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The ISIS Megathread

Gun control in Australia

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Serious question for the gun nut constitutional patriots: is ISIS a "well regulated militia" - if not, why not?
 
bit_pattern said:
Amen. WTF is this thread about anyway? It's morphed from ISIS to 'we all hate Muslims' to 'GUNS AND FREEEEEEDOM!'
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The issue of militant Islam and gun rights go hand in hand.

Social media chatter shows Islamic State militants are keenly aware of the porous U.S.-Mexico border, and are “expressing an increased interest” in crossing over to carry out a terrorist attack, according to a Texas law enforcement bulletin sent out this week.
“A review of ISIS social media messaging during the week ending August 26 shows that militants are expressing an increased interest in the notion that they could clandestinely infiltrate the southwest border of US, for terror attack,” warns the Texas Department of Public Safety "situational awareness" bulletin, obtained by FoxNews.com.
The three-page bulletin, entitled “ISIS Interest on the US Southwest Border” and dated Aug. 28 was released to law enforcement on Thursday.
“Social media account holders believed to be ISIS militants and propagandists have called for unspecified border operations, or they have sought to raise awareness that illegal entry through Mexico is a viable option,” states the law enforcement bulletin, which is not classified.
It notes no known credible homeland threats or specific homeland attack plot has been identified. That assertion was underscored by Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, who said Friday that DHS and the FBI are "unaware of any specific, credible threat to the U.S. homeland" from Islamic State.
Despite assurances that no threat to American soil is imminent, the watchdog group Judicial Watch said Friday that Islamic State operatives are in Juarez, just across the border from Texas, and are planning to attack the United States with car bombs.
"Agents across a number of Homeland Security, Justice and Defense agencies have all been placed on alert and instructed to aggressively work all possible leads and sources concerning this imminent terrorist threat," Judicial Watch stated on its website.
The Texas law enforcement bulletin cites suspected fighters from the terrorist group previously known as ISIS and based in Syria and Iraq as eyeing a border crossing.
“The identities of persons operating these accounts cannot be independently verified; however the accounts were selected for monitoring based on several indications that they have been used by actual ISIS militants for propaganda purposes and collectively reach tens of thousands of followers,” states the bulletin. “One account was verified as belonging to an individual located in Mosul, Iraq.”
Some 32 Twitter and Facebook posts monitored by law enforcement over one recent week reflected interest in the southern border, according to the bulletin. The messages, which were forwarded thousands of times, included calls for jihadists to cross over from Mexico to carry out attacks and even alluded to a recent video by U.S. activist James O’Keefe, who was recorded coming across the Rio Grande valley in an Usama bin Laden costume.
The bulletin details numerous “calls for border infiltration” on social media, including one from a militant confirmed to be in Mosul, Iraq who explicitly beckons the “Islamic State to send a special force to America across the border with Mexico.”
“This Twitter account holder, who is the administrator of an ISIS propaganda trading group, stated that the time was right for such an action because ‘the US-Mexican border is now open large numbers of people crossing,’” the bulletin said.
Another message sent out via Twitter suggested that Islamic State fighters have already entered the U.S. via the border, warning that, as a result, “Americans in for ruin (sic).”
The Texas DPS bulletin comes on the heels of a federal Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice Joint Intelligence bulletin dated August 22, a copy of which was also obtained by FoxNews.com.That bulletin, entitled “Online Reaction but No Known Credible Homeland Threats from ISIL and Its Supporters Following US Air Strikes,”addresses potential threats to the Homeland in response to recent US air strikes on the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) targets in Iraq and the murder of journalist James Foley.
This bulletin notes that while the FBI and DHS are unaware of specific credible threats against the U.S. from homegrown violent extremists, ISIL or other violent extremist groups overseas “we continue to assess that violent extremists who support ISIL have demonstrated the capability to attempt attacks on US targets overseas with little-to-no warning.”
The report also says that “because of the individualized nature of the radicalization process—it is difficult to predict triggers that will contribute to [homegrown violent extremists] attempting acts of violence…lone offenders present law enforcement with limited opportunities to detect and disrupt plots, which frequently involve simple plotting against targets of opportunity.”
“FBI and DHS assess that civilian deaths reportedly associated with these US military air strikes will almost certainly be used as further examples of a perceived Western war against Islam in English-language violent extremist messaging that could contribute to [homegrown violent extremist] radicalization to violence,” the report notes.
The FBI and DHS bulletin includes a section titled "ISIL Supporters Increasingly Using Social Media to Encourage Violent Acts against US Interests."
"ISIL and its online supporters have employed—and will almost certainly continue—Twitter “hashtag” campaigns that have gained mainstream media attention and been able to quickly reach a global audience of potential violent extremists, highlighting ISIL’s supporter message and encouraging individuals to commit acts of violence, in Iraq or in the West," the bulletin states.
"Several of the Tweets in response to the air strikes featured original and creative use of graphics—including a photo of the ISIL flag in front of the White House—and graphically rendered images depicting desecration of US monuments and landmarks."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/29/online-posts-show-isis-eyeing-mexican-border-says-law-enforcment-bulletin

I don't want my proud American patriots to have to fight ISIS with knifes. Fight them with a gun in your hand and the power of Jesus compelling your heart.
 
^hasnt Texas law enforcement been fighting to close the border for a decade? Not exactly an objective report.

In any case, wouldn't it make more sense for ISIS to use american or european citizens that can freely cross any border without having to sneak across the Mexican border? That just seems like a logistical nigtmare
 
Bardeaux said:
^hasnt Texas law enforcement been fighting to close the border for a decade? Not exactly an objective report.

In any case, wouldn't it make more sense for ISIS to use american or european citizens that can freely cross any border without having to sneak across the Mexican border? That just seems like a logistical nigtmare
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There are countless illegal aliens in America that have got in the country from this border, I don't see how a few Jihadists would be a logistical nightmare. Yes I would think ISIS would use Americans or Europeans that are loyal to their cause as well, good thing most of them are going over to Syria where one of Assad's brave soldiers will kill them like the rabid dogs they are. I fear for when these terrorists return home from Syria though, who knows what they will do to America and Europe then!
 
bit_pattern said:
Serious question for the gun nut constitutional patriots: is ISIS a "well regulated militia" - if not, why not?
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because someone will want to talk serious w/ you when you're calling them a nut..

Bardeaux said:
^hasnt Texas law enforcement been fighting to close the border for a decade? Not exactly an objective report.

In any case, wouldn't it make more sense for ISIS to use american or european citizens that can freely cross any border without having to sneak across the Mexican border? That just seems like a logistical nigtmare
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What exactly are you referring to about the past decade? They've always enforced the border, but it will always have contraband (drugs/terrorists/etc) getting through.. I doubt it's a logistical nightmare in any sense, it's a #'s game.
What about that report did you not find objective? it's almost obligatory to note it is Fox but it seems reasonable and credible imo.
 
bmxxx said:
What exactly are you referring to about the past decade? They've always enforced the border, but it will always have contraband (drugs/terrorists/etc) getting through.. I doubt it's a logistical nightmare in any sense, it's a #'s game.
What about that report did you not find objective? it's almost obligatory to note it is Fox but it seems reasonable and credible imo.
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I mean since the effects of the NAFTA had on immigration became apparent, along with the rise of the drug cartels and the post 9/11 emphasis on national security. During this time, conservatives inside the border states have taken an increasingly militant stance towards shutting down the borders. From electrified fences to a Berlin style wall with introduced crocodiles in the river (this is true...) to militarized border police to heavily armed vigilante patrols. The reason I question its objectivity isn't really related to fox news, but the people who wrote the actual report. They're the same people who have been demanding these absurd border restrictions. Not that the report is right or wrong, I couldn't say. Its just not the most objective or personally convincing report.

Especially while considering that ISIS aren't complete idiots. There's a very real possibility that an entire mission will be compromised if they're caught trying to sneak across the border illegally. Its much safer for them to use citizens that won't draw attention.
 
Bardeaux said:
I mean since the effects of the NAFTA had on immigration became apparent, along with the rise of the drug cartels and the post 9/11 emphasis on national security. During this time, conservatives inside the border states have taken an increasingly militant stance towards shutting down the borders. From electrified fences to a Berlin style wall with introduced crocodiles in the river (this is true...) to militarized border police to heavily armed vigilante patrols. The reason I question its objectivity isn't really related to fox news, but the people who wrote the actual report. They're the same people who have been demanding these absurd border restrictions. Not that the report is right or wrong, I couldn't say. Its just not the most objective or personally convincing report.

Especially while considering that ISIS aren't complete idiots. There's a very real possibility that an entire mission will be compromised if they're caught trying to sneak across the border illegally. Its much safer for them to use citizens that won't draw attention.
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ok so like they legitimately may have ulterior motives for drumming up scare? not unbelievable at all. But i do question whether (like, #'s) there's been any real increases in border security (i've no idea either way, some swear it's open borders others say the opposite, i haven't seen #'s so don't have any personal thoughts)

I do disagree w/ your last sentiment tho, I think they'd use both and I base that off a presumption that there's likely a ton of 'cell structure' effect in any organization of that sort, so yes any incredibly large plan could be compromised (tho how good did we do on 9/11?) but I don't think 'large plan' is necessarily their goal or most effective, i mean the cell structure / random attacks approach can be very very effective because let's be real, it's not so much about #'s of deaths or damages it's about propaganda/media, and even small attacks inside our border would be wayy overreacted to in most-all ways imaginable (I don't know if this is true, but i read or watched something that asserted osama's goal w/ 9/11 wasn't so much the act itself, but to provoke a response)
 
Bardeaux said:
I mean since the effects of the NAFTA had on immigration became apparent, along with the rise of the drug cartels and the post 9/11 emphasis on national security. During this time, conservatives inside the border states have taken an increasingly militant stance towards shutting down the borders. From electrified fences to a Berlin style wall with introduced crocodiles in the river (this is true...) to militarized border police to heavily armed vigilante patrols. The reason I question its objectivity isn't really related to fox news, but the people who wrote the actual report. They're the same people who have been demanding these absurd border restrictions. Not that the report is right or wrong, I couldn't say. Its just not the most objective or personally convincing report.

Especially while considering that ISIS aren't complete idiots. There's a very real possibility that an entire mission will be compromised if they're caught trying to sneak across the border illegally. Its much safer for them to use citizens that won't draw attention.
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Now you're just making stuff up.
 
Bardeaux said:
They're the same people who have been demanding these absurd border restrictions. Not that the report is right or wrong, I couldn't say. Its just not the most objective or personally convincing report.
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Why is protecting our border absurd? Protecting American citizens from terrorists and drug cartels is absurd? Or is stopping people whom don't speak English and would come here and need thousands in benefits every month from coming over absurd? Should anyone in the world be allowed to move freely into any country they wish?
 
rickolasnice said:
Sure makes it easy for criminals to obtain guns when you have open markets and shops on every corner for them, no?



Also true for the UK.
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Criminals dont walk into gun stores to buy firearms because if you have a felony on your record, you cant buy a gun.
 
bit_pattern said:
Amen. WTF is this thread about anyway? It's morphed from ISIS to 'we all hate Muslims' to 'GUNS AND FREEEEEEDOM!'
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You asked me and i told you. Next time dont ask. I think a thread with almost 600 posts might take a turn here and there on a different outlet of the original topic. Havent you ever been talking to someone and then you end up on a different side topic because of something that was mentioned but then go back to the original discussion. Just relax, its gonna be ok.
 
rickolasnice said:
Your story legalizeall.. you say thank god you had the gun.. yet the potential intruder ran out the sound of your voice..

Was the gun really necessary?

And doesn't it work both ways? With such a lax gun system isn't it more likely that the intruder would have a gun?

How many lives has a gun saved compared to destroyed? It's like trying to prevent and / or control fire with fire.
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THe gun was very necessary and if you havent been in that situation Im not even gonna list all the ways your wrong here other then it could have been a different situation i walked into other then him outside my apartment. Thank God i did have the gun too. Your fire comparison is pretty cute though. Guns have saved more then destroyed too.

By all means you can chance it and deal with that situation however you want to. But for me, I leave no chance. My loved ones as very important to me. Kinda like how you guys thump on the global warming thing. Better to prepare yourself because if something does happen, there is far less chance of real damage being done. If your not prepared you run the risk of far more damage being done. You hope it doesnt happen but if it does you will be prepared.

Im not some gun nut patriot either. I have a big problem with how things are done here. Its about protecting my family and myself.
 
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