Misc Phenibut/Gabapentin odd reaction

[muskolo]

Long short of it, I've been taking phenibut once or twice a week for a couple months but stopped a few weeks ago. One thing I started to notice a couple weeks before stopping was that for 1-3 days I would have period of what I can only describe is absolute rage. I mean, I wanted to physically hurt somebody. I live in an environment that would provoke that in somebody but usually I just get mad or can ignore it. This was different. I know it's related to the phenibut because I would only get that angry a day or two after taking it.

Flash forward a few weeks to this past weekend. I took a 900mg dose of gabapentin Friday and Saturday. Yesterday and today I am having the same issue. Moments of absolute rage. I also believe it's been flaring up my acne that I haven't had in a long time (a few years). It's all speculation though and I can't find an answer anywhere as to what could be causing this. Is it Dopamine Rebound? Is it mild withdrawal? (I doubt withdrawal because I sleep fine) In any case, I'm just going to stay away from it but I wonder is there anything that can help. I have no access to benzos but do have some l-theanine.

 

[muskolo]

Phenibut affects the GABAB receptors. GABAB plays around with a few things, one of them being VDCC's (Voltage-dependent calcium channels).

Gabapentin directly affects VDCC's.

They might touch completely different receptors initially, but somewhere down the line they influence both. I've personally noticed similarities between phenibut and gabapentin withdrawal, and know from personal experience that taking gabapentin a while after you've quit phenibut can occasionally bring on a temporary 1-3 day phenibut like withdrawal, as if the receptors are still a little fried and you just rekindled things. Yet at the same time this might be the reason why gabapantin and pregabalin work so wonderfully with phenibut withdrawal.

It's likely not rebound, but just agitation and irritation from some mild temporary withdrawal. I've actually had a similar reaction before in a very similar scenario (This time I had quit Phenibut about 2 weeks earlier and took 1200mg of gabapentin one night), and it went away within 2 days. For me it actually confusingly peaked on the 2nd day, but then went away completely on the 3rd. On the 2nd day I felt like I wanted to punch the wall and break windows.

Wow, this is great. Thanks a lot for taking the time to give such great information!

 

[Keif' Richards]

Don't ever expect a "predictable" reaction with either of these substances.

I've only recently experience phenibut. I bought a 40g sample from a legit vendor and took it like the addict I am compulsively over about a 5 day period. It's a legal, unregulated substance, so I wasn't expecting much more than some kind of tease. The first couple of days I noticed some slight beneficial effects. Relaxation, contentment, enhanced sociability etc. The honeymoon phase with this substance was over pretty quickly. By the end of day 2, I found myself in an uncomfortable dream-like state akin to DXM in a way. I reiterate it was uncomfortable and not fun. I'm in sales and I found myself talking about increasingly non-sensical things with clients. Emotional lability is clearly an issue with this drug, as in the morning I was listening to music and having a grand old time, but after my lunch hour I was crying in the bathroom. What the Fuck?

Neurontin is similar, albeit less abusable in my opinion. Higher than recommended dosing typically would leave me feeling the same uncomfortable dream-like state. There was a transient buzzed feeling from the neurontin just as there was from the phenibut. From the literature I've read, they are both believed to act on the same GABA system, so one might expect similar effects. Again, it's not something that I would take chronically by choice. There were just too many side effects as with the phenibut.

You just don't really know what to expect with these drugs in my opinion, although pregabalin is the most promising recreationally of the available drugs in this class. OP, I would be extremely weary of consuming a substance that causes you to feel "rage". There are other more predictable substances out there.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Yeah that was a good post for a new person to this site.
Good to have you here Kirkland.
And Welcome to Bluelight if you haven't already been welcomed

Back on topic:
I take phenibut daily (only 300mg in the AM) worked down from 500mg 4x day to 300 4x day then 3, 2, now at once a day.
I don't experience any rage like symptoms. Could it be because I taper? I can take a few days off it also so i know im "home-free" in getting off it.
Only thing that keeps me at the 300mg a day is 1- i have it around and 2- helps my chronic RLS and lower back and leg pains.

-HOOD

 

[muskolo]

OP, I would be extremely weary of consuming a substance that causes you to feel "rage". There are other more predictable substances out there.

Just re-read this and it's great advice. Not sure what to think now. It's been around 2 weeks since I made this post and I am still having episodic rage problems. I started taking some supplements like l-theanine (which helps sometimes) and l-tyrosine (only a couple times, didn't care for it) but to no avail. Not sure wtf is going on besides being around people and places that incite rage in me. It's just that even if it bothered me in the past, it's now causing me to have implosive (as opposed to acting out on it) rage. It really sucks and I am stuck where I am at for 1 year.

I don't know, I'm getting the feeling that it is not going to pass on its own at this point. Either me fucking with Gaba-b did permanent damage or it's taking a long time to heal up.

 

[neelux]

phenibut is fucked up... and it gives diarrhea