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Brain destroyed from 10 years Ritalin and high dose Neuroleptics.Anja from sweden:-)
revisionism
Greenlighter
Propavan är ett bra preparat för sömn, inge knas med det heller.
Det är en stark antihistamin som ej medför någon risk för beroende, och som man kan ta livet ut, utan problem!
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Hello Anja again!!!I am further looking for someone with expirience!
Hello
Thanks.I have days where I take only 200 mg others 500mg depends on how much work or stress i finally have.
Well if after konsuming about 100 gramms over 3 years,if brain damage is really that bad,why can I still write and read books better then without drugs(3MMC)
Yes I made an abi of 1.4 and finally managed all 3 exames for pharmazie,and am know a pharmacist.But only with the help of 3 MMC.
Yes I have seen about 7 shrinks,specialist for ADD and more.They only said the disorder is a low brain performance and gave me ritalin,amphetamin and SSRI.
but they all made me suicidal and psychotic after a few weeks.Then you tell me
Your brain fog and depression didn't start overnight so they won't go away overnight( i had that also as a child,and years of meds made it worse) but if you find any kind of improvement in six months then there's a lot of hope for you, you don't need to rely on cathiniones just to feel normal for the rest of your life, and you're only exacerbating the core problem.My be.But I don t see any way to cure my problem without meds.Sorry this is my realty,Brain disease.My be betablockers will not work for ever against heart problems,but there are no studies.I am from sweden but would be anonymous.
Answer:
Have you considered that constant use of drugs (be it prescription ones or not) might be at the core of your depressive symptoms? No one likes being dependent on a substance in order to be able to function normally. It makes you feel weak and useless, or like a zombie. There's better ways out there to treat depression than with drugs, especially research chemicals, and ones that are highly likely to be dangerous for you in the long run at that. Actively try and do regular exercise, eat healthy.
I eat healthy,fruits,and so on,make sport,fitness,cardio.Use Vitamin D and go to a tanning studio.
That all helps a very small little bit.
Yes first was only the disease that i was mentally most time of the day in a fog.Then came Ritalin and Amphetamines.Afters this depression and psychosis occured.
Well I know your opinion.But I have 99% pure 3MMC and after 3 years of taking it,my brain works not much slower.My IQ is the same,but I am alive.
I use and used benzodiazpines Clonazepam 4 mg a day,this helps me sleep.Know for 12 years.They dull much more my brain IQ than 3MMC and I think they are more evil.
Well one thing I have learned.Buproion, or ritalin with an SSRI like Citalopram worked a few month.Then 600mg Wellbutrin and 40 mg citalopram did nothing and brain fog returned.I tried all,Remergil,Trizyclics,Sulpirid(poop out 2 month later),Lithium,All SSRIs,Strattera,Modafinil,Maos all the pharmaindustrie had to offer. But nothing worked like
3 MMC for me.So yes.If I want to do days without it,its like you miss a pill of an SSRI.Brain zaps and you feel very weak and ugly depression returns.
So if you can not tell me something like 3MMC which works simulatan on Dopamin and Serotonin then I will take it on til I die with an heart attac.
I learned in universitity that all transmitters have a sort of equilibrium and coexistens in the synapse.So if you only throw one like with
SSRIs in the match thats bad.These are no antidepressants but thymolpetics,meaning they dull your emotions,no love,no hate,no depression.But no real live.
If you have any ideas what RC else I can take than tell me.
I tried 2 FMA.2 FA.4 FA.MDPV,Methylone and so an.Only crash or psychosis like ritalin and amphetamines.So any advice?
Anja
dopamimetic
Bluelighter
At least add clonidine (as much as you need before it makes you sleepy.. start with 50 or 75 mcg) to take some of the cardiac stress off. A selective 5-HT2B antagonist would be great too if such one exists, to reduce the risk for heart valves and pulmonary hypertension. Clonidine in higher dosages also helps you sleep w/o benzodiazepines and gives your heart some time to recover over night by lowering norepinephrine levels.
And please stop that stefanie / anja thing, it's confusing..
The Happy Wanderer
Bluelighter
So you got your Abi (that's A-levels, for other readers) almost perfect and then finished one of the harder degrees while your brain was foggy almost all day?
How did you do that? Under these circumstances, Im surprised you did it all, even with 3-mmc.
And how can somebody with 'low brain performance' get his abi with 1.4? Doesn't make any sense.
Let's forget about the shrinks, what was the neurologist's diagnosis? What diagnostic tools did he/she use?
Have you considered using ampakines or anything nmda-related?
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ebola?
Bluelight Crew
And you will only find people who've had sporadic positive recreational experiences. Entactogens are some of the least sustainable compounds to take frequently, so you should expect severe disregulation of serotonergic transmission with daily use. I'm not sure why you would expect good things from this type of regimen.
Yes, none of these is the answer. Your response to stimulants changed with daily high-dose use; taking some other stimulant frequently isn't remotely promising.
ebola
Well thanks ebola.
Ok I forget 6/5 APB and 5 APBD.
I use about 50 gramms(per year) of 3 MMC for the last three years.
My IQ and memory did not went down.Other told me mußt have damaged my brain extremly,because Serotonin realease do a faster harm then reuptake inhibitors like SSRl
What do you think?Ist the best med,and I tried all,because I work in a pharmazie.
The years befor I used clonazepam 4 mg a day for 5 years.Well that one dulled my brain,my memory went down,so my IQ.
But not with 3 MMC.Is it really so neurotoxic.The symptoms when I try to stop( i won't) are the same as from SSRI discountinuation syndrom.Brainzaps,bad bodyfeeling and so on.
Seppi
Bluelighter
Neither of these statements are true. There's an obvious exception to the former statement. And... I'm tired of directing people to the Wikipedia article on the latter.
The upper limit for long-term safety/efficacy evidence on amph is 60mg.
The King of Beans
Bluelighter
3-mmc isn't going to damage your brain permanelty I am sure of that. You need to worry about the heart issues that can arise from it. I know you need something, but try finding a good girlfriend or something that can fill the void in your life. (Believe me, I plan to take my own advice....I quit all drugs when I thought I found love....but nobody seems to love uncondtionally in this world anymore...at least not the girls I find...lol I am a test for them because I can be very annoying. So I know if a girl sticks with me, she must love me, cuz I aint rich and got nothing to be used for)
doppelgänger1
Bluelighter
Link please?
Ok you see only black or white.
Understand.If you take 3 mmc for more then month and then only 100mg you are more funktional.Nothing with drugged feeling or flighing and loving the world.
I do not use it for partyies nor to have fun.Only for relief of depression and more focuse.I smoke since 10 years,drink grean macha tea,and do sports and eat no
junk food.Sorry.
Looking for someone with longterm expirience,but not for those who did binges,say 2 gramm or I read 10 gramms a weekand and then stop.
I use about 10 gramms a month.On days I have no work I only use 100 mg one times a day.Without I get vertigo and brain zaps.(SSRIs discountinuation Syndrom)
Thanks.Hope for more adivce from mods or People how tried it ofer years.
What do you think of Phenmetracine one mode wrote to try this? it has a slight similarity to 4MAR(4Methylaminorex)was much to strong,tried once,4 days no sleep with 5 mgs.
My vendor is reliabel and has for example phenmetricine and many others.But until know the best was 3 MMC(no depression,no psychosis,I can sleep)
But kidney,heart problems are getting more severe.Those looking forward for a substance similar to 3 MMC ,with low side effect profil.
Thank you
.:Holy::Toast:.
Bluelighter
The fact is that ANY long term stimulant use cam be detrimental. Whether it works on serotonin or just dopamine systems there will always be the risk of heart problems and psychological issues.
I don't believe anyone here could responsibly recommend you any other drug to continue with usage like you are doing.
Yes your doses are relatively small and your usage pattern does not even point towards severe abuse. Yes you use daily but you manage to keep your doses small and controlled.
Regardless, daily usage can be damaging. Not to mention long term effects of most of these drugs are not known.
I believe it is in your head that you cannot live normally without these drugs; if I have it correct you have used pretty much daily for 3 years? More? How do you know for sure if you've never made it past the psychological withdrawal symptoms?
In spite of all our information regarding the very real danger of using these drugs on a daily basis you keep making excuses to justify your usage.
We are a harm reduction forum, and not to mention many of us have dealt with addiction. We can read through you like a book
I managend two weeks of in the 3 years.And then?
I said its endogen.Every day at about 5 or 6 pm depression and total loss of concentration is arriving.Total brain fog.Light all lights went out for no reason.
If I work,learn,are shopping,or do something else.Without meds I see no way.They told me it is shortend concentration span.Perhaps from a the i lived in with 5 years with xyladecor(Lindan,PCP) or 100 antibiotiks because as a child a had infections all 4 weeks.So what can I loose?
I am looking for a substance not so bad on kidneys and heart.Perhaps phenmetrazine one mod here said,or 4MAR?the 4,4 MAR is not scheduled.But I have no idea where to get 4,4 MAR and if this one is again the same diaster as MDPV
Thanks
dopamimetic
Bluelighter
Lindane is an insecticide, afaik it has been used to treat wood (and turned out to be quite toxic.)
Using any of the aminorex compounds daily will lead to pulmonary hypertension and ultimately heart valve damage in short time (months), this was the reason why it had been withdrawn from market back when it was sold as an anorectic in the German speaking area. This was (most probably) mediated by 5-HT2B agonism - and the 4-methyl / 4,4'-dimethyl derivates are somewhat stronger serotonergics.
Besides that, I really think there is huge potential in the oxazoline class of compounds (e.g. pemoline, 4-mar etc.) The ideal one just hasn't been found yet.. here in NSPD a thread exists about them as well.
Believe me, I do understand that thought of "hell, my brain is already damaged so it can't get any worse" - as has been said before, nothing could be wronger. You always have everything to loose, all and every single thing you are able to do today- even if you need chems to do so.
Jonneh
Bluelighter
Along the lines of Fantastic Mr Rio's opiate suggestion (if you're already set on using drugs, as he said), what about Salvia? Many report sustained relief from depression after the (somewhat dysphoric) short trip, perhaps due to endogenous opioid rebound. In general, occasional use of 'indian' medicines (feel bad now and good later) is probably a safer bet than chronic use of 'white man' medicine (feel good now, bad later), because you're already taking both acute and rebound effects into account.
OK thank you!then I will never try out 6/5 APB 5 APBD.
But 3 MMC does not look as evil as Hardcore stims like Amphetamine or MDPV.So I think i would be permant psychotic after 3 years daily use(4 x100 mg)
What do you think of Phenmetrazine? a Mod here told me I should try,it should be a less powefull substanze then ritalin or MDPV.Opinions?
Thanks
sekio
Bluelight Crew
Long-term continuous usage of monoamine releasers is probably far more mentally harmful than being exposed to low levels of chlorinated organic pesticides...
