RCs Some early A-PVP (alpha-PVP) vs. MDPV comparisons...

[Dedbeet]

(Mods... IMO, this info is "intermediate level", so whether it belongs in "basic" or "advanced" I don't know).

aPVP (alpha-PVP) vs. MDPV comparison:

Fwiw, my qualifications: Frequent, broad and in-depth experience with MDPV practically since the day it came out in the early-mid 2000's, and a recent introduction to aPVP via a well-trusted and reliable source (thus, this comparison is accurate, but subject to updates).

**These are two very similar chemicals in structure, related to pyrovalerone and resembling non-identical twins in their nature, or a "female" vs. "male" mallard duck... however, they both walk, look and quack like a duck, not a duck/horse for example.

MDPV is structurally more complex than pyrovalerone (added "methylenedioxy" ring with unknown or no pharmacologic effects), while a-PVP is structurally simpler (subtracted "methyl" component, again to unknown or no pharmacologic effect).

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MDPV (appearance): Powdery white-to-tan.
A-PVP: Clumpy tan to dark tan.

MDPV (odor): Mild "pyrrolidine" type odor (like smelly sweat-socks).
A-PVP: Heavier (moderate) "pyrrolidine" type odor.

MDPV (solubility): Dissolves in H2O with difficulty, mild "pyrrolidine" type odor in solution.
A-PVP: Dissolves readily, heavier (moderate) "pyrrolidine" type odor in solution.

MDPV (smokeability): Vapes somewhat uncleanly (can blacken, catch fire), mild to moderate harshness/odor.
A-PVP: Vapes very easily/cleanly, moderate to heavy harshness/odor.

MDPV (onset and duration): Slow to medium onset of effects, lesser dosage needed, greater duration.
A-PVP: Rapid onset of effects (all tested ROA's), 1/4 to 1/3 greater dosage needed, lesser duration.

Summary (useful info): a-PVP "feels" cruder and harsher, yet simpler and more predictable than MDPV. It has a faster come-on, similar peak and faster/easier comedown, and is far less desirable to binge on for long periods. MDPV fans will feel about the same / lesser toward aPVP, but those who *dislike* MDPV may dislike it less. Vapers may experience throat pain, chest pain and lung heaviness/damage. It is likely (from my research, including contact with a professional source that suggests it) that a-PVP degrades/loses potency substantially faster than MDPV, whether in solution or not, and so care in storage is more of a factor.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

I think this is better in Other Drugs, although drug comparisons aren't really allowed I think this thread has potential...

BDD --> OD

 

[Dedbeet]

Thanks, I just intended it as informational, fwiw, and for harm reduction purposes -- the more people know about a substance, the more safely they can act out of that knowledge, and the reason I did a comparison is because MDPV is well known at this point and the comparison is purely for purposes of clarifying the situation with a-PVP (which is unknown to a lot of people).

To put it another way, RC's are for research! ... and I enjoy to contribute to that research, whether in a subjective or objective way, mostly for harm reduction but also to contribute to the general body of knowledge regarding substances of this type.

Peace...

 

[EViLDeD]

I tried MDPV and A-PVP together in a capsule recently and had very very positive effects (50mg of each in a capsule) It was 4 hours of strong euphoria and hyper speedy ness with a 2 hour comedown that wasn't so bad. I would definitely try again soon. For the record it was tan mdpv and crystal a-pvp.

 

[Student76]

Perhaps you read that I take for 3 years 3MMC 300-600 mg a day without sideeffects.
But I begins to loose its power.And I must up the dosage to 1 g a day.


Your wrote about alpha PVP.I have a good shop.
Is it for you euphoric?Ritalin and Amphetamin was not mood lifting at all for me.
So when someone writes euphoric for me means mood lift to normal mood because I have severe depression.
I try all meds so no options than Rcs.

If you say Its not something like MDPV( i got psychotic) and has a little serotonin feeling with primary dopamine
then I try it.


Thanks if you reply

Anja

 

[gavatron@oz]

I tried MDPV and A-PVP together in a capsule recently and had very very positive effects (50mg of each in a capsule) It was 4 hours of strong euphoria and hyper speedy ness with a 2 hour comedown that wasn't so bad. I would definitely try again soon. For the record it was tan mdpv and crystal a-pvp.

The tan you speak of isn't what the posts Pre 2010 speak of regarding the mdpv. The strength of PV is extremely variable pending vender , age & storage method . Quality had diminished as vendors prices fluctuated .

Not to take any merit from the post ,50+ 50mg ingested first time is a fare dose, mind you I don't care for digestion of provalerones . Far too mellow and misses all the fun . Slightly dragged out.

I myself only got to dabble in the early days , but it's changed through it's rise and fall. The effects of both apvp and mdpv are specifically pronounced batch to batch. Some are more likely to emphasize more of the negatives you hear of .
Audible hallucinations , very very real and often the conversation from early interaction in the day seem to often pop up , and the music ...,, very real but enjoyable once you let go of the seat belt with those white knuckles

 

[sackynut]

Very interesting post OP, thanks!

I have experience with aPVP, and just recently picked up some MDPV to try out.
I smoked both for my ROA when using them.

I agree for the most part in terms of effects and negatives:
-aPVP is more predictable, much more more-ish, comes on stronger and faster.
-MDPV is a bit less speedy, and just a TAD (I mean just a little ity bitty bit) psychedelic, at least compared to aPVP.
-Both make me very horny, however aPVP is the way to go if you want to do some nasty nasty things, and get grimey sexually. MDPV is definitely sexual but not anymore than say 2FMA or Amphetamine in my opinion.
-Both taste like straight up shit when smoked, and ruin your teeth if you do not constantly wash your mouth out and wash your teeth periodically. Stay hydrated, trust me, my teeth went from beautiful to meh in a matter of 7 days because I disregarded brushing my teeth while binging aPVP. That is permanent, and I honestly regret it 100%
-Never had any hallucinations or paranoia from either really. Sleep deprivation will cause that, but the drug itself, cannot say it has caused those side effects for me.

I found sleep after 3-4 hours dosing on MDPV to be easy, whereas aPVP, sleep was impossible for something like 8 hours.

Still experimenting though so that's all the information I have to provide. Wish they didn't taste so damn bad.

Peace, my two cents.

 

[bjznoviskey]

Never gotten dark or even tan aPVP... I'd look for the pure white chunk crystals mate. Pure stuff, real good. Also never experienced any harshness of which you speak when vaping

 

[Student76]

Hey.Jesus alias Matt wrote me a private message:

a-PVP to me is what MDPV should have been. It carries far less side effects (especially if taken orally in 3-4 doses over a 24 hour day), doesn't have the nightmare comedown or anxiety, and as long as you keep the doses reasonable, and don't start snorting or smoking it, I'd bet a lot that it'd be just the drug you need for your issues.

Do you think you can throw in little of a serotonergic like 25 mg 3-MMC or 10 mg 5-MAPB?I find MDPV helped my mood not at all.But 14 houres of hyper focus from 20mg.

Thanks Anja from Stockholm

 

[sackynut]

Hey.Jesus alias Matt wrote me a private message:

a-PVP to me is what MDPV should have been. It carries far less side effects (especially if taken orally in 3-4 doses over a 24 hour day), doesn't have the nightmare comedown or anxiety, and as long as you keep the doses reasonable, and don't start snorting or smoking it, I'd bet a lot that it'd be just the drug you need for your issues.

Do you think you can throw in little of a serotonergic like 25 mg 3-MMC or 10 mg 5-MAPB?I find MDPV helped my mood not at all.But 14 houres of hyper focus from 20mg.

Thanks Anja from Stockholm

3-MMC isnt really serotonergic. Why would you post someones PM in public. Pm stands for PRIVATE

 

[gavatron@oz]

Hey.Jesus alias Matt wrote me a private message:

a-PVP to me is what MDPV should have been. It carries far less side effects (especially if taken orally in 3-4 doses over a 24 hour day), doesn't have the nightmare comedown or anxiety, and as long as you keep the doses reasonable, and don't start snorting or smoking it, I'd bet a lot that it'd be just the drug you need for your issues.

Do you think you can throw in little of a serotonergic like 25 mg 3-MMC or 10 mg 5-MAPB?I find MDPV helped my mood not at all.But 14 houres of hyper focus from 20mg.

Thanks Anja from Stockholm

This student nob has been spamming and fucking around mixing up and re quoting pm's and posts all over making uneducated recommendations .. Go away