I won't say that there won't be synergy, but personally I wouldn't count on it. It's not thatttt different, and it is the same drug
but it's certainly possible and something that shouldn't be counted out without experimentation.

Yea 25mg plugged of any batch remotely good is going to have you pretty goddamn high. 13mg plugged reallyyyy surprised me the other day, and I've been using MXE off and on for two years now, three or four batches, all pretty good.
Also, I don't agree with magickalkat with oral being short. Oral and rectal seem to have a pretty similar duration, although I haven't gone far enough out rectally to get a comparison with oral.
Yeah jason, when I take high doses of MXE it's always uncomfortable unless I lay down and close my eyes, then it's amazing and comfortable. Hole-type dosages require eyes closed and laying down. And music helps tremendously in going deep.
As far as time between dosages... a week or more. It's always better to give more than a week between dosages of dissos or psychedelics, but a week is minimum. You can get away with more often occasionally, like maybe there is a special occasion and you want to do it twice in a weekend or something. But more than once a week regularly and tolerance will form quickly, and take a long time to go away. I was using it at moderate dosages for social reasons a few times a week for about a month and a half pretty recently (when my friends and I got 7 grams between us) and I have noticed tolerance ever since then, I am not having the same level of effect and especially not the same level of magic as I was. I've got about 100mg left and after that it will be a while before I get more. It's already been a few weeks since I stopped my excessive dosing regimen so that 100mg will probably last me til around Christmas, as I haven't been doing it much lately.
I don't know what holing is like. I was fully conscious of my surroundings and everything, but it felt like I couldn't hold reality together so that everything made sense. I've had the same feeling on shrooms and salvia. I become frightened that I will stay that way forever and will never be able to get back to the way things were before. But yes, as Xorkoth said, I always do eventually get back to the way it was before. In fact, by now I should be able to have confidence that I will get back to reality every time it happens but still, when it's actually taking place I always manage to think that this time is the time when I really screwed up the universe for eternity because I took a weird chemical.
The scariest part is when I think I am realizing that the universe can't really exist. It's not really possible. I realize that the universe is really just me. There are no other real people or anything. It's just me and what I did was somehow create the universe by a trick. I managed to trick myself into creating the entire universe by getting myself to temporarily believe that it's possible. As long as I can trick myself into forgetting that's it's impossible for anything to exist, as logically you must all agree (because how can something come from nothing, right?), the universe can exist. But if ever I become conscious of the fact that the universe, my life and everything I am aware of, is not actually possible then the whole thing will collapse and it will go back to eternal nothingness. That's what brings on the extreme panic, the feeling that I'm getting close to remembering that it's all just a trick and nothing really exists. If I ever get all the way to no longer being fooled by my own trick, that will be the end of everything that ever existed or ever will exist. So far the trick is still working, but for how long?
The fact that the universe exists right now shows that I succeeded in formulating a complicated enough trick that it's still holding together. That was the greatest accomplishment I ever made, I figured out a way to make the universe exist even though in reality it's impossible. I made a trick so incredibly convoluted that I haven't been able to remember what it was yet, which thereby allows it to continue to work. I had to make it so complicated that I myself could never figure it out. Think how hard that would be. I also get the feeling that I created the universe numerous times before but all those times I hadn't made the trick complicated enough therefore they all collapsed and I had to start all over again, making it more and more complicated every time. That's why the universe seems so complex right now, with the galaxies going on and on seemingly without end, because this is the most complicated version yet. I made this one so complex that it will take a real long time for it to collapse due to the trick eventually failing to convince me that the universe is real. Maybe this one will actually work permanently. Maybe I made it so perfect this time that I will never fail to believe that the universe is real again and therefore it will never collapse.
25mg plugged.
You don't want to start too high with dissociatives because your first dose could well end up being your permanent tolerance to them. 25mg will have you on your ass if you plug it and have never touched a drug in the family.
After doing rectal today I can't honestly suggest any other way... I've snorted it and eaten it... Its not the same... Snorting it works but is the same dose as oral and is short, oral for me seems to be very short while plugged gets me a lot of mileage. Never again any other way unless I decide to try IM for the first time.
welcome to the club. how did you make it so many years never plugging? lol
Never had the right syringe... I tried plugging a few times but I used way too much fluid... These 1mL syringes I bought for dosing PG solutions of benzos are perfect. No pain, everything BUT benzos dissolves easily in water and what doesn't just goes in as grains that get absorbed anyway... Now I gotta get an enema ball so I can keep doing this. Bout to do 5mg of 4-HO-MET that route... Not expecting much but with 4-HO-MET I'm sensitive as hell... Looking forward to it.
BTW anyone else notice mild vasoconstriction from MXE? It wasn't until I passed the 150mg in 24 hour mark (bear in mind my tolerance that 100mg plugged comes close to holing me and 100mg oral just is a ++) but it seemed mildly constricting.
It could just be me though. I'm used to bug veins... But since I stopped smoking they are always small. Guess I can't use that as a reliable measure of constriction anymore.
I get mild vasoconstriction from MXE too.
holy fuck are you me or am I you?
uhhhh its kind of scary how close this is to something I have experienced seemingly many times before.
I smoked dmt for the first time a few days ago on the tail end of a ~100mg dpt/mxe trip spaced out over the night. It was like I was instantly transported to a realizaition/place I have been many times before and want so terribly to forget exist. The most absolute horror I can ever imagine. Like if I had a pistol next to me I would have shot myself to end it, but in actuality nothing would have ended and nothing would have changed. That was the terrifying part.
I felt like I am God, and the truth of it is God is just insane and made all this shit that we call reality up to distract from the fact that in actuality there is nothing and no way of ending the nothingness. It will go on forever and ever.
It's hard to explain, but like withing 5 seconds of hitting the DMT (coke bottle/foil vape. had 50mg but I think I only got about 30 or 40, but all at once) I was like "oh NO not this again I fucking broke reality and remember what I keep trying to forget like an idiot(which I get the impression I have done many many times... its like the secret of life we are trying to find is actually exactly what we DO NOT want to know)"... I was sitting meditating, and immediatly got up to grab a dropper of etiz solution and felt an entity push me back and basically say "sit with it". That lasted maybe a minute until I flipped out and took maybe 10-20mg etiz (knowing it would do nothing before the dmt faded....) and lay in bed begging to "forget" again" The more I type the closer I feel to remembering and that is literally the most terrifying thing imaginable.
annnnnddddd I wanted to smoke more like 10 minutes after it faded. what in the fuck is that?
I think I would kill myself if I thought it would make any difference. I think that is the most fucked up part, the realization that there is nothing, no one, just an insane God creating itself into everything to distract from the nothingness, but it always fails in the end.
on the complete flip side I have experienced the full on body filled with light, pulsing love oneness "god/spiritual" trip as well. so I don't know. That fear was the most intense real thing, it should scare me off psychedelics forever, but it hasn't and probably won't until I am dead of incarcerated for the rest of my life... oh well.
holy fuck are you me or am I you?
uhhhh its kind of scary how close this is to something I have experienced seemingly many times before.
I smoked dmt for the first time a few days ago on the tail end of a ~100mg dpt/mxe trip spaced out over the night. It was like I was instantly transported to a realizaition/place I have been many times before and want so terribly to forget exist. The most absolute horror I can ever imagine. Like if I had a pistol next to me I would have shot myself to end it, but in actuality nothing would have ended and nothing would have changed. That was the terrifying part.
I felt like I am God, and the truth of it is God is just insane and made all this shit that we call reality up to distract from the fact that in actuality there is nothing and no way of ending the nothingness. It will go on forever and ever.
It's hard to explain, but like withing 5 seconds of hitting the DMT (coke bottle/foil vape. had 50mg but I think I only got about 30 or 40, but all at once) I was like "oh NO not this again I fucking broke reality and remember what I keep trying to forget like an idiot(which I get the impression I have done many many times... its like the secret of life we are trying to find is actually exactly what we DO NOT want to know)"... I was sitting meditating, and immediatly got up to grab a dropper of etiz solution and felt an entity push me back and basically say "sit with it". That lasted maybe a minute until I flipped out and took maybe 10-20mg etiz (knowing it would do nothing before the dmt faded....) and lay in bed begging to "forget" again" The more I type the closer I feel to remembering and that is literally the most terrifying thing imaginable.
annnnnddddd I wanted to smoke more like 10 minutes after it faded. what in the fuck is that?
I think I would kill myself if I thought it would make any difference. I think that is the most fucked up part, the realization that there is nothing, no one, just an insane God creating itself into everything to distract from the nothingness, but it always fails in the end.
on the complete flip side I have experienced the full on body filled with light, pulsing love oneness "god/spiritual" trip as well. so I don't know. That fear was the most intense real thing, it should scare me off psychedelics forever, but it hasn't and probably won't until I am dead of incarcerated for the rest of my life... oh well.
I get mild vasoconstriction from MXE too.
How long does this stuff stay in your system?