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The Cost of Immigration

^^ No man that calls himself civilized should own a TV.

LosBlancos said:
Well other countries are too busy sipping lattes with scarfs around their neck to stand up and fight when called upon. Surely if wasn't for us Americans the world would be ran by Nazis now or Communists, now is time to fight against the Caliphate. If your love one died in 9/11 you wouldn't care how much it cost to make sure it don't happen again, to take the fight pro-actively to terrorist.
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Fighting in the same countries that were created by the same western powers that are fighting there now. The west fabricates most of it's own issues out of idiocy.
 
One Thousand Words said:
So why did you invade Iraq and not Saudi Arabia?
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I agree Saudi Arabia would've been a better choice.

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A certain special kind of stupid is usually found in only really intelligent people

As much as I grew up saying America is not my identity... White Europe is not my identity... Borders are imaginary and unnecessary and need to be broken... Etc... I've found it is not so clear cut and dry. And I'm thankful for order.

We now seem to have the unique position of being one of the first generations to be truly challenged to think of ourselves as 'global citizens', respectfully. To be part of- to see ourselves as a global community.

One could say, it's no wonder that people get the idea that borders and tribal identities should be left behind. I'm just saying, as I have, I'm not so sure about that. I know they served functions before.
 
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LosBlancos said:
I agree Saudi Arabia would've been a better choice.

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Have you ever seen what 1 Billion very pissed off people look like? Well, if you bomb Mecca, you will learn very fast. With most of the western world being disarmed, and Russia being friendly with most of the Arabs and Persians. Well, the US would be gone within a year.
 
^yup.

American hegemony is a relic at this point. And not only in the middle east. The Asian bloc is emerging as it's own economic and military authority, South America is working towards a more progressive and independent region.

The illusion of American dominance over the world is beginning to crack.
 
Although I will be sad to see so many people get screwed in the US, it couldn't happen to a better group of assholes.

I can't believe some of the crap I have seen the Boomers pull in my life.
 
LosBlancos said:
Enabling upskilling and education as seen in the beautiful cities of Chicago, Oakland, Detroit, New Orleans. All Democratic strongholds, pumping in welfare money and federal funds like they care about what's going to happen tommorow.
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fify

With no borders, we cease to have a national identity. We cease to be who we are. Democrats literally have blood on their hands when people they say should get visa or citizenship go on to do terrorism or bring ebola, ect.
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1- Where you live doesn't define who you are.
2- terrorism would be far weaker without borders.
3- poverty in areas where ebola is an issue is as a result of borders. both are global issues whether you care or not.

Joeof1 said:
That wasn't easy either, even after we had been married for a year... The US embassy still denies that I have an existing relationship with her, even though they have seen the marriage certificate.
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that's terrible. i'm sorry to hear this. :(



It's investing in poverty. You know what happens when you invest in something? You get more of it. A safety net would be a work program that pays min wage.
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As poetic as this sounds, it isn't actually true. it is the other way around. minimum wage enables no mobility at all, and only ensures stagnation and ongoing poverty. it only benefits the rich, as it affords them near slave labour. the rich seldom do anything constructive with additional riches. job creation come from product/service demand, not the benevolence of the wealthy. if people are on minimum wage, they cannot afford education and they cannot afford products and services.

I've read it eight times, it still means the same thing from the first time I read it. You think his opinion is valid because of science, but science is a process not a thing.
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sorry if it wasn't clear, i really thought it was. you suggested that foreigners criticism is without substance because all sources of information is biased. i pointed out how that is simply incorrect. his criticism of that think tank is of significance, not because of his own bias or lack therof, but because of the existence of plenty of sources which are less biased than a think tank (which is designed to be biased). i made no assessment of foreigners bias whatsoever with my remark.
i hope that clears it up a bit.
 
L2R said:
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1- Where you live doesn't define who you are.
2- terrorism would be far weaker without borders.
3- poverty in areas where ebola is an issue is as a result of borders. both are global issues whether you care or not.
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Let me simplify things there's only a finite amount of resources in the U.S. In the past like the 1920s and 1930s immigration was beneficial we needed workers here. Now we have enough people and thanks to technology we need less workers to produce goods and build things, not massive need for workers here.

How does no borders lead to less terrorism?
 
terrorism comes from desperation and powerlessness. it packs a cheap, but substantial punch. a sense of powerlessness stems from many sources, disenfranchisement and poverty are just two. the removal of national competition, and the recognition of the fact that we are a global community, many of the sources of desparation can be removed.

we are taught that our borders protect us. this is a lie. they make us far more vulnerable.
 
L2R said:
terrorism comes from desperation and powerlessness. it packs a cheap, but substantial punch. a sense of powerlessness stems from many sources, disenfranchisement and poverty are just two. the removal of national competition, and the recognition of the fact that we are a global community, many of the sources of desparation can be removed.

we are taught that our borders protect us. this is a lie. they make us far more vulnerable.
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So just like the Boston Marathon bomber we let him in this country, give his family almost a million in welfare payouts and he still bombs us.

Nobody is buying into this global community cultural Marxism stuff besides latte-drinking college students, they don't have any power.

I'll trust our Marines and our National Guard to keep me safe before I put any faith in "global community".
 
LosBlancos said:
So just like the Boston Marathon bomber we let him in this country, give his family almost a million in welfare payouts and he still bombs us.

Nobody is buying into this global community cultural Marxism stuff besides latte-drinking college students, they don't have any power.

I'll trust our Marines and our National Guard to keep me safe before I put any faith in "global community".
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and none of this says anything but you are happy with your head in the sand. if you aren't interested enough to understand something, then don't even bother pretending like you have an opinion.

you didn't even contradict me, but it's clear you think you did. derp on, honey. <3
 
^Since 9/11 how do we stop terrorist? Do we create global community? No we take proactive fight and kill Bin Laden, fight Al-Qaeda head on, limit visa/citizenships from problem countries, and increase security and no big terror attacks since 9/11. So seems our method is successful so far.

Syria and Iraq border just opened up and all they've had is more terrorism.
 
L2R, you say it's a lie that our borders protect us- that having separate identity based in part on national and cultural difference/sames is just the wrong way (though I don't rest my identity on being a white European American, it is certainly part of it, I'm also the sun moon galaxy big bang microorganism with no brain)... Name a place or propose some way that your seeming idea of utopia works. I just don't see it as practical or feasible right now. Would like a visualization if possible. Some example.
 
LosBlancos said:
^Since 9/11 how do we stop terrorist? Do we create global community? No we take proactive fight and kill Bin Laden, fight Al-Qaeda head on, limit visa/citizenships from problem countries, and increase security and no big terror attacks since 9/11. So seems our method is successful so far.

Syria and Iraq border just opened up and all they've had is more terrorism.
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p.s. we are less secure now than before.
p.p.s. IS was not a result of opening borders.


What 23 said:
L2R, you say it's a lie that our borders protect us- that having separate identity based in part on national and cultural difference/sames is just the wrong way (though I don't rest my identity on being a white European American, it is certainly part of it, I'm also the sun moon galaxy big bang microorganism with no brain)... Name a place or propose some way that your seeming idea of utopia works. I just don't see it as practical or feasible right now. Would like a visualization if possible. Some example.
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Cultural identity is true and valuable, national identity is a fiction and it only protects the wealthy. Knowing the problem is half the battle won, the solution, i agree with you is a very difficult one to fathom. the only part i can envision is where we will need to let go of many resources we take for granted and yet don't need in order to bring on a semblance of social equalibrium. hunger is of paramount import, i would think. it's outrageous anyone goes hungry with our current stupendous surpluss.

it just isn't important enough for many. the blood will stay on our hands for a while yet. but that doesn't make it okay to ignore.
 
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