The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

[bit_pattern]

Its certainly not saying this.

Are black people of all ethnic and cultural backgrounds simply genetically predisposed to violence and crime, regardless of every other factor that we tend to associate with the causation of the behavior? Black just equals violent and white just equals peaceful?

Your off your rocker right now and im not even gonna respond to your posts. You have some odd interpretations of things. Happy trolling kid

It's not saying it, it's inferring it.

 

[Bardeaux]

Man this is just picking fights now. Thats a pretty ridiculous question and just a good way to stir up trouble. Nobody has been saying this so why even bring that up.

Because if one is arguing that the violence cannot be explained beyond racial make up (Africa is more violent than Europe. African Americans are more violent than whites, etc), then this is exactly what they are saying.

I'm trying to move the discussion towards more realistic and precise determinants, rather than simply blaming genetics.

 

[legalizeall]

Because if one is arguing that the violence cannot be explained beyond racial make up (Africa is more violent than Europe. African Americans are more violent than whites, etc), then this is exactly what they are saying.

I'm trying to move the discussion towards more realistic and precise determinants, rather than simply blaming genetics.

Ok, I see where you were going with this. I think it was just the black people are violent and whites are peaceful that i took a little sideways. Always get an explanation from you which is nice, instead of the three of four letters the troll above seems to be able to come up with

 

[LosBlancos]

Because if one is arguing that the violence cannot be explained beyond racial make up (Africa is more violent than Europe. African Americans are more violent than whites, etc),

Those are both facts.

I'm trying to move the discussion towards more realistic and precise determinants, rather than simply blaming genetics.

Like blaming it on slavery and Jim Crow? If genetics are incapable of effecting behavior then why is the general consensus especially of the left that gay people are born that way?

 

[LosBlancos]

 

[ArCi]

Because if one is arguing that the violence cannot be explained beyond racial make up (Africa is more violent than Europe. African Americans are more violent than whites, etc), then this is exactly what they are saying.

I'm trying to move the discussion towards more realistic and precise determinants, rather than simply blaming genetics.

Like blaming it on slavery and Jim Crow? If genetics are incapable of effecting behavior then why is the general consensus especially of the left that gay people are born that way?

 

[Bardeaux]

Those are both facts.

But why? This is the part I'm interested in.

Like blaming it on slavery and Jim Crow? If genetics are incapable of effecting behavior then why is the general consensus especially of the left that gay people are born that way?

I thought you said it wasn't based in genetic predispositions to violence?

So are you saying that a culture's experience and social conditioning has no impact on behavior, its solely a racial condition?

I also wouldn't say that homosexuality is genetic. If this were the case, it would be passed on from generation to generation.

In any case, I'm still waiting for alternate explanations to what I've outlined. Something that explains the "why" portion of the question preferably.

 

[LosBlancos]

But why? This is the part I'm interested in.





I thought you said it wasn't based in genetic predispositions to violence?

So are you saying that a culture's experience and social conditioning has no impact on behavior, its solely a racial condition?

I also wouldn't say that homosexuality is genetic. If this were the case, it would be passed on from generation to generation.

In any case, I'm still waiting for alternate explanations to what I've outlined. Something that explains the "why" portion of the question preferably.

I didn't say it was genetics. See the ? mark it's a question, not a statement. As a said for America I think it stems from hip-hop culture hypnosis from music glamourizing violence, misogyny, crime, and drug sales. Mixed in with the victim culture from Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and for good measure we could say Eric Holder and Obama have contributed to the victim culture as well. If you notice how this Treyvon Martin case were handled and the Michael Brown shooting were handled it's quite evident the victimization card is being played by the media!

 

[What 23]

To simply say "it's genetic" (or is not) is missing part of the picture. I would say there are genetic influences/factors, which may not always determine.

I forget where it was and don't know if it is true or not- if it held up, but I seem to remember reading something about how fathers who have attraction to men produce daughters who are more... Was it fertile, or sexually active? There seemed to be some correlation.

 

[ArCi]

Wait.. so fathers who have had sex with a woman that produced a child, but are attracted to men?


Am I reading that correctly?

 

[What 23]

Basically. I may dig for it later.

I'm probably wrong specifically, but basically what I mean is that I think certain genes may factor in.

 

[paranoid android]

"white people in america are to blame."

I don't think anyone is saying this and it's far more telling of the way you look at things really then what anyone else is actually saying.

What i am saying is that it does not matter if a person is black, white, Hispanic, Asian, etc. You are thinking in terms of race (or as race has little meaning let's go with ethnic background) while those that realize that ethnic background have absolutely nothing to do with the problem realize that Socio-Economic status is a much bigger factor in things like crime don't think in yeah black and white at all . I certainly don't think white Americans or Canadians or British or where the fuck ever are to blame for every social ill that's for sure. However our oppressive class system which is fostered by the ruling class is to blame. I am white as a fucking ghost and i am certainly not what your ilk would describe as a self hating white liberal or whatever shit. But i do hate the system set up here solely to serve the elite (who are usually white thought this is hardly a requirement in today's society) and to oppress everyone else and make sure we do our part to keep this sick social contract alive.

Denying that every ethnic group is capable of the violence we are seeing in American inner city ghetto's with black's, Hispanics, etc is as bad really as saying only those ethnic groups are capable of that. You sound like someone who years ago would have been cursing those fucking Sicilians or Irish or Jews up in the clouds really. Every ethnic group in America has been a scapegoat at some point for the right wing and ruling elite i guess.

What sources did you use? Wikipedia gives next numbers:



via List of countries by intentional homicide rate

Though you were right about Russia and Moldova (9.2 and 6.5 respectively). You better should mention Lithuania (6.7) instead of Ukraine.

I didn't use Wiki and i really can't remember wtf i used lol. Maybe i looked at the source wrong or who the fuck knows. The Ukraine would be a bad example to use now anyway because of the recent political turmoil there so yes i should have went with Lithuania for a number of reasons really.

 

[LosBlancos]

Attorney General Eric Holder says that he is beyond exasperated — he is “mad,” in fact — at the leaks pouring out of the investigation into the police shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.
Holder even went so far as to advise those responsible for leaking the information to “shut up” in a public interview at the Washington Ideas Forum on Wednesday.
“I think that somebody, these leakers, have made the determination that they’re trying to somehow shape public opinion about this case,” Holder told The Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart.
“And that’s inconsistent with the way in which we conduct investigations, and especially grand jury investigations which are supposed to be secret.”
The leaks which have angered Holder include claims that the grand jury that has convened to weigh whether to press charges against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson has been provided with evidence that the officer fired two shots inside of his car during a struggle with Brown and that blood was found on his gun. That would seem to support Wilson’s claim that Brown attacked him.
Another leaker claimed that seven or eight African-American witnesses have provided testimony to the grand jury that supports Wilson’s version of events. Those witnesses are reportedly afraid to come forward publicly with their information. (REPORT: Witnesses Support Wilson’s Claims But Are Afraid To Come Forward)
Brown’s official autopsy was also leaked to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Two forensic pathologists who analyzed the results told the paper that the autopsy appeared to support Wilson’s claims. They said that Wilson had shot Brown in the hand, a finding which led one examiner to suggest that Brown mad have been reaching for Wilson’s weapon. The same examiner also said that the autopsy results suggested that Brown was not holding his hands up in a surrender position, which some witnesses have claimed.
“This notion of leaking out selective information, which started as early as release of that tape…the convenience store. And then these leaks about what happened in the car. These are all the kinds of things that I think are inappropriate. I’ve said I’m exasperated. That’s a nice way of saying it. I’m mad,” said Holder, who recently announced that he will leave the Department of Justice.
Holder also appeared to put the blame for the leaks on local law enforcement agencies rather than federal authorities.
http://news.yahoo.com/eric-holder-ferguson-leakers-shut-video-195049186.html

 

[legalizeall]

Ahhh. I thought poor defenseless Brown had his hands up. I mean isnt that how they are representing this whole thing down there. I saw just today a picture of a very large group of people with their hands up. Why did this whole story ever make the news in the very beginning?

 

[paranoid android]

Ahhh. I thought poor defenseless Brown had his hands up. I mean isnt that how they are representing this whole thing down there. I saw just today a picture of a very large group of people with their hands up. Why did this whole story ever make the news in the very beginning?

Well martial law was instilled for one that's how it made the news. Also the Brown case was hardly the first time the cops had pissed off the black community in Ferguson. The Brown case just acted as a tipping point plus it's been happening all over the country for awile now. And not just shooting black people either it's just that cops know they can get away with that more often.

I have yet to meet a cop i actually liked and as i come from a community where the Red Coats are rather unwelcome and seen as foreigners as they are now from here i can more then sympathize with the people of Ferguson. Around here the cops are always the last to know as the only people that go to them are bitches who are not exactly well liked themselves throughout the community. No one likes a fucking rat after all and bitches for the state are the lowest of the low. Personally i have found cons right from thieves up to killers to be more trustworthy then police. Hell any good lawyer will tell you not to get the police involved in any situation unless it is absolutely necessary as they make fucked up situations even more fucked up. My former lawyer who is a QC said "unless someone is going to kill you and you can't do anything about it yourself don't call the fucking mounties cause those fuckers just fuck things up more". I have yet to meet anyone who knows anything about the legal system disagree.

They have this Petite Bourgeois mentality of protecting private property against the people thus they are more then happy to protect the state against the people. They are there to serve and protect yes that much is true but they never say who they are there to serve and protect now do they? They are there to serve and protect the elite and the interests of the state nothing more nothing less.

 

[legalizeall]

Well martial law was instilled for one that's how it made the news. Also the Brown case was hardly the first time the cops had pissed off the black community in Ferguson. The Brown case just acted as a tipping point plus it's been happening all over the country for awile now. And not just shooting black people either it's just that cops know they can get away with that more often.

Im quite aware. i do live in the united states. thats pretty common knowledge now.

 

[LosBlancos]

Well martial law was instilled for one that's how it made the news. Also the Brown case was hardly the first time the cops had pissed off the black community in Ferguson.

Seems like they were looking for an excuse to go looting, some free shoes from Footlocker, free liqour, and just smashing and grabbing from many other stores. Had nothing to do with the "gentle giant" "honour student" Brown.

 

[alasdairm]

^ who's "they"?

alasdair

 

[LosBlancos]

^ who's "they"?

alasdair

The people looting, here is just one of hundreds of videos I won't bother posting them all. I'm sure alot of the Marxists here have no problem with this looting, my paycheck is looted every week to pay for the food stamps, housing, and health care of probably many of the people looting but it's not enough. Maybe some new Air Jordans were coming out that weekend.

 

[alasdairm]

^ this is you:

it's always somebody else's fault, right?

alasdair