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Do you believe a Heroin habbit would be a problem if it was fully legal?

No they don´t. You don´t get euphoric when taking methadone, although it´s strong and stays in your system longer.
Suboxone is used to help people´s w/d and even though you may get a little buzz of that it´s not the idea.
Not so many meds are like heroin. Some are stronger some are on the same level, like Opana or Oxys, but not the same.
 
So it's just maintaining. When I went to rehab I'm not going to lie I was pissed. I was the only alcoholic there and everyone else was getting suboxone or methadone. I couldn't understand why I couldn't get a benzo.
 
I've heard that the majority of people surveyed in drug treatment programs stated they were only there to avoid convictions (I.e. suspended sentences) for pretrial diversion programs.
While this may indicate the illegality of it helps addicts, it fails to recognize one point:
You CAN'T force someone out of an addiction. If they are in treatment just to avoid jail, they won't take it seriously or even try to get anything out of it.
It's the drug users actively seeking help who get cured.
You have to want to get better to get better.
 
ihearthemoose said:
So it's just maintaining. When I went to rehab I'm not going to lie I was pissed. I was the only alcoholic there and everyone else was getting suboxone or methadone. I couldn't understand why I couldn't get a benzo.
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Suboxone and methadone are not benzos though.
I believe you should have been entitled to benzos, like Valium or Xanax.
It´s part of the treatment, either way..
 
^^ Trying2Iso

Yup! So true - One has to want to change, not 'need' to!
Punishment doesn't work… Substance users will just keep cycling through the system until they make a conscious decision to change and get help. The motivation should be intrinsic, not forced...
Sometimes outside facilitation 'will' work, and make a person rethink what is going on through the consequences that happen, but it doesn't always stick…. and is not a genuine solution to help someone with an illness, period. :)
 
SoaV said:
Did anyone mention nations where heroin is currently legal in 'personal amounts', like Portugal for instance?

Do you know what would happen if heroin were made legal? There were would be higher rates of addiction, unemployment, and death to the heinous nature of this drug. Of course every addict wants all drugs legal, and honestly alot of drugs should be legal.

But when it comes to a drug like methamphetamine, cocaine, and heroin, that serve no useful purpose where a much less addictive form of the same family/class of drug could fulfill said purpose, then one needs to find better serving solutions beyond the frame of the legal/illegal legality scope.
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I believe it gives the state full control. In some countries you are allowed to get your dose of heroin, everyday.
You go to a place and get free gear. In these places the crimes are under control. It´s not for everyone. But it humanizes the full process.
I could argue either way, but I think you can not generalize. It doesn´t work like that. It has to be done in phases but moving forward, always.
Prohibition has also shown that it does not work and shit happens the same way. We don´t have a scale to compare with so it´s only theory in most cases.
I think the Government can not insist in making the same errors and not trying something creative, innovative so to speak.
 
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Yes I know they are not benzos. I was given librium in detox, but not in rehab. I guess I didn't understand why they could stay on the heavier drugs and I couldn't
 
I suppose they use it for those with acute withdraw symptoms.
It can get very complicated and pretty ugly in some cases.
 
If heroin got legalized I would invest my money in agriculture as everyone would start growing pods and corporations would start doing multi million acre farms of them.
 
Well you'd have to spend a considerable amount of time being high probably
As i understand, heroin isn't the most productive drug out there...
 
Yeah..
Besides there would be a lot of controlling.
Like they do wherever it´s allowed to grow weed.
Not that easy, and not as profitable as one might think.
 
In Denmark, they are currently trying out a new way of dealing with the hardcore Heroin addicts.
First of all, "fix rooms" has been estabilised. It's a place where addicts can shoot up without having to worry about the cops.
Free fix equipment are handed out and there are some professionals around to handle ODs.
Denmark is by no means the first country to do this. They got these kinds of rooms in other countrys too.
They even got 2 mobile fixrooms driving around the country.
Now here's the part that would probably make some of you want to move there.
They hand out FREE pharmaceutical grade Heroin to the ones that are so deep into their addiction, that rehab seems pointless.
This is just on trial for the time being, but the results are promising so far (at least the last time I heard about it, it's quite some time ago), so maybe it will be a permanent thing soon.
By handing out free Heroin, the government is hoping to decrease Heroin addiction related crime and to make life more tolerable for the addicts.
A little OT, I know, but I thought that some of you mind find it interesting none the less.
 
I don't do heroin and I have not ever bought any drugs from streets beside marijuana.

Still I have got badly addicted to substances more potent than heroine. Hydromorphone and oxycodone mostly.

I guess that means that since I have got my DOCs legally through prescription I have been in a situation what would happen if heroine or other illegal drugs would be decriminalized and bought through pharmacies.

I still got addicted and somewhat messed my daily routine but not like those who used "illegal" drugs since I just walk to a pharmacy and get my fix and pay roughly 60USD for 98x20mg Oxycontin OC.

So legalization or decriminalization would get rid of those related issues but it won't ever do anything for the addiction.

IMHO the best way would be if maintenance treatment would be made available for everyone who wants and that should not lead to total absence until that addict wants it.

You would just go ta a maintenance Dr. and he would give you prescription and you get it from pharmacy and if you want you can get help to detox.
 
Being habituated to (especially IV) heroin is a serious health problem whether it is legal or not.
 
Sourtulip said:
In Denmark, they are currently trying out a new way of dealing with the hardcore Heroin addicts.
First of all, "fix rooms" has been estabilised. It's a place where addicts can shoot up without having to worry about the cops.
Free fix equipment are handed out and there are some professionals around to handle ODs.
Denmark is by no means the first country to do this. They got these kinds of rooms in other countrys too.
They even got 2 mobile fixrooms driving around the country.
Now here's the part that would probably make some of you want to move there.
They hand out FREE pharmaceutical grade Heroin to the ones that are so deep into their addiction, that rehab seems pointless.
This is just on trial for the time being, but the results are promising so far (at least the last time I heard about it, it's quite some time ago), so maybe it will be a permanent thing soon.
By handing out free Heroin, the government is hoping to decrease Heroin addiction related crime and to make life more tolerable for the addicts.
A little OT, I know, but I thought that some of you mind find it interesting none the less.
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Yeah, insite or 'safe rooms' - I think Canada has them also.
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Yes, in Vancouver they are very similar. And nobody seems to discriminate.
It´s confusing dealing with such liberty but also knowing that you are looked, and know all you can be for ever.
Really confusing thoughts and feelings about that. I mean, it must be a great relief but that´s it. Last stop.
 
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