Why is MDMA just not as good now? (Without abuse)

[Black]

i've had similar experiences. i've even made a list (which included my consumption of other drugs, trying to find a correlation). here's a small excerpt:

1) best experience (most likely mda)
next day
2) no euphoria
2 months break
3) amazing experience (it's all mdma from now on)
2 months break
4) muted by taking speed at the same time
2 months break
5) just like 3
2 months break
6) just like 3 (after the amphetamine wore off)
4 months break
7) no euphoria; i ended up taking >7 pills trying to reach that original state
6 months break
8 ) nearly no effects, dose too low
6 months break
9) just like 3
6 months break
10) some euphoria but not like 3
6 months break
11) just like 3
1 year break
12) no euphoria at all. (but the same pills and dose as 11)
1 year break
13) no euphoria at all. (same pills and slightly higher dose)
2 years break
14) some euphoria but not like 3


that's responsible use (except for 2 and 7), so normal tolerance surely isn't a factor. product quality was confirmed starting with 8.
one thing that is interesting is number 7 with no euphoria, but the magic was there again in subsequent trials. at first i suspected some adulterants that time, but in retrospect the effects were identical to later trials with no euphoria with good mdma. so the magic can definitely return.

so far the only correlations i have found were that very high expectations and smoking lots of dmt concides with rolls with no magic and that rolls that are just like number 3 only occured in places i had never been before...
but i don't know if these are just coincidences or if one or more of these factors really plays a role here.

 

[Kl519]

i've had similar experiences. i've even made a list (which included my consumption of other drugs, trying to find a correlation). here's a small excerpt:

1) best experience (most likely mda)
next day
2) no euphoria
2 months break
3) amazing experience (it's all mdma from now on)
2 months break
4) muted by taking speed at the same time
2 months break
5) just like 3
2 months break
6) just like 3 (after the amphetamine wore off)
4 months break
7) no euphoria; i ended up taking >7 pills trying to reach that original state
6 months break
8 ) nearly no effects, dose too low
6 months break
9) just like 3
6 months break
10) some euphoria but not like 3
6 months break
11) just like 3
1 year break
12) no euphoria at all. (but the same pills and dose as 11)
1 year break
13) no euphoria at all. (same pills and slightly higher dose)
2 years break
14) some euphoria but not like 3


that's responsible use (except for 2 and 7), so normal tolerance surely isn't a factor. product quality was confirmed starting with 8.
one thing that is interesting is number 7 with no euphoria, but the magic was there again in subsequent trials. at first i suspected some adulterants that time, but in retrospect the effects were identical to later trials with no euphoria with good mdma. so the magic can definitely return.

so far the only correlations i have found were that very high expectations and smoking lots of dmt concides with rolls with no magic and that rolls that are just like number 3 only occured in places i had never been before...
but i don't know if these are just coincidences or if one or more of these factors really plays a role here.

Hmm, interesting. I'd say that the magic comes back somewhat, but at least for me it wasn't where all my senses were heightened, felt electric in a good way and the length of the peak was at least 6 hours. Getting to #3 is reachable for some period of time, and then once abuse comes in it's incredibly hard to get to that state too. It almost becomes a "social meth" imo once it goes below that.

 

[terarc]

Ok, the rhodiola and st johns wort... I took each for about a week, at two random points during that 5 months break. I noticed nothing and so I stopped. The experience where I had a bad time due to my gf's anxiety attack, I took 125mg, which although I didn't have a great experience on, I think was too high a dose for me. I got some paranoid thinking in the experience that was a little scary, I weigh maybe 5kg less than I did during the first 3 rolls as well (and I'm quite light), so this is why I dropped the dose to 85 the next time (also to avoid too much intensity should another anxiety episode come into play. Again, I don't think it is a quality issue as most of this MD has been to a lab and I've always used top-tier sources.

The 2C-B issues, basically I decided to try 2C-B (this was a month before experience 3), and didn't get a high enough dose so was left intrigued as to what it really offered. Maybe a few weeks after the third experience, I got some more and did maybe 5 experiments, 3 at 14mg and 2 at 24mg, over the course a couple of months, getting to know the drug. On the last trip (24mg) I had quite a bad episode of anxiety (second of my life, first was at somepoint in the same period, with weed which I think may have been laced and gave us the first anxiety attack of our lives and a lasting depressive feeling) along with my girlfriend. It really shook us up for some time, feeling dissociated, anxious, occasionally depressed, and gave me minor HPPD. We decided never to use 2C-B again and I was also forced to quit weed as it made me anxious. However these effects have persisted for some time and are still somewhat present, having faded nearly 50% in a year. I can smoke weed ok again now, although choose not to, and other drugs are sometimes effected by this anxiety although not always and not to the extent that MDMA seems to be effected. I should mention that for a period of 8 months after this 2C-B thing I took no other drugs than MDMA, occasional weed and alcohol. I do think the problem is psychological, I just dunno wtf to do to cure it, I think it would do me good to have a powerful uplifting MDMA experience again with my girlfriend but we just can't get there.

 

[Kl519]

Now I feel like doing a timeline too, lol.

2005: April-first time. The magic happens.
Rest of 2005: some periods of weekly to monthly rolls (majority of them were spontaneous decisions). A few several day binges. Got strong rolls but nothing like my first time. Combined with weed and cigs throughout.

Until end of 2008: Pretty much the same.
Combined with weed and cigs throughout again, and occasionally Ritalin/Adderall and/or lsd/shrooms. The combos always got me floored. Still got strong rolls by itself though after taking 2 or more. I was still sensitive to it during this time.

2009: This is when abuse started. Myself and a small group of friends went nuts. Would chip in, pick up large amounts and then drop so much throughout the year while attending events and house raves. Like a "pot head," we became "etards." Combo same as above. I once picked up 50 pills at once, and finished it by myself in a little over a week. <- it was probably the stupidest, most wasteful and regretful thing I did concerning mdma. Rolls started disappearing, and became more of a "supplement" for me to feel "normal." At least music and lightshows were always fun.

2010: Barely dropped. Maybe once a month or less. Magic completely disappeared and became a "social meth."

Middle of 2010: Stopped completely. Moved onto other substances, but still stuck with weed and lsd. No meth/speed or e. This lasted until...

2013: Dropped sometimes every weekend, every other weekend, or monthly. Sometimes none at all for several months. Medium strength rolls in combo's, by itself the peak would last maybe half an hour to an hour. But whenever I tripped weekly, the peak would disappear altogether quickly.

Until now: Haven't taken it since. But I've collected a little bit since 2013, just to stare at it once in a while and remember the days. Will take them one day. I doubt the magic will ever come back, I've accepted it and just expect a strong roll at least.

My 20's in a nutshell. I wish I had been smarter/wiser with my usage.

 

[mb-909]

I abused it somehow in the beginning, but I have to say that I had the best times while abusing it.


1) 120 mg MDMA Hcl, pure

I didn't really feel that much better, than usual. I was more active (dancing a lot) and relaxed. No Euphoria.


2) 35-50 mg MDMA, 2 weeks later, pure

Slightly high, but not much more actice.


3) 134 mg MDMA, 2 weeks later, pure

Best time of my life. Rocking the world shirtlessly. Dancing a lot. And I was screaming "Wow, f**k that b+++h! F''k that b###h!!!" all the time.


4) 134 mg MDMA, 1 weeks later, pure

I was a little bit more active, but didn't feel the euphoria.


5) 134 mg MDMA, 1 weeks later, pure or a beer?

Euphoria. Was huging walls and people. Laughing and talking all the time.


6) 134 mg MDMA, mixed with 1 beer, 3 weeks later

Euphoria. Same as number 5.


7) 70 mg MDMA, mixed with 2-3 beer, 4 weeks later => Vision Problems

Was feeling kind of strange (hoping it was MDMA and not PMA), but still feeling the warmth around the people. Bad thing was that I took part in college exams 4 weeks later. I hadn't learned anything before the dose of E. So I started learning 2 weeks before my first exams. At that point I started to see a white lightning sometimes and black dots (posible neurotoxic effect? Or was it simply stress? I don't know. Edit: Possible lightning can be a result of bad blood flow in the brain ). It got better after I had the results of my exams. At least I passed 3 out of 5 subjects: physics, math and technology. Still I wouldn't recommend taking it before exams, because it puts extra stress on your brain, especially if there is no serotonin in your system.


8 )140 mg MDMA Hcl, mixed with 1 beer, 5 months later

I was very active, but didn't have that overwhelming feeling.


9) 100-140 mg MDMA, mixed with 1 beer, 5 and a half months later

No Euphoria. I was simply relaxed and had a fun time, even though I had bad thoughts the whole time, destroying the trip I guess.



Since the Euphoria is not coming back I quit and am focusing on rehabbing from my 7 years in depression. Overall I can say that it helped me greatly to start seeing my problems and to get help, which I really need right now.

 

[grals]

My experience.
Mdma use in 2008 6 time . Always good trip.
Next time all tablets were adulterated.
BZP, And other analogs.
Start use Amfetamin 3 years. very often
1 year systematically. Three four days without rest. 5th gr. amphetamine
From all tablets of euphoria wasn't.
In 2011 I for the first time tried MDA.
self-made. the very dirty.
Euphoria from it was much. I remembered at once as the mdma work. Very probably.
In a year tablets with mda got.
Euphoria too was much.
Though I didn't cease to use amphetamine.
Tolerance at me to a stimulator the big
But Mda returned me magic


Recently I tried a mdma 4 times. I did tests, Marquis always black.
But euphoria wasn't.
Bad quality of a mdma seems to me that perhaps now. Bad synthesis .
By an example of amphetamine.
I tried it much and a miscellaneous.
From one both happiness and euphoria. And from another only stimulation.
Perhaps different synthesis, different salts, different quality initial ingredients, different catalysts.
If that initially is to put a shit at the exit too a shit.
In one lab do good quality in another bad
Mdma not an exception.


Of course here a lot of things individually, but my opinion such.
That people with big tolerance require Mdma of very high quality.
that there was euphoria.


As the spoiled meat. By sight meat but if it is bad to eat.






I read responses from people who this year were on Ibiza.
There aren't a lot of tablets.
Nearly a weight of a tasta specify existence of Mdma in them.
From one tablets there is euphoria and from others isn't present.
Both there and there Marquis black.
Reports all identical.
Very strange

 

[Kl519]

^^Let me guess, English isn't your first language? Yet I still understood it and the spelling is accurate.

I'm surprised mdma can be gotten from the interwebz. Seems real sketchy that way.

 

[Crashing]

Sometimes i suspect the magic comes from the perfect ratio of MDMA/MDA in a pill. I've never had the same magical experience with pure MDMA that i've gotten from pressed pills. Same love and connection but also more energy and psychedelia than straight MDMA.

 

[Kl519]

I abused it somehow in the beginning, but I have to say that I had the best times while abusing it.


1) 120 mg MDMA Hcl, pure

I didn't really feel that much better, than usual. I was more active (dancing a lot) and relaxed. No Euphoria.


2) 35-50 mg MDMA, 2 weeks later, pure

Slightly high, but not much more actice.


3) 134 mg MDMA, 2 weeks later, pure

Best time of my life. Rocking the world shirtlessly. Dancing a lot. And I was screaming "Wow, f**k that b+++h! F''k that b###h!!!" all the time.


4) 134 mg MDMA, 1 weeks later, pure

I was a little bit more active, but didn't feel the euphoria.


5) 134 mg MDMA, 1 weeks later, pure or a beer?

Euphoria. Was huging walls and people. Laughing and talking all the time.


6) 134 mg MDMA, mixed with 1 beer, 3 weeks later

Euphoria. Same as number 5.


7) 70 mg MDMA, mixed with 2-3 beer, 4 weeks later => Vision Problems

Was feeling kind of strange (hoping it was MDMA and not PMA), but still feeling the warmth around the people. Bad thing was that I took part in college exams 4 weeks later. I hadn't learned anything before the dose of E. So I started learning 2 weeks before my first exams. At that point I started to see a white lightning sometimes and black dots (posible neurotoxic effect? Or was it simply stress? I don't know. Edit: Possible lightning can be a result of bad blood flow in the brain ). It got better after I had the results of my exams. At least I passed 3 out of 5 subjects: physics, math and technology. Still I wouldn't recommend taking it before exams, because it puts extra stress on your brain, especially if there is no serotonin in your system.


8 )140 mg MDMA Hcl, mixed with 1 beer, 5 months later

I was very active, but didn't have that overwhelming feeling.


9) 100-140 mg MDMA, mixed with 1 beer, 5 and a half months later

No Euphoria. I was simply relaxed and had a fun time, even though I had bad thoughts the whole time, destroying the trip I guess.



Since the Euphoria is not coming back I quit and am focusing on rehabbing from my 7 years in depression. Overall I can say that it helped me greatly to start seeing my problems and to get help, which I really need right now.

Hey, good luck with your depression. Remember to think positively and work on reducing your stress. My dad use to tell me to just be grateful I'm alive, because you never know when you'll go. The most precious resource is life, after all.

I've seen people drink beer with e, but I thought it wasn't a good mix? Does it help with increasing effects? Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm not a drinker so I wouldn't really know. =)

I would go to classes rolling, but not on exam days. That's too hardcore, lol. I tend to flip a switch, where I'll get super serious when I need to be.

Cramming can be intense too. That's where the Ritalin comes into play, lol. It just sucks when your hand sticks to the paper when you're writing, then it gets all smudged and the paper curls up (from sweaty palms).

 

[myr]

Reading some stories here encourages me not to ever fiend on mdma or stimulants.
My use looks like this, of course all info here is the work of my imagination
It's all the same batch(MDMA HCl), reagent tested, setting is psytrance party every time.
1) 100mg -- great experience
1 week break
2) 120mg+1beer -- great experience
2 months break, 1x20mg 2C-B Hbr trip
3) 120mg -- great experience
1 month break
4) 120mg -- open air season ending party, great expectations, sub par experience. I was rolling, only not as hard as I used to.
1 month break, 2x <100ug lsd trip
5) 130mg+60mg top-up to prolong peak+1beer -- great experience, sometimes too intense.
1 month break, 110ug LSD trip

I'm planning to go on parties once a month (god, I'm already craving for the vibe there!) and from now on I will use 2C-B as a substitute every second time. It turned out to be great for dancing and has a massive euphoria for 4-5 hours. No 'magic' though.

Planned for this year:

2C-B HBr 25mg instead of MDMA
3weeks break, 180ug LSD trip
6) 120mg+60mg MDMA+25mg 2C-B after coming down (long night)
3 weeks break
7) 100mg MDMA+90ug LSD candyflip
2 weeks break
NYE -- probably drinking only, with good company perhaps a tab of acid.

I never liked hugging people or felt lovey dovey from MDMA, for me the 'magic' is the feeling that everything is all right with the world, there's nothing I should worry about and I am where I should be right now.
It can be described as empathy when I go on adventures on the dancefloor to check on people how they doing, giving them incense sticks, water, salty sticks, etc. I don't do that when I'm only drunk :D

 

[terarc]

^^Let me guess, English isn't your first language? Yet I still understood it and the spelling is accurate.

I'm surprised mdma can be gotten from the interwebz. Seems real sketchy that way.

Switching to using online suppliers is what everyone should be doing. It takes a bit of computer skill and you should be careful with your security but done right, you can get access to very rare, very pure stuff from anywhere in the world, for decent prices, from your own home with minimal risk. Every drug I've tried for the last two has been from the internet, and I've tested every batch personally with EZtest as well as sending them to a lab personally and nothing has ever been mis-sold, except some MDMA that turned out to be Methylone that the buyer (a friend) was then refunded for. It is the future of the drug trade.

 

[grals]

To take for example methamphetamine.
As I know that the methamphetamine received from ephedrine from it is much more euphoria than received from P2NP.
Also if long to hold P2NP it spoils and the product at the exit too will be bad.


3,4-MDP2NP it can't long be stored.


Nobody can precisely tell as the mdma becomes now.


Safrol can became less available.

 

[NoArtFlav]

I save my mdma rolls once a year now

 

[Kl519]

Switching to using online suppliers is what everyone should be doing. It takes a bit of computer skill and you should be careful with your security but done right, you can get access to very rare, very pure stuff from anywhere in the world, for decent prices, from your own home with minimal risk. Every drug I've tried for the last two has been from the internet, and I've tested every batch personally with EZtest as well as sending them to a lab personally and nothing has ever been mis-sold, except some MDMA that turned out to be Methylone that the buyer (a friend) was then refunded for. It is the future of the drug trade.

Hmm, I see. But I meant sketchy as in trouble with Customs and law enforcement, because mdma is on Schedule 1 here in the U.S. I'm not too keen on getting drugs on the Internet that are scheduled, and neither do I want the person I live with to get involved in that either. That's why I only picked up ones that are in the "gray" area here (dumb Analogue Act). Even that was what I would consider very risky. =/

Man, if you guys or whoever can do this stuff and be confident about what you're doing, then all the more power to you. I'd rather just get some from trusted friends and such; been doing that for over a decade and haven't had any problems. I get a lot of free stuff too anyway.

I'll end it here to prevent breaking any TOS etiquette.

 

[NoArtFlav]

Hmm, I see. But I meant sketchy as in trouble with Customs and law enforcement, because mdma is on Schedule 1 here in the U.S. I'm not too keen on getting drugs on the Internet that are scheduled, and neither do I want the person I live with to get involved in that either. That's why I only picked up ones that are in the "gray" area here (dumb Analogue Act). Even that was what I would consider very risky. =/

Man, if you guys or whoever can do this stuff and be confident about what you're doing, then all the more power to you. I'd rather just get some from trusted friends and such; been doing that for over a decade and haven't had any problems. I get a lot of free stuff too anyway.

I'll end it here to prevent breaking any TOS etiquette.

Def need to hide activity but it's all online

 

[peanut 801]

I thought MDMA HCL doesn't exceed 87% purity......? Correct me if I'm wrong, though!

 

[terarc]

MDMA.HCl can be anything up to 100% pure.. but 16% (I think, it's around this value) of that MDMA.HCl molecule is taken up by the HCl bit, so therefore 84% of the molecule is the MDMA bit. This is a BS way to think about purity though, because MDMA.HCl is what you're trying to synthesise when you make MDMA, and correct me if I'm wrong but MDMA when it's not a salt is inactive. So if you wanna get high on MDMA you're wanting MDMA.HCl, and if your MDMA.HCl powder is 100% pure then for all intents and purposes your MDMA is 100% pure because that's the only form it's useful in. That whole 84% people throw around thing is pretty dumb IMO

 

[Black]

MDMA.HCl can be anything up to 100% pure.. but 16% (I think, it's around this value) of that MDMA.HCl molecule is taken up by the HCl bit, so therefore 84% of the molecule is the MDMA bit. This is a BS way to think about purity though, because MDMA.HCl is what you're trying to synthesise when you make MDMA, and correct me if I'm wrong but MDMA when it's not a salt is inactive. So if you wanna get high on MDMA you're wanting MDMA.HCl, and if your MDMA.HCl powder is 100% pure then for all intents and purposes your MDMA is 100% pure because that's the only form it's useful in. That whole 84% people throw around thing is pretty dumb IMO

freebase isn't inactive but a caustic oil and therefore rather impractical to handle/ingest. otherwise you're of course correct. MDMA·HCl is the compound we're usually talking about when we say mdma and it can naturally be 100% pure.

 

[grals]

I tasted the free basis of Amfetamin.
It is possible to absorb a piece of paper and to eat.
But it is very unpleasant.
Though the effect was present.
It is impossible to dose.
Hcl the most bioavailable.
1 molecule of salt + 1 molecule of mdma.
Sulfate 1 molecule + 2 molecules of mdma
Phosphate 1 molecule + 3 molecules of mdma.

 

[terarc]

Yeah thanks for the correction, I knew it was either inactive or not useful.

But yeah when I see someone saying their MDMA is 84% I see that as a bad thing, because if they're going by the 'MDMA can only be a max of 84%' idea, then they're saying that they've got MDMA.HCl which is 100% pure, which is obviously bullshit, I'm sure even pharma grade could only reach 99%... And if they're simply saying their MDMA.HCl is 84%, then I know I can get stuff that is better.

Referring the MDMA which someone else analysed to 96% btw, I recently got my batch from the same supplier analysed myself and it was indeed 96% MDMA.HCL, no active cuts