astral travel

[mabzie55]

Anyone else have experience with this?

I have sleep paralysis 2ish times per week, (for those of you who don't know what that is, your body is asleep but your mind id awake and you basically trip balls and can't move) and if I don't fight it my arms float up and I leave my body and can then move around.

I have to make am effort to keep going or I will be pulled back to my body.

I have met with many entities including those who claim to be demons.
I've actually had sex with demons and many are insanely beautiful women .. uh... Demon Women.

Anyway at first I thought it was all in my head but lately it just seems so real that I'm starting to question if I am going to an actual different realm.

So anyone else do this
Are demons real?
Thoughts?

And I know someone is going to get confused and talk about some crazy dream they had so-- this is not about dreams.

 

[rickolasnice]

It is all in your head.

You are basically lucid dreaming. It's fun.. enjoy

 

[ParappaTheRapper]

Astral projection fascinates me. Love that shit. I've experienced it several times on DMT, nitrous, and some others before. I've sort of landed at understanding I will never know the truth until after I die.

This song by the beatles defines it perfectly:
Without going out of your door
You can know all things on Earth
Without looking out of your window
You could know the ways of Heaven


Also this excerpt and whole documentary is great. Ive posted it before in a few places.


hope its okay to post the links. Namaste

 

[mabzie55]

It is all in your head.

You are basically lucid dreaming. It's fun.. enjoy

Except I'm not lucid dreaming.
I've lucid dreamt many times and this is no dream.
Similar, yeah, but it's not a dream.

I find that no one who has experienced sleep paralysis and accompanying out of body experiences really understands what it is or the fact that it is not like a dream.

You are completely conscious as if you are awake, unlike in a lucid dream where you are simply aware.

 

[rickolasnice]

Prove you can do it and you can claim 1 million dollars.

 

[Foreigner]

I don't know about having sex with entities. There are different levels of the astral plane. The most mundane one is the one parallel to this physical reality, which lets you walk around our world while in the astral state. But you can go higher than that, usually with a shift in your own frequency, or lower, which is not usually desirable.

I usually avoid entity contact while in the astral, mostly because it's hard to know what is trustworthy. I've been attacked before, and tend to escape by just raising my frequency. I think if you meddle too much with other lifeforms, they might stick around even when you're awake. You don't want things coming to visit you unannounced or uninvited.

If beings are taking on the form of attractive women to get to you, and it's not actually some kind of dream, then you're kind of fucked.

Prove you can do it and you can claim 1 million dollars.

No one has to "prove" anything. We're just talking.

 

[mabzie55]

Prove you can do it and you can claim 1 million dollars.

Wat

Do you even know what sleep paralysis is?
Or astral travel?

 

[mabzie55]

I don't know about having sex with entities. There are different levels of the astral plane. The most mundane one is the one parallel to this physical reality, which lets you walk around our world while in the astral state. But you can go higher than that, usually with a shift in your own frequency, or lower, which is not usually desirable.

I usually avoid entity contact while in the astral, mostly because it's hard to know what is trustworthy. I've been attacked before, and tend to escape by just raising my frequency. I think if you meddle too much with other lifeforms, they might stick around even when you're awake. You don't want things coming to visit you unannounced or uninvited.

If beings are taking on the form of attractive women to get to you, and it's not actually some kind of dream, then you're kind of fucked.



No one has to "prove" anything. We're just talking.

Yeah I would assume demons don't have the best intentions, but this is not something that occurred often, and hasn't in years (the sex) so I doubt I'm in any danger.
The entities I'm referring to are more like... A puppy with a bad attitude. Not too high on the evil scale.
I can sense the things that are actually truly evil and tend to stay away from them, pretty easy to tell actually. (For me at least)
I appreciate the advice, but I've been astral traveling for years and I can handle myself and everything else.
And anyway I have an astral guide that would hopefully help me out if things ever did get more than I could handle.

I always was unsure if it was real or just some sort of altered state of mind. But lately I've been feeling it's all real.

Anyway I stick around the parallel plane maybe 70% of the time and hang out with the things in my house but sometimes go to different planes, usually I further raise myself and fly into a certain spot on the wall to go to another one.

 

[rickolasnice]

Wat

Do you even know what sleep paralysis is?
Or astral travel?

Yes, i do.. both exist within your head, both real phenomena but both also, figments of your imagination.

I have experienced both.. To believe that you are actually leaving your body and exploring the physical world is, imo, naive to say the least.

 

[HypGnosis]

Hey Rick, what do you make of this article about a study published the journal Resuscitation. It contains evidence that people seem to be leaving their bodies, or that their awareness continues after death.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...r-death-in-biggest-ever-scientific-study.html

The largest ever medical study into near-death and out-of-body experiences has discovered that some awareness may continue even after the brain has shut down completely.
It is a controversial subject which has, until recently, been treated with widespread scepticism.
But scientists at the University of Southampton have spent four years examining more than 2,000 people who suffered cardiac arrests at 15 hospitals in the UK, US and Austria.
And they found that nearly 40 per cent of people who survived described some kind of ‘awareness’ during the time when they were clinically dead before their hearts were restarted.
One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room.
Despite being unconscious and ‘dead’ for three minutes, the 57-year-old social worker from Southampton, recounted the actions of the nursing staff in detail and described the sound of the machines.

 

[rickolasnice]

I'm assuming that the person who left his body and saw the medics working on him was hooked up to an MRI scanner which showed no brain activity during this time? And he was able to accurately describe things, such as the exact actions and appearances of the medics, during that time?

Unconscious is not the same as dead.

That is my initial thoughts.. I'll read the study rather than the article a bit later.

With a tiny bit of looking into it.. None of these people were dead.. they were unconscious.. And a quick look at the paper reveals a less than impressive percentage of people reporting things contrary to what that article suggests. As with all entertainment orientated news.. The claims are wildly exaggerated, the data is cherry picked and the conclusion is over-hyped nonsense.

Do people experience things while unconscious? Sometimes.

That's pretty much all the study suggests..

And when you consider the authors history with his father.. you cannot rule out confirmation bias.

 

[Foreigner]

I'm assuming that the person who left his body and saw the medics working on him was hooked up to an MRI scanner which showed no brain activity during this time? And he was able to accurately describe things, such as the exact actions and appearances of the medics, during that time?

Unconscious is not the same as dead.

That is my initial thoughts.. I'll read the study rather than the article a bit later.

With a tiny bit of looking into it.. None of these people were dead.. they were unconscious.. And a quick look at the paper reveals a less than impressive percentage of people reporting things contrary to what that article suggests. As with all entertainment orientated news.. The claims are wildly exaggerated, the data is cherry picked and the conclusion is over-hyped nonsense.

Do people experience things while unconscious? Sometimes.

That's pretty much all the study suggests..

And when you consider the authors history with his father.. you cannot rule out confirmation bias.

I think it's hard to say either way since we don't really know the nature of consciousness, just that the obvious external signs of consciousness cease when the body is no longer functioning. There's no evidence that consciousness discontinues just because the body ceases to function, only an assumption that it does based on the outward signs (motionlessness, no heart beat, no brain activity, physical decay, etc). That assumption may be completely incorrect.

It's not possible for an unconscious person to describe visual information about the room in great detail when their eyes are closed and they're supposed to be flat lining. There's more going on there.

 

[rickolasnice]

You're assuming that person never saw the room while conscious? Either before or after.

My previous post was merely pointing out that the article made that study out to be something it wasn't.. with the help of the author pushing his beliefs as if the science suggests the same thing.. it doesn't.

 

[mabzie55]

Anyway, let's get back on track here.

There's no point to a debate between two people who are not going to change their minds.

Whether it is real or not is really of little consequence. It's being experienced the same way regardless-- and it also comes down to your definition of real.

If real things are things you can see, touch, taste, hear, etc then it's definitely real.

I mean, you could make the same argument for it being all in your head about waking life, anyway.

I'm more interested about personal experience here, the issue if reality was a side-note.

 

[HypGnosis]

With a tiny bit of looking into it.. None of these people were dead.. they were unconscious..

So the author of the article has mislead his loyal readers by claiming the subjects were clinically dead, when they were merely unconscious?

And a quick look at the paper reveals a less than impressive percentage of people reporting things contrary to what that article suggests.

I haven't read the paper, but as you've found it, dya think you could link me up?

As with all entertainment orientated news.. The claims are wildly exaggerated, the data is cherry picked and the conclusion is over-hyped nonsense.

Hehe, your position does not surprise me
Remember though friend, this is just the beginning of an emerging trend. More and more respectable journals are publishing this kind of stuff...

Keep your ears and eyes peeled; The Revolution of Soul is here

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I've had an OBE (out of body experience); but it was during a lucid dream, and I would just fly around and go to places, or go into space and become pure energy, and then go down to the cellular level in plants. No I was not on drugs and these happened when I was sober.

 

[ForEverAfter]

I've experienced what people refer to as astral travel, including drug-induced and sober meditation-induced experiences... I have also died numerous times, which results in a similar - although much more intense - experience.

Rick, I'm not sure why you spend a lot of time on a spirituality forum telling people with absolute certainty that you know things that you cannot know. It says more about you, and what you want to believe, than it does about any particular subject.

Prove you can do it and you can claim 1 million dollars.

This is childish. I've seen you make similarly unwarranted, patronizing comments in other threads. You're asking unanswerable questions. How about you prove it can't be done and get your million dollars?

...

Priest, how can you have an OBE while having a lucid dream?

 

[rickolasnice]

So the author of the article has mislead his loyal readers by claiming the subjects were clinically dead, when they were merely unconscious?

Having no heart beat does not mean you are dead / have no brain activity. So in a way, yes, although probably not intending to (if talking about the media article).. If talking about the author of the paper (Dr Parnia) then there's a chance he knew full well what he was doing, either to gain coverage / funding or because he so wants what he's implying to be true, he believes it is.

I haven't read the paper, but as you've found it, dya think you could link me up?

http://www.resuscitationjournal.com/article/S0300-9572(14)00739-4/fulltext

 

[ForEverAfter]

Having no heart beat does not mean you are dead / have no brain activity. So in a way, yes, although probably not intending to.

That's pretty flimsy. What evidence (or other reasons) do you have that - despite the fact they were clinically dead - they had significant brain activity? It sounds like you want to believe what you want to believe, so you assume supporting facts that back up your agenda. (I'm not taking sides, either way.)

You seem as blind\stubborn with your scepticism as meth is with his literal interpretations of scripture.

 

[rickolasnice]

I've experienced what people refer to as astral travel, including drug-induced and sober meditation-induced experiences... I have also died numerous times, which results in a similar - although much more intense - experience.

Rick, I'm not sure why you spend a lot of time on a spirituality forum telling people with absolute certainty that you know things that you cannot know. It says more about you, and what you want to believe, than it does about any particular subject.



This is childish. I've seen you make similarly unwarranted, patronizing comments in other threads. You're asking unanswerable questions. How about you prove it can't be done and get your million dollars?

Are you not in the evolution thread arguing for evolution, something science says is fact?

Well I'm here because science says this is not fact, and it is explained in a variety of ways, depending on what it is we're discussing.

In the fields of cognitive science and psychology OBEs are considered dissociative experiences arising from different psychological and neurological factors.[5][8][9][10][11][12][13] Scientists consider the OBE to be an experience from a mental state, like a dream or an altered state of consciousness without recourse to the paranormal.[36]

Charles Richet (1887) held that OBEs are created by the subject's memory and imagination processes and are no different from dreams.[37][38] James Hyslop (1912) wrote that OBEs occur when the activity of the subconscious mind dramatizes certain images to give the impression the subject is in a different physical location.[39] Eugèn Osty (1930) considered OBEs to be nothing more than the product of imagination.[40] Other early researchers (such as Schmeing, 1938) supported psychophysiological theories.[41] G. N. M. Tyrrell interpreted OBEs as hallucinatory constructs relating to subconscious levels of personality.[42]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience#Neurology_and_OBE-like_experiences

And that any study worth anything has found no evidence people are actually leaving their bodies.

The 1 million dollars comment was referencing James Randi's prize for anyone that can prove the existence of the paranormal

http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html

Many have tried, nobody has succeeded, surprisingly enough.

How can it not be possible to prove that someone is actually leaving their body and SEEING things that exist in the material world? Isn't that like saying it's impossible to prove someone can see? (exaggerating, i know)