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Opioids Clandestine opiates

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JohnHenery8

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In my 12 years playing around I have only seen Pharms or dope. Occasionally you hear something about fent, the last I remember was in Canada and sounded like the reporter may of had some facts screwed up.

I realize as a manufacture/smugglers approach would be to go with the smallest most valuable package; hence heroin. With the pill craze and opiate use on the climb don't you all think it would be cool to see some clandestin produced opiates! In my head I just want to be able to buy morphine like how dope is sold. Oral morphine in poppy tea or pill form works great for me. I would much rather take 120mg of morp than 40-60mg of hydrocodone or Oxycotin. OC is pretty good for me in a nice fat line but I haven't gotten it in ages because the price is stupid!

While browsing the Internet I saw pictures of what was said to be bricks of Morphine base being transported to be further processed into H. I wanted that brick with a bird stamp from the moment I saw it!

With how E pills are pumped out why not Morphine. People like myself could swallow or others could inject (assuming its HCL)

Has anyone seen morphine like this? I know heroin #2 is essentially what I'm talking about but that never makes it to the USA right? Only other time I have read about bulk M being on the street is when it came from a compounding pharmacy or some sort of theft.

Hopefully my second post doesn't have to many flaws or offensive material... Peace Peace
 
Well,I've had heroin that was mixed with powdered morphine so it must be getting here somehow.I once asked a dealer of some of this dope if he would sell me just the powdered morphine.He said he would but the price he wanted for it made me decline the offer so it must be very expensive.
 
downerhead said:
Well,I've had heroin that was mixed with powdered morphine so it must be getting here somehow.I once asked a dealer of some of this dope if he would sell me just the powdered morphine.He said he would but the price he wanted for it made me decline the offer so it must be very expensive.
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I just watched a show where they had the dealers masked, mixing in a giant bag of morphine in their signature "scramble" recipe.

It was bleach white which makes me feel like it was stolen pharm grade, perhaps wrong though that is just my impression. I have no experience with H or bulk M. This triggered me to google the shit out of it as to where there morphone would come from and several people said that the dope jelled up when cooked. Meaning those goofy pills were ground and mixed in!
 
Yeah,I've had stuff gel up too but the majority of morphine dope I've had cooked right down.I have always assumed it was,as you said,stolen pharmaceutical morphine powder.
 
Even better,if the doctors would just write prescriptions for heroin for those of us opiate tolerant types who are in chronic pain.But alas,that's a pipe dream,at least for the USA.
 
downerhead said:
Even better,if the doctors would just write prescriptions for heroin for those of us opiate tolerant types who are in chronic pain.But alas,that's a pipe dream,at least for the USA.
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I think we will see Heroin maintenance/detox programs in years to come for addicts that failed with sub/methadone treatment. Maybe they could enroll lifelong pain maintenance patients as well. If you haven't already you should read up on these programs. Outside the USA of course but pretty interesting. One program is a clinic injection site where registered addicts come three times a day. Another I could of swore allowed smoking heroin for maintenance and weening purposes. However if you were found to be injecting I think you're discharged.

I really think there should be Pharmacies, pharmacies! Not one stop shopping stores. These Pharmacies should be government regulated and adults can register for purchasing. Each adult has an allotted amount they can buy per month. I think things like weed, opium, mushrooms, kratom, kava kava. All natural medicines or used for recreation.If you start acting like a crack head the pharmacy can band you. If you get banded from three pharmacys than you're disqualified for the pharmacy program. They could run out of these location the maintenance programs for addicts.

The war on drugs will never win. We migh as well make all that taxable money. I would love to be able to get quality opium.

Do you have a condition were you think prescription heroin; used for pain would benefit you? Would you still get high on it? Maybe if you have to use two doses or would you be able to use it for just pain?
 
This thread has veered wide from the original topic. If someone had the opium to refine to morphine, why the hell would they not double the potency and go to heroin? If you want morphine, convert it back. Waste of money, but you could do it.

Heroin and morphine are basically indistinguishable snorted, and heroin has a better rush injected, so that's what people want.

There are clandestinely produced opioids, fentanyl has been, and more recently Chinese-sourced acetylfentanyl has been showing up. That was just an RC that someone decided to start ordering in bulk and cutting and selling as dope.

There are other opioid RC's, MT-45, for instance. Haven't been sold as heroin yet afaik, but could conceivably.
 
Hammilton said:
This thread has veered wide from the original topic. If someone had the opium to refine to morphine, why the hell would they not double the potency and go to heroin? If you want morphine, convert it back. Waste of money, but you could do it.

Heroin and morphine are basically indistinguishable snorted, and heroin has a better rush injected, so that's what people want.

There are clandestinely produced opioids, fentanyl has been, and more recently Chinese-sourced acetylfentanyl has been showing up. That was just an RC that someone decided to start ordering in bulk and cutting and selling as dope.

There are other opioid RC's, MT-45, for instance. Haven't been sold as heroin yet afaik, but could conceivably.
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I have heard snorting heroin is similar to an OC/morphine high. I just haven't done it, I think if I come across it I would grab a few stamp bags (East Coast) just not something I have been hunting down.

Last time I checked the RC market it seemed like everything available was super strong and dangerous to work with. Or weak and not worth the time or money. Do you have any experience with worthy ones?

I also feel opium would do very well in the US right now. I'm sure lots of people would love the ritual of smoking it and combining with other lower end party drugs. I also would love to use it as a pick me up for when your original dose doesn't get you where you want to be.

I wasn't arguing that any type of clandestine opiate/opiod would be superior to dope. Just that for people like me that don't do dope, and there's lots of us. It would be cool to have more middle ground to experiment with.
 
I see a lot of RC related to pot, but not opiates. I imagine that, short of discovering an entirely new class of opiates that doesnt have a thebaine or fentanyl backbone, we'll never see anything that can be made easily (like shake and bake meth). Heroin is easy to make, but, afaik, acetic anhydride is the only route to make it, and is probably watched like a hawk here in the US. I remember reading an article years ago about making morphine from scratch, it was like a 30 step process with overall yield in the 1% range. I imagine poppies are easy enough to grow, but you're still stuck with the fact that even the best poppies only make about 3% morphine, with the rest being thebaine (building block for the codone and morphones), codeine, and a bunch of inactive garbage. Personally, I think the future would be in bacterial conversion of something lesser, say codeine, into something more potent. Making psilocybin and psilocin from scratch is a daunting process, growing mushrooms is magnitudes of orders easier. Even if you have a masters in organic chemistry, getting the supplies to try to make opiates is going to be problematic. and then there was that one guy who tried making MPPP (I think that's like Demerol, cant be assed to look it up), wound up making MPTP as a by-product, and basically gave himself Parkinsons.
 
RC opiates are out there... AH-7921 (but EU wide ban coming soon), MT-45 (both very morphine like with slightly lower potency i believe), all the fent analogues (but yea, dangerous to handle because it's so powerfull/mg, then again fent seems from what ive seen read, to be a rather "uninteresting" opiate high), o-desmethyl-tramadol (sounds nice...), and i'm sure many more... but they're rather closed circles
 
I want to grow poppies next year just for the pods. Do you mean morphine is 3% by weight of plant? I have always read the sap is around 12%. With a certain genetically modified pharmaceutical company brands said to hit 30% and others to produce a majority of thebaine.

I love pods and have ordered pounds for cheap overseas. Just don't want to push my luck with always ordering and having the same customs guys recognize packages. I think they would just take em but would rather not lose the money.

I had a Cali based company that had ok prices for pods and great customer service but stopped shipping to NY because the state wouldn't give them the paperwork to properly file State sales tax. I assume they want to do everything by the book with pods being a gray area in the states.

They're much more enjoyable to work with than seeds.. Quick blender action with warm water and strain. Always yeild much more consintrated brew than pounds of messy seeds.

I once did the wax defat and evaporation and got a sticky crystal like substance like other CFO teks but when I swallowed it I got nothing. Possibly exceeded temp ranges but it was rather disappointing for the amount of effort.

Pretty cool info out there about people precipitating the morphine from poppy tea. Don't think I would try this as I like the whole concoction.
 
Uh yeah, fent is some good shit lol. I used to get the patches and cut a piece off and jus chew on it and just suck all the gel off. It's not very good if you use them as directed placed on the skin. But with other ROA fent is really good.
 
afaik the 3% is weight of the sap, not the entire plant. 12% or 30% for morphine are pipe dreams, even if the thebaine could be pushed that high, you still have a not-easy synth to make something useful from it (imo, that would be oxymorphone, the rolls royce of opiates).

Tapentadol is relatively new opiate, but is weak sauce, and since the dea schedule 2'd it here in the US, forget any clandestined homebakes to make something 'better' from it. shame, there are tons on places for substitutions on the molecule, it looks a bit like an extended phenethylamine. was thinking of other opiates ive taken, demerol is noce orally, IV it makes my head swim and gives me a metallic taste in my mouth. my shrink gave me 60 50mg pills when i told him I got strung out on heroin. pretty cool of him. I took 16 the first day to stave the w/d... and yes, to get fucked up. kinda toxic tho, andIm guessing by its IUPAC name that it uses, at some point, piperidine in its synth, which is also watched like a hawk. and sorry, fentanyl is crap, sure, it's powerful, but so is a turbine powered moped. Id rather drive the Ferrari (heroin) or Rolls (Oxymorphone). Might not go 300mph but its a much nicer and longer ride.
 
The old medical books I have state that standardized BP/USP opium was 10% morphine base but "many commercial grades are higher".
 
How bout some clandestine Hydromorphone or Oxymorphone? Maybe even ketobemidone or dipipanone.
 
I'm not really sure what you're getting at here, do you mean RC opioids or opioids that could be cooked up at home like meth with no chem background?

For the RC market, a true mu-agonist in the same league as morphine would be a disaster IMO. Overdosing on one of the many RC stims (and stims in general) around would be unpleasant, sure, but usually you wake up fine the next day. Overdosing on an opioid, especially when we're talking about eyeballing bulk powder (which is how you know it'll be handled by a lot of end users), is a great way to stop breathing. RC opioids would require a great deal of care by the buyer. After all the reports I've read of people eyeballing lines, doing massive first doses, not allergy testing, mixing chemicals with no idea how they interact, etc I think it's safe to say if a true opioid RC hit the market and was popular there would be a trail of bodies in its wake.

If you meant making them yourself, it's just not as easy as the simple reduction of pseudoephedrine to methamphetamine when you're dealing with opioids. It's not impossible, but you can't just run to your nearest hardware store and pharmacy and have what you need. You need some knowledge of organic chemistry and access to labware and a chemical supply house to do even the more simple synths.

The simplest way to get an easy and "clandestine" opioid high is just brew some poppy tea (IMO I prefer it to heroin and morphine, gets me where I want and for 8-12hrs), isn't that good enough? Really can't think of anything easier than grinding up some pods and soaking them in hot water, even cooking meth is much harder than that.
 
stayZOOTY said:
I'm not really sure what you're getting at here, do you mean RC opioids or opioids that could be cooked up at home like meth with no chem background?

For the RC market, a true mu-agonist in the same league as morphine would be a disaster IMO. Overdosing on one of the many RC stims (and stims in general) around would be unpleasant, sure, but usually you wake up fine the next day. Overdosing on an opioid, especially when we're talking about eyeballing bulk powder (which is how you know it'll be handled by a lot of end users), is a great way to stop breathing. RC opioids would require a great deal of care by the buyer. After all the reports I've read of people eyeballing lines, doing massive first doses, not allergy testing, mixing chemicals with no idea how they interact, etc I think it's safe to say if a true opioid RC hit the market and was popular there would be a trail of bodies in its wake.

If you meant making them yourself, it's just not as easy as the simple reduction of pseudoephedrine to methamphetamine when you're dealing with opioids. It's not impossible, but you can't just run to your nearest hardware store and pharmacy and have what you need. You need some knowledge of organic chemistry and access to labware and a chemical supply house to do even the more simple synths.

The simplest way to get an easy and "clandestine" opioid high is just brew some poppy tea (IMO I prefer it to heroin and morphine, gets me where I want and for 8-12hrs), isn't that good enough? Really can't think of anything easier than grinding up some pods and soaking them in hot water, even cooking meth is much harder than that.
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I mainly use poppy tea also as it gets me right where I want to be. The topic was more started to just see if there was a reason or people with greater knowledge than I to why morphine isn't put out on the street from the same people doing Heroin. I'm sure the people making it could care less when you sell everything that can be made.

Not so interested in the RC market for all the reasons you stated. Either weak sauce or super potent. Haven't seen one that people really like and can use safely.

I just know if I could buy street morphine or even opium I would love that as a break from poppy tea sometimes. Mainly use seeds and get sick of those little bastards getting on stuff. If I could gel cap a .2-.3 of powder and get that high. That's be sweet.

I also just want to meet some people on the forum so posted what was on my mind. Simple discussion topic. I didn't expect anything ground breaking to come of it,
 
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