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The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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Bardeaux said:
Well, let me ask you for an explanation, then we can discuss that in depth once my computer arrives.

Are black people of all ethnic and cultural backgrounds simply genetically predisposed to violence and crime, regardless of every other factor that we tend to associate with the causation of the behavior? Black just equals violent and white just equals peaceful?
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Melanin is a hell of a drug
 
Bardeaux said:
Firstly, GDP per capita tells us nothing about wealth distribution..
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This leaves me wondering how you could have so much faith in your one percenter diatribe. If wealth distribution is so terrible in the US why are we not enlisting child armies to fight/rape/pillage domestically? Surely if wealth distribution played as large of a role as you are stating we would have a good bit more violence.. Although I am a fair bit drnk so I may not be making a good point lol
 
Bardeaux said:
Well, let me ask you for an explanation, then we can discuss that in depth once my computer arrives.

Are black people of all ethnic and cultural backgrounds simply genetically predisposed to violence and crime, regardless of every other factor that we tend to associate with the causation of the behavior? Black just equals violent and white just equals peaceful?
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No, I would not say genetically predisposed to violence. I would say in America it's caused by toxic culture, particularly hip-hop culture where violent lyrics encouraging crime, violence, and wanton misogyny are encouraged combined with victimization culture created by Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Co. Not predisposition to violence but rather a propensity to commit violent acts at a much higher rate than their white counterparts in America. Whites aren't predisposed towards violence but rather have a propensity towards less violence than African-Americans.

Something that speaks greatly over the discrepancy of our cultures, Barak Obama is friends with Jay-Z. Jay-Z as you should know is an unrepentant former drug dealers whose songs glamourize drug sales and violence. When the President has him as a dear friend, that is almost tacit approval of these behaviors. So in conclusion I would say the discrepencies of the crime rates is caused by culture, not genetic predisposion. I have nothing against black people and wouldn't hesitate to cast a vote for Ben Carson or Allen West if either of them ran for President.
 
^You were also comparing Africans with Europeans though. So you're not just making a cultural observation on race relations in america, but an observation regarding the races on a global scale.

Will continue when I have a computer in front of me.
 
Bardeaux said:
^You were also comparing Africans with Europeans though. So you're not just making a cultural observation on race relations in america, but an observation regarding the races on a global scale.

Will continue when I have a computer in front of me.
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As for the explanation, I've no idea, although I suppose you've already blamed it on the "slave trade" and colonialism so I guess we can attribute it to that, even that was all far in the past. To be clear on history there are instances of Africans occupying Europe particularly the Moors in Spain and Italy, why do colonialism only have an adverse effect on African nations, the Italians and Spaniards seemed to be prosperous nations soon after they expelled the invaders from their countries.
 
LosBlancos said:
They do but according to raw data/statistics they do at a far less rate than there African American counterparts. If we are speaking on whites and blacks in general just compare the murder rates or crime rates in Europe vs those in Africa.

The data on white murder rate is also artificially higher due to some Hispanics being classified as white people. Again all available from hard data, all fact.
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Umm this is false. Russia, Ukraine and Moldova all have a higher murder rate then the US and are predominately white. It has far more to do with Socio-Economics then race or ethnic background. Hence the higher murder rate in the US among poorer people regardless of race. Back during the 19th century and early part of the 20th century when white immigrants like the Irish where the wretched of the earth so to speak the five points slum in Manhattan had the highest murder rate in the western world with only the worst areas of London's east end even coming close to having a violent crime rate anywhere near the five points. And the blacks where certainly not causing crime in that area.

Every ethnic group that comes to the US, Canada or just about any country in the western world or anywhere really has it's period of being on the bottom rung of the Socio-Economic ladder and being discriminated against by the ruling class no matter how much capital they acquire.
 
paranoid android said:
Umm this is false. Russia, Ukraine and Moldova all have a higher murder rate then the US and are predominately white. It has far more to do with Socio-Economics then race or ethnic background. Hence the higher murder rate in the US among poorer people regardless of race. Back during the 19th century and early part of the 20th century when white immigrants like the Irish where the wretched of the earth so to speak the five points slum in Manhattan had the highest murder rate in the western world with only the worst areas of London's east end even coming close to having a violent crime rate anywhere near the five points. And the blacks where certainly not causing crime in that area.

Every ethnic group that comes to the US, Canada or just about any country in the western world or anywhere really has it's period of being on the bottom rung of the Socio-Economic ladder and being discriminated against by the ruling class no matter how much capital they acquire.
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We went from comparing Europe to Africa to saying three European countries have a higher murder rate than the USA.

How about the murder rate for African-Americans alone, wouldn't that far surpass that of Russia, Moldova, or Ukraine?

Russia, Moldova, Ukraine=all ruined by Communism, yes the hammer and sickle you so proudly display in your avatar.

Liberals, Marxists, Communists, they always ignore the raw data, the pure numbers and have esoteric anecdotes about 19th century Irish immigrants to explain things. I can assure you Irish and Italians any other white immigrants didn't have a tenth of the violence we see in Chicago, New Orleans, Miami, L.A. ect today that is purely a myth you concocted.
 
Nationwide, the black homicide victimization rate in 2011 was 17.51 per 100,000. The overall national homicide victimization rate was 4.44 per 100,000, and among white Americans, the homicide victimization rate was 2.64 per 100,000.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/murder-rate-for-black-ame_b_4702228.html

Now since the average Black American earns more than the average Ukranian, Serbian, Bosnian, or Kosovian yet has much higher homocide rate can you tell me again how it's purely socioeconomic?
 
LosBlancos said:
I can assure you Irish and Italians any other white immigrants didn't have a tenth of the violence we see in Chicago, New Orleans, Miami, L.A. ect today that is purely a myth you concocted.
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Lol. You can assure us, eh? 8)

There's no question, though, that Chicago is safer than it was 20 years ago. In 1992, murders hit a recent peak. In fact, the trend over the past two decades is something of a mirror image of the sharp increase that afflicted the city with the passage of Prohibition in 1920. Northwestern University compiled crime data in Chicago from 1870 to 1930, including a catalog of the murders. Here's what the pre-Prohibition and recent homicide trends look like. Those 500 murders in 2012 are fewer than the city saw in 1924, the year of the trial of Leopold and Loeb.
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http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/06/chicago-murders-2013-vs-prohibition/66120/
 
bit_pattern said:
Lol. You can assure us, eh? 8)



http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/06/chicago-murders-2013-vs-prohibition/66120/
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We go from European immigrants to Chicago murder rate for 1924 or should I say raw number of murders for 1924. No indication of who those perpetrators were from this data just simply the numbers. You also picked one city of the many many I mentioned.

Nowadays it's absolutely ridiculous, there is 12 year old kids and babies getting shot in the crossfire. Back in the day it was Gangland violence, grown men trying to get their foot into more territory to sell liqour now it's kids running around shooting people to steal a hundred bucks off them so they can go buy a Gucci belt.
 
LosBlancos said:
We went from comparing Europe to Africa to saying three European countries have a higher murder rate than the USA.

How about the murder rate for African-Americans alone, wouldn't that far surpass that of Russia, Moldova, or Ukraine?

Russia, Moldova, Ukraine=all ruined by Communism, yes the hammer and sickle you so proudly display in your avatar.

Liberals, Marxists, Communists, they always ignore the raw data, the pure numbers and have esoteric anecdotes about 19th century Irish immigrants to explain things. I can assure you Irish and Italians any other white immigrants didn't have a tenth of the violence we see in Chicago, New Orleans, Miami, L.A. ect today that is purely a myth you concocted.
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Well are there not alot more black people in the US then in the countries i mentioned are there not? So why do these countries have a higher murder rate? And for your information these countries had a much lower murder rate under State Capitalism then they do under this free for all Capitalism.

And you can look up statistics for the murder rate of the 5 points area of Manhattan and they are not slated in any "Liberal" 8) way. Every new ethnic group (besides the Anglo-Saxons of course) that comes into the US is essentially marginalized thus they must make money their own way. Hence why the first gangs in NYC and the rest of the North east as well as Chicago where Irish, Italian and Jewish. Or in the case of blacks they have experienced centuries of oppression in America and also in Africa. In America they are often relegated to the ghetto's and in Africa they are suffering from the effects of post colonialism. Also if we could find statistics for black on black violence in Colonial Africa i bet it would be alot less then white on black violence which was not considered a crime as it was institutionalized. Look up the Belgian Congo as a good example where they cut off the hands of black children who's parents didn't produce enough labour to please their masters.

You white supremacists always ignore actual facts when it does not fit your ideology of non whites=evil violent people while whites are of course peace loving law abiding citizens.

And why the fuck am i arguing with some white supremacist in the first place? What a waste of time.
 
paranoid android said:
Well are there not alot more black people in the US then in the countries i mentioned are there not? So why do these countries have a higher murder rate? And for your information these countries had a much lower murder rate under State Capitalism then they do under this free for all Capitalism.

And you can look up statistics for the murder rate of the 5 points area of Manhattan and they are not slated in any "Liberal" 8) way. Every new ethnic group (besides the Anglo-Saxons of course) that comes into the US is essentially marginalized thus they must make money their own way. Hence why the first gangs in NYC and the rest of the North east as well as Chicago where Irish, Italian and Jewish. Or in the case of blacks they have experienced centuries of oppression in America and also in Africa. In America they are often relegated to the ghetto's and in Africa they are suffering from the effects of post colonialism. Also if we could find statistics for black on black violence in Colonial Africa i bet it would be alot less then white on black violence which was not considered a crime as it was institutionalized. Look up the Belgian Congo as a good example where they cut off the hands of black children who's parents didn't produce enough labour to please their masters.

You white supremacists always ignore actual facts when it does not fit your ideology of non whites=evil violent people while whites are of course peace loving law abiding citizens.

And why the fuck am i arguing with some white supremacist in the first place? What a waste of time.
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The United States murder rate says nothing about black violence. Don't be parse words and say there's alot more whites in Russia, Ukraine and Moldova yet their murder rate is higher. If you compare the rate of Black Americans as a subset of the population as a whole it's astronomical compared to even the three most murderous European countries you hand-picked.

Sure the murder rate under "State Capitalism" might have been less if you don't consider the millions murdered by Stalin's troops to be murder.

OK, Italians and Irish faced discrimination but today they have moved on. We don't have Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons stirring the pot everytime an Italian is murdered saying it's back to Jim Crow times.

I'm no white supremacist. Nor am I a white-hater. You won't find me ranting about white privledge (the privledge to be passed over for jobs by Affirmative action applicants, not sure what other privledges it entails) or about how colonialism and white people created all the societal ills of every problem known to man. I have been speaking on raw numbers, facts, and observations of the present while you provide anecdotes of Belgian Congo and 5 points area of Manhattan.
 
paranoid android said:
Well are there not alot more black people in the US then in the countries i mentioned are there not? So why do these countries have a higher murder rate? And for your information these countries had a much lower murder rate under State Capitalism then they do under this free for all Capitalism.

And you can look up statistics for the murder rate of the 5 points area of Manhattan and they are not slated in any "Liberal" 8) way. Every new ethnic group (besides the Anglo-Saxons of course) that comes into the US is essentially marginalized thus they must make money their own way. Hence why the first gangs in NYC and the rest of the North east as well as Chicago where Irish, Italian and Jewish. Or in the case of blacks they have experienced centuries of oppression in America and also in Africa. In America they are often relegated to the ghetto's and in Africa they are suffering from the effects of post colonialism. Also if we could find statistics for black on black violence in Colonial Africa i bet it would be alot less then white on black violence which was not considered a crime as it was institutionalized. Look up the Belgian Congo as a good example where they cut off the hands of black children who's parents didn't produce enough labour to please their masters.

You white supremacists always ignore actual facts when it does not fit your ideology of non whites=evil violent people while whites are of course peace loving law abiding citizens.

And why the fuck am i arguing with some white supremacist in the first place? What a waste of time.
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Wow, this is just a laughable post. Im not even gonna get into this one but its so far from reality. At my job right now, i think out of my many bosses and supervisors, i think one is white and its a female. Do you live in the u.s.?
 
Bardeaux said:
Well, let me ask you for an explanation, then we can discuss that in depth once my computer arrives.

Are black people of all ethnic and cultural backgrounds simply genetically predisposed to violence and crime, regardless of every other factor that we tend to associate with the causation of the behavior? Black just equals violent and white just equals peaceful?
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Man this is just picking fights now. Thats a pretty ridiculous question and just a good way to stir up trouble. Nobody has been saying this so why even bring that up.
 
LosBlancos said:
Nationwide, the black homicide victimization rate in 2011 was 17.51 per 100,000. The overall national homicide victimization rate was 4.44 per 100,000, and among white Americans, the homicide victimization rate was 2.64 per 100,000.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/murder-rate-for-black-ame_b_4702228.html

Now since the average Black American earns more than the average Ukranian, Serbian, Bosnian, or Kosovian yet has much higher homocide rate can you tell me again how it's purely socioeconomic?
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covering the ears and repeating "white people in america are to blame." Fuck, i dont care. I am curious where this silver platter that people talk about that gives white people everything so easy is located. I sure as fuck missed that line.. If people want to use that as an excuse for why they couldnt realize their hopes and dreams, thats on them. If someone really wants to succeed in life, none of this shit mentioned in this thread would matter at all. It would just be excuses.
 
bit_pattern said:
WTF do you think this is saying then?
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Its certainly not saying this.

Are black people of all ethnic and cultural backgrounds simply genetically predisposed to violence and crime, regardless of every other factor that we tend to associate with the causation of the behavior? Black just equals violent and white just equals peaceful?

Your off your rocker right now and im not even gonna respond to your posts. You have some odd interpretations of things. Happy trolling kid
 
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