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God does not want our love. God wishes only to serve man.

methamaniac said:
^^
You touched on a lot of issues.
Im not sure if you're wanting a reply or wanting to make statement. Either way.....
you kinda left the ballpark so I may be little out too.
All this is my opinion....
I do not speak for God , but of him. Based on what I interpret has been revealed to me.

First, love is a fruit of faith.
God chose/elected his elect before creation based on what your faith/love in him would be. What went on then,
have no idea. Cant "remember". Im stuck in this "timeframe's" point of view at the moment. Just know it wasnt a blind election...."God doesnt roll dice" and hopes he gets it right. ( pardon me for the borrow Eienstien)

Second, and again you're never going to be able to put God in a box no matter how much you try to squeeze him in there. You're only going to know what is revealed, and apply it with faith. You may find out your wrong about something. But you can still have faith you'll get it right in the end.

God isnt asking YOU to sacrafice a child.
If he ever does, you can discuss your concerns while you two are talking.

God requires something to cleanse sin.
He accepts a sinless sacrafice to "cancel" out sin. This is just how it works.
If you cant get past that, might as well throw in the towel as far as the rest of the bible is concerned imo.

It was God who made the sacrafice for us to be redeemed.
He didnt use anyone elses actual sacrafice
to complete his ultimate plan. He did it himself.
Dont understand how this was cowardly.

Third,
Imo, God is revealing a life story in the bible,
What has took place, what is taking place, and what will be taking place.
He uses what is going on at any given time to teach.
The phrophecy and symbolism in the OT is everywhere.
Even tho there are real things happening, he also reveals symbols/forshadowing as well.....


In old testament
Event- Abraham's story- God's plan/love
Abraham represents- Adam --including adams mistake/mans need for forgiveness/atonement
Isaac represents Jesus /sacrafice/resurrection/
begotton son
Ishmael represents satan in disguise/birth of sin/ deceit/need for redemption/disobedience(srry Ishmael)
the two men with abraham represent two men next to Jesus on cross-- the choice we are to make about sacrafice even tho like them we didnt take part in actual sacrafice/ You- your choice
the donkey abraham saddles plays himself in both stories;)
Its a short synopsis of Gods salvation plan.
It could be seen somerhing like this:

GODS plan is to use his love/Jesus/begotten son to defeat sin/disobedience/satan and atone us for salvation/redemption if we have faith to accept/allow him.


Lastly
Yes, you happen to be in story.
You have a choice in how you play out as odd as it may sound to you.
I would advisd you accept this ( my hope)
becareful testing God.
It's not your created story/plan
If you dont believe in any of this,
you can complain to nature for how your story turns out.
Either way, you're not writing her story either
Fruitless complaining either way
Ps.
If sacraficing my daughter would get her to heaven,
and I was asked by God to achieve this( key point)
I wouldnt put myself in her place. Why would I?
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You seem to have God chained in his box while I let him have some freedom.

Strange that you would die for your child while adoring a prick that went the other way and did not step up.

Do you hold other moral issues with such an immoral double standard?

Regards
DL
 
drug_mentor said:
I am not waiting for anything or anyone to serve me, I just find it a pretty absurd notion that an all powerful being has such a strong desire to serve mankind yet we have all the death, disease, poverty and war that we do. You would think if there was a single being who created the Universe and life as we know it that was so concerned with serving mankind they would do a lot more to intervene in the fucked up situations on Earth.

I don't know what humbling ones self has to do with any of that, I guess maybe all those starving kids in Africa just aren't humble enough for God to serve them?
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When dealing or speaking of the mythical Gods on offer, we have no argument.

Consider from an esoteric POV, that what is written of the elect is a wish from the writers for order.

Order and hierarchy was the big thing in that day and that is why they had their God/Kings.

I just see this situation as mankind wishing for a one world government.

That is the promise of the story of Babel.


Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
You seem to have God chained in his box while I let him have some freedom.

Strange that you would die for your child while adoring a prick that went the other way and did not step up.

Do you hold other moral issues with such an immoral double standard?

Regards
DL
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What is immoral?
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
You seem to have God chained in his box while I let him have some freedom.

Strange that you would die for your child while adoring a prick that went the other way and did not step up.

Regards
DL
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I AM the GOD of gods: http://youtu.be/Wo3LvpquJqQ
GB,
Have I not made it clear God and Jesus are one?
You need to know who you're talking about.
The link may help.
ps. Its short.
 
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^^^
Well, to even make the statement you did you trust at least one of your senses.
I dont know whether or not you can sence a spirit.
 
Well, if you dont trust your senses are correct,
I can see why you dont understand.

You're going to be a lonely soul if you dont trust someone/something. Hope you're not wanting to experience love.
Cause you aint a mind reader.
 
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Gnostic Bishop said:
So a book can somehow know the unknowable, and you are foolish enough to believe a book with talking animals in it. Ok.

Regards
DL
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"because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." ( Matthew 13)

Whether you believe a talking snake is literal or figurative, the moral is the same:

Sin entered the world through deceptive faith in self rather than God.

Just because the fact God can be complex,complicated,criptic etc. ,
doesnt mean a simpleton cant recieve his message/salvation.
As long as he isnt a simpleton at heart that is.:)
Good luck on constucting your own God.
 
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methamaniac said:
Well, if you dont trust your senses are correct,
I can see why you dont understand.

You're going to be a lonely soul if you dont trust someone/something. Hope you're not wanting to experience love.
Cause you aint a mind reader.
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So if I don't trust my own senses, I'm supposed to trust some friendly sounding stranger on the internet instead? Did you at least think before you hit the reply button?
 
^^
err...You dont have to trust me.
If you dont trust your senses you're going to have to trust something/somebody eventually....
or I'd imagine you'd never get off the "couch"
 
methamaniac said:
"because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." ( Matthew 13)

Whether you believe a talking snake is literal or figurative, the moral is the same:

Sin entered the world through deceptive faith in self rather than God.

Just because the fact God can be complex,complicated,criptic etc. ,
doesnt mean a simpleton cant recieve his message/salvation.
As long as he isnt a simpleton at heart that is.:)
Good luck on constucting your own God.
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Only a faithless simpleton would think that a God would condemn him in the first place.

To say that God is complicated just shows the depth of your delusion.

And yes, I create my God as we all do. Most do not recognize that they are doing it.

People like Rudolf Steiner, Jung and Freud have shown this a long time ago. Freud called it our Father Complex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_complex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA

Regards
DL
 
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