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Dangers of fentanyl. Did my girlfriend almost die?

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neal301

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Hello all,

This past sunday, my girlfriend who I love very dearly made a very stupid decision, or so I think. She told me a 'friend' of hers gave her two 50mcg fentanyl patches. I was immediately bombarding her with texts about how dangerous they are, with links to opioid conversion charts and overdose information. I told her not to do them.

I visited her yesterday, at which point i was talking about how stupid her friend is for handing those out. She told me she cut one of them in half and used it. I was devastated, yelling at her, scolding her, worried about her. She cried and promised never to touch it again. It really bugs me that she did it after I said not to...

Her justification for it was that I have been dealing with a nasty benzo habit for a little over a year now (happy anniversary) [2 weeks clean now, month with once weekly use] and that benzos are as dangerous as the fent. I tried telling her that the danger is not AS MUCH (I say that oh so lightly) in addiction as it is in overdose. I know for me to overdose on xanax it would take approximately ELEVEN THOUSAND XANAX BARS (on the low end). To overdose on fent... what... one patch? Half? Quarter? depends on the dose. Thats the truely scary part about this shit is the prescribed lethal doses.

My real question for you all is, how safe was it for her to actually do this? She only had the 25mcg on for 30 minutes (she says) and she has ABSOLUTELY no opiate tolerance AT ALL. Was she in danger? What if she left the patch on for longer?

Thank you.

EDIT: found out she had it on for an hour. She "lost track of time".
 
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I don't know much about Fentanyl but I think you have every right to be worried. I can't see it being safe in anyway for someone who has no opiate/opioid tolerance! Hell it kills people WITH a tolerance. I would say it was incredibly dangerous.
 
brownbradley39 said:
I don't know much about Fentanyl but I think you have every right to be worried. I can't see it being safe in anyway for someone who has no opiate/opioid tolerance! Hell it kills people WITH a tolerance. I would say it was incredibly dangerous.
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Thank you for the reply and your opinion, I really dont want to sound like a dick so please dont take this that way, but I was hoping by posting here I could get someone who is more versed in the world of opiates to offer some facts.
 
Fentanyl is strong. Very much so. However, they come in patches and release a little bit every time.
You have to pay attention to the details on how you are feeling, if you are nodding or losing conscious.
I have a very strong tolerance and 50 mcg would not make me feel anything.
We are all different so you have to really watch how you do when you start using, specially at nights.
 
Erikmen said:
Fentanyl is strong. Very much so. However, they come in patches and release a little bit every time.
You have to pay attention to the details on how you are feeling, if you are nodding or losing conscious.
I have a very strong tolerance and 50 mcg would not make me feel anything.
We are all different so you have to really watch how you do when you start using, specially at nights.
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I'm aware of the patch situation. I'm also aware of tolerance, she has none.
 
No offense taken, I understand. I have plenty of experience in opiates/opioids such as vicodin, oxycodone, codeine, morphine and such. But the much stronger ones such as H and fentanyl is where my I do not know as much. From my little understanding fentanyl is not very euphoric and from this danger could arise from redosing.
 
brownbradley39 said:
No offense taken, I understand. I have plenty of experience in opiates/opioids such as vicodin, oxycodone, codeine, morphine and such. But the much stronger ones such as H and fentanyl is where my I do not know as much. From my little understanding fentanyl is not very euphoric and from this danger could arise from redosing.
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Thanks for the explanation and understanding :D Yea I am familiar (though not experienced) in those weaker forms of pharmaceutical opiates and that's also where my knowledge ends.

Thats a usefil bit about the euphoria. Didnt know that.
 
Anytime! That's one thing i've heard/read about fentanyl. It's VERY potent and an extremely good painkiller. People OD a lot trying to push it, and I understand there's not much room to mess around with this stuff. (It's been used to immobilize elephants!) Anything that's 80-100 times more potent than morphine and not very euphoric is pretty damn dangerous. My 2 cents would be if your GF wants an opiate high with no tolerance try something like codeine or hydrocodone aka vicodin.
 
Fentanyl patches become exponentially more dangerous once cut, regardless of the dose. The patches are built with a time-release matrix so that the dose is released slowly over several days. There is no way to know how much fentanyl was being delivered and how quickly, because it can seep out of a cut edge unchecked. Very dangerous stuff.
 
Naroc14 said:
Fentanyl patches become exponentially more dangerous once cut, regardless of the dose. The patches are built with a time-release matrix so that the dose is released slowly over several days. There is no way to know how much fentanyl was being delivered and how quickly, because it can seep out of a cut edge unchecked. Very dangerous stuff.
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It wasnt the gel kind, is this what you were talking about?
 
You're absolutely right to be worried...but if she applied the patch to her skin (as opposed to an unintended ROA) then she was more safe than if she's taken it sublingually/IV etc.

She probably would have been in trouble if she'd taken it any other way than transdermally. As you are well aware, fentanyl is not something to experiment with.
 
You're definitely right that taking fentanyl is often not a smart move.. But doing what she did (applying the patch) is actually how they're prescribed to be used. The real danger is when people fuck with the patches to inject/smoke them (or otherwise get around the slow-release mechanism).

That said - even applying a half a fent patch, with no opiate tolerance, can be a death sentence.
 
Although, as someone else mentioned, tampering with the patch before applying *could* lead to a leak with some forms, which could obviously be very dangerous.

As others have mentioned, it isn't even a particularly great high - it IS incredibly strong, but it is an agonist of the wrong MU sub-receptor (there is like A & B if my memory serves) and most 'good' opiates target one and fent targets the other - results in an incredibly strong drug, that makes you feel like re-dosing because you don't feel euphoric. Basically - you will 'nod' very hard, but you won't feel fantastic like with other opiates.

Basically, it is a pretty shitty drug. There is a good reason heroin is still king, despite there being plenty of much stronger opiates around; it has minimal negative effects combined with all the good effects.
 
mostly-human said:
Although, as someone else mentioned, tampering with the patch before applying *could* lead to a leak with some forms, which could obviously be very dangerous.

As others have mentioned, it isn't even a particularly great high - it IS incredibly strong, but it is an agonist of the wrong MU sub-receptor (there is like A & B if my memory serves) and most 'good' opiates target one and fent targets the other - results in an incredibly strong drug, that makes you feel like re-dosing because you don't feel euphoric. Basically - you will 'nod' very hard, but you won't feel fantastic like with other opiates.

Basically, it is a pretty shitty drug. There is a good reason heroin is still king, despite there being plenty of much stronger opiates around; it has minimal negative effects combined with all the good effects.
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Thank you! Very good post.
 
mostly-human said:
Although, as someone else mentioned, tampering with the patch before applying *could* lead to a leak with some forms, which could obviously be very dangerous.

As others have mentioned, it isn't even a particularly great high - it IS incredibly strong, but it is an agonist of the wrong MU sub-receptor (there is like A & B if my memory serves) and most 'good' opiates target one and fent targets the other - results in an incredibly strong drug, that makes you feel like re-dosing because you don't feel euphoric. Basically - you will 'nod' very hard, but you won't feel fantastic like with other opiates.

Basically, it is a pretty shitty drug. There is a good reason heroin is still king, despite there being plenty of much stronger opiates around; it has minimal negative effects combined with all the good effects.
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Yeah good post.

But I have to disagree about the Heroin statement. You never know the purity of your Heroin, I've had apparent top grade Heroin in different parts of the world and it doesn't come close to Oxycodone. (IMO/IME)
 
The first time I ever did a fent patch, I had a small oxy habit of maybe 20 mg/day

I put on a 75 mcg patch. After an hour I didn't feel much. After 3 hours I felt good. After 6 hours I felt lightheaded and nauseous and threw up. Realized it was becoming too strong so I took it off. I was fortunate--taking it off stops more from entering your body but there is still fent pooled in your skin even after removal. So you can remove it and still OD

Later with a stronger opiate habit I could wear a whole 75 and it barely kept me out of withdrawal

With no habit, 25 mcg can be dangerous. If I were her I would wear 1/4 of a patch. And have someone with me. (The nongel are not stronger when you cut them. And the medication if evenly spread in that type)

Hope that helps. I used fent for over a year. It was more like oxy to me than h, more speedy. I found it euphoric--when I dosed buccally. But the brand that worked well buccally was discontinued. That's when I stopped using fent
 
50mcg was given to me 3 times an hour for 4-6 hours, once 100mcg. IV, too. Not sure why this is considered dangerous at all? This was all within 6 - 8 hours.
 
XANAX XR said:
50mcg was given to me 3 times an hour for 4-6 hours, once 100mcg. IV, too. Not sure why this is considered dangerous at all? This was all within 6 - 8 hours.
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Because it kills people? Seriously I cant even begin to describe how dangerous that was. How are you not dead? You probably use a ton of opiates. This is a harm reduction thread and I will bet my ass that was a very unwise decision.
 
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