in disappearing way, way down into your own navel. As if you are in any position to pronounce what nation or continent can be considered 'first world'. I imagine you sometimes as I read your posts, every day spent in front of your PC or pacing back and forth in some dank, airless front room victoriously planning your next assault on God, as if He is shaken in any way by your vainglorious splutterings. You only wear yourself out DL. 'God is dead!' Neitzsche...... 'Neitzsche is dead.' God
 
Ransom itch, welcome to our forum. Please consolidate your last three posts into one. Or if that's not something you have the privilege to do as a newcomer, just keep it in mind for the future -- it makes for easier reading. Thanks.
 
willow11 said:
it is not a fact, that "codes come from intelligence", your statement is meaningless- and it is NOT a fact.
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Meaningless? Or MEANINGFUL?
Name one code that exist that doesnt come from intelligence.
My Dear friend,
My argument is from inductive reasoning from observation,
your argument is from willfull ignorance of observation.
Take off the blind fold and observations become more clear.

I suppose your next statement will be "its not a code"---
Yeah, DNA isnt a code....
Just like Morse code isnt a code.
I imagine you are sitting there telling yourself....
"Codes dont exist, codes dont exist, codes dont exist..........."
 
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What are you talking about intelligence? Patterns are found through-out nature, from DNA and other things we can't see with a naked eye to fractals and the golden ratio.
You haven't explained how these things arise "from intelligence"
 
Uh,
Patterns arent codes. Snowflakes and crystals dont contain codes.
I think you're confused on what a code is and what it does.
Codes are instructions.
Please, pretty please, dont insult my or your intelligence by not seeing difference between a code and a pattern.
Its embarrassing.

How do I explain the Fibonacci sequence?
Mathematical law. Symmetry. God likes order.
 
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methamaniac said:
Patterns arent codes. Snowflakes and crystals dont contain codes.
I think you're confused on what a code is and what it does.
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when i take ur posts as cognizant irony it's very entertaining
when i take it as what they actually are it's still entertaining sometimes, like now
funny how u dis the golden ratio whilst using the fibonacci sequence as a correct example
u should make a twitter, u could get popular

PS none of the "codes" u used as examples are symmetrical
 
methamaniac said:
I'M not dragging you anywhere, you're dragging yourself.
But you dont seem to be getting very far as you appear to be dead on the floor.
Hard pulling yourself up by your bootstraps I'd imagine.
About as easy doing that it is to factually prove life can form from non life.
With all do respect , Im not the one that needs the "facts".
IM not the one who's making a superman claim that life creates itself, and with a sraight face saying I have "facts" to prove it. A superman claim like that is going to require a bit more "proof".
Get back in the lab and try cooking up life.
I'm just trying to save you some time.
You can stick DNA/RNA in a petri dish with all the nutrients you want--In a billion years it aint doing nothing. And Im giving you the formation of first
strand as a head start.
You see, you need proteins to form DNA/RNA but you need RNA/DNA to form proteins needed to make the RNA/DNA in first place. Now if you want to sniff the magic fairy dust
and pretend this evidence we can observe doesnt exist, you're more than free to do so. But dont substitute imagination for fact.
Here's an observation so you can practice learning real science. Intelligence comes from intelligence.
I have a funny feeling you will ignore this observation as well.
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Scientists just create XNA from scratch instead.

http://www.sciencealert.com/world-first-artificial-enzymes-suggest-life-doesn-t-need-dna-or-rna
 
The golden ratio in snowflakes: http://youtu.be/Elx_dCEv4Pg

Abby,
What are you smoking?
I didnt "dis" anything.

Your so dam confused I dont know how to help.
If you seriously dont know what a code is I will try to help you figure it out.
Are you really being serious you think DNA isnt a code?
You believe it is a pattern?
I can take a single skin cell from you and make a complete you.
Do you grasp that?
 
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One Thousand Words said:
Scientists just create XNA from scratch instead.

http://www.sciencealert.com/world-first-artificial-enzymes-suggest-life-doesn-t-need-dna-or-rna
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lol
First,
(ironically) they needed the intelligence God gave them to make XNA
2) These XNA provide information (which may or may not contain meaning), but not specified information( which must have meaning). DNA that we find in any organism today contains specified information.
3) There is no proposed selection and reproduction mechanism for the XNA and how they ultimately get "selected for"
Lastly, these XNA do not encode for information, let alone fit into the DNA-RNA-Protein triangle relationship.
Points for trying tho
In short, you aint close to explaining away DNA
 
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MyDoorsAreOpen said:
Greedy fire-n-brimstone preachers who live decadent lifestyles are most certainly the false prophets that Jesus spoke about, who say (nay, sell) what people want to hear, rather than what needs to be said. But I'm hardly convinced the government eliminating the tax-free nonprofit category of group (or becoming much stingier with granting this status) will solve this problem, any more than banning drugs more harshly eliminates greedy decadent drug dealers or helps problem substance abusers.
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Perhaps not but it would give a good feeling to taxpayers who do not believe yet have to contribute to churches who only lie to their sheeple.

As it is, non-believing taxpayers help pay for lies.

Regards
DL
 
Ransom itch said:
Once again DL you have excelled yourself in disappearing way, way down into your own navel. As if you are in any position to pronounce what nation or continent can be considered 'first world'. I imagine you sometimes as I read your posts, every day spent in front of your PC or pacing back and forth in some dank, airless front room victoriously planning your next assault on God, as if He is shaken in any way by your vainglorious splutterings. You only wear yourself out DL. 'God is dead!' Neitzsche...... 'Neitzsche is dead.' God
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Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discussevents; small minds discuss people. EleanorRoosevelt

Regards
DL
 
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