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Scottish Independence v. Further devolution, or just convoluted lies?

Should Scotland become independent?

  • Should stay how things are now

    Votes: 6 15.0%

  • Should become fully independent

    Votes: 20 50.0%

  • Should extend devolved powers but remain part of UK

    Votes: 8 20.0%

  • I am Spade

    Votes: 6 15.0%
  • Total voters
    40
gannetsarewe said:
Briefly, what are his points?, life for me, is too short to watch the video.
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you'd spend longer trying to decipher my explanation of what he said than watching the 6 minute video..

Was basically about Scotland still using the pound, not having any control over the pound, interest rates etc.. Basically in his opinion alot of financial business would pack up and leave Scotland. He does a better job of explaining it. Trust me.
 
I'm no yes campaigner, but i'll have a look at the video tomorrow (i'm still spposed to be working), but here's my thoughts without even looking: Some finance people say it would be a disaster (usually with an interest), some financial people say it would be ok or even good (also with an interest). Either way, how long should we let financial capital dictate our politics through blackmail and protection rackets. There was a time (not long ago) when banks were so firmly regulated that they couldn't lend irresponsibly and crash the world's economy - scotland could have a go at that (iceland hasn't fallen in the sea yet).

It's been admitted that scotland could use the pound and noone could stop them - the uk would want to get in a union as it would be in their interest (especially if they get to dictate policy). I'd say fuck them off and make a new currency with a national bank - with the oil to back it (and the rest of scotland's wealth) it would be a strong currency. If scotland controlled its own money supply they would have no real issues as they would be out of the octopus of international finance and they could borrow from themselves with no interest - this is exactly why uk would be well up for a currency union when it comes to it to avoid this threat to the city of london's empire.

In reality a new currency is probably a bit radical for most atm - but if the uk tried to punish scotland by being shitty with the currency union that might change - but then scottish people could vote someone different in - that's the point of a democracy (which is really the whole of the argument for me)

Either way it's probably going to be rocky - but like gannets' said no country that became independent ever wanted to go back even when it was tough.

EDIT - i'm liking how the thread poll has crept up to a tidy Yes lead. It's seems it will all come down to how the Spades vote on the day
 
Ireland for what its worth, became independent in 1922, but didn't adopt its own currency until 1928 but didn't break the link with sterling until 1978, being pegged by Irish Government policy until we joined the EMS and in 1999 the euro. With a will, well, with a good will from Rump Britain, Scotland can make its own transition in its own time, I mean it wouldn't be the first country to throw off the tyrants grip and coin to makes its own way in the world, the Baltic states didn't cry off independence because they didn't want to abandon the rouble, but made their own way in the world, if Scotland wants to hide behind Mummie's skirts, then so be it, but admit it as the shoneenism that it is and not some far seeing monetary policy pragmatism.
 
This is seems stupid to me. If Scotland becomess independent, we may as well all separate. There's only going to be two n a half countries together. I don't see why Ireland can't become one country instead of Northern, Southern Ireland. And Wales become independent. We already have a bit of dependence. And would mean no more putting up with the shitty Torries who just want to make the poor, poorer n the rich, richer - and create a massive divide between the two.

Whatever anyone says about labour , they did a lot; working/ child tax credits, 56-102 linking rules to encourage disabled / ill people to go back to work , along with other initiative to he them stay there. They did stuff to help families n as far as I can see , all the Tories did was abolish stuff n make people poor.

Anyway this wasn't meant to be a post , ranting about the Torrie government - so will leave it there. If I vote, it will be no because I believe we should be united, not splitting up but if Scotland becomes independent I hope that Wales follows suit. Sounds slightly contradictory. , but I hope you all understand what I mean. I just do not understand why we are voting whether or not SCOTLAND should be independent, when there are other countries in the UK. Why Scotland as opposed to Northern Ireland or Wales?

Evey
 
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One Thousand Words said:
I honestly don't know why Rangers didn't enter the bottom of the English football league and try to gain promotion into the EPL.
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it might seem ridiculous to you especially if you live in or come from Australia, but i think there are also practical reasons, like the distances involved, why the best Scottish teams dont play in the "English" Premiership. Thats what i heard being said atleast, but i dunno why they couldnt just catch a plane to avoid an 8 or 9 hour drive or even longer than that, if they have to play against a Southern team. It's not soleley an English league, Wales have teams in it too. Some of them sometimes make the premier league, i think :? (i dont really follow football, and only know what i hear others constantly talking about or if something gets mentioned on the news)
 
mydrugbuddy said:
it might seem ridiculous to you especially if you live in or come from Australia, but i think there are also practical reasons, like the distances involved, why the best Scottish teams dont play in the "English" Premiership. Thats what i heard being said atleast, but i dunno why they couldnt just catch a plane to avoid an 8 or 9 hour drive or even longer than that, if they have to play against a Southern team. It's not soleley an English league, Wales have teams in it too. Some of them sometimes make the premier league, i think :? (i dont really follow football, and only know what i hear others constantly talking about or if something gets mentioned on the news)
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Makes sense. Good post.

Evey
 
it would also mean a huge trek for the hardcore fans that follow their team to every away game aswell as their home games. Some Newcastle and Sunderland fans do that, but it could mean an extra 4 hours or so ontop of an 8 hour journey for the Rangers fans. Im sure it would be more interesting for the Rangers players to get to play a load of different teams rather than the same old same old small handfull every single season. It must get very repetative at times.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
it would also mean a huge trek for the hardcore fans that follow their team to every away game aswell as their home games. Newcastle and Sunderland fans do that, but it could mean an extra 4 hours or so ontop of an 8 hour journey for the Rangers fans. Im sure it would be more interesting for the Rangers players to get to play a load of different teams rather than the same old same old small handfull every single season. It must get very repetative at times.
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If the Rangers fans got a season ticket they could still go to the home games like most fans.

My family are big Manchester United fans - and go to every home game, along with the odd away game , including Europe, Moscow etc.

Evey
 
Well yeah with the new premier league TV deal it would probably better even without CL qualification. Won't happen now anyway, if we are letting those foreigners in why don't we let Real Madrid and Barca in.
 
hey evey

your thinking on the issue of scottish independence seems to be a bit muddled. you asked earlier:
Eveleivibe said:
Why should they be different to the rest of us?
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because, for many scottish people, scottish people simply are different to the rest of the uk.

i think some people are making their decision based less on logic and more on history and passion. many self-determination movements aren't grounded in long-term logic - just a heartfelt desire to makes ones own decisions.

alasdair
 
The only reason I can see any scot voting Yes is out of resentment. We've been carrying them for an age, and deep down they know this. If they want out, let them. Cut the dead wood and watch GDP fall in scotland and rise in england. They are a drain on health, the benefit system and contribute far less to the economy than the south. The North South divide is alive and well. Watch it deepen following independence. Furthermore, have you ever actually been to Scotland? They've even managed to pillage 99% of the cod out of the north sea, so now I am forced to order a 'fish' (whatever they manage to drag up from the ocean bottom) & chips instead of my usual 'cod and chips'.

I cant see it ever actually happening as most scottish have the intellect to realise they'd be fucked. The whole episode reminds me of North Korea's redundant posturing every once in a while. All on account of their country essentially, being shit and being fucked off about it.
 
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