Prescribed percocet for add need advice for dosing etc.

[Nikibeamer]

I need some advice from recreational percocet users or from people who use for add and anxiety symptoms.

I am prescribed 60 percocet 7.5/325 per month for anxiety. If you read my other threads I was honest and open with my Pdoc that it helps me tremendously with anxiety and adhd symptoms so can we give it a shot? she had no problem doing this as she and I have a great relationship.

i have been using pretty consistently for 5 months (had previous script from a injury) I usually take between 15-22 mgs 5 days per week. So 2- 4 pills per day. I wanted to cut back so I have not taken any for 4 days and I don't feel to bad.. Today(day4) I feel a little run down and have diarrhea yuk!! But I do not want to build tolerance and honestly it has not been hard at all to resist taking a pill when I have 50 in my kitchen drawer.

Would 3 days on 4 days off be a good schedule to help prolong tolerance?
Will I likely withdrawal on the 4 days off? Today is the first day I haven't felt good first couple days I was just a little achy at night and had a watery nose!

I also have lost 5lbs in the 4 days I stopped!!! That's enough right there to keep me from getting addicted!
Do any of you notice extreme water retention or weight gain from percocet?

I will continue to use percocet on occasion but would like to hear from people who have also done so.
Thank you but I don't need the comments that state "addiction will catch up with me" etc. I'm very aware of the risks with this treatment.
Thank you!

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

I have been an on and off perc and norco user for 2-3 years now, I use them for depression, anxiety, and possible undiagnosed adhd. I would say I average 10- 70mg of hydro a month. For the first year I could easily get off on 10mg orally as a whole pill but each year it seems to have increased by at least 10mg/ year despite me using small amounts spanned over time, I am now up to 30mg to get off.

A tolerance increase is most likely going to happen no matter how you dose, I'm not saying you will necessarily be addicted but you will have to take more to have it work the same. That means to not get addicted you will have to use less often as your tolerance increases, which may become hard to do. It's good that you don't feel a strong urge to take them, but there is no guarantee it will always be like that.

 

[Nikibeamer]

Thank you for your response.. Wow 10-70 mg a month is low! I have found 15mg seems to be my sweet spot if I go over 20mgs in one dose I get really groggy and tired. I like the stimulant I get at 15mg ( two of the 7.5) it's just enough to give me energy and focus as well as a mood lifter.
I think I over did it for a few weeks so going cold turkey for 4 days I am definitely not feeling well today.

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

Yeah it's walking a tight rope with opiates especially oxy since it's so short acting, hell I'm surprised you got it prescribed for your conditions. If you want it to continue to work you will need to be very careful to resist redosing as much as possible, once you start redosing your tolerance will shoot up faster.

Since your doctor is willing to try opiates I would suggest tramadol if it isn't already out of the question. It usually lasts anywhere from 6- 12 hours and is very good for stimulation, a mood lift, and slight sedation in some cases. It does carry certain risks like possible siezures at high doses, so if you are prone to siezures it may not be the best option.

anyway good luck

 

[Nikibeamer]

Yeah I'm very lucky to have such a open minded physiatrist! Is tramadol class 2 also?

 

[wharf_rat]

i cant imagine how opiates would help with anxiety OR adhd, unless of course your body is already used to/dependent on taking opiates.
withdrawl can cause anxiety and limit your ability to concentrate. it sounds to me like a maintenance script.
adderall and xanax should fix all that. but im no doctor.. but i do have a fair amount of experience with pharms

 

[edgewise1]

No, Tramadol is a C4 drug. I've never heard of prescribing Percocet for ADD!! But with such a willing psychiatrist I say go for it and I can see it being a great anxiety reliever. Tramadol, as falsifiedhypothesi said, might be something to try due to it's long period of relief.

 

[paranoid android]

Since your doctor is willing to try opiates I would suggest tramadol if it isn't already out of the question. It usually lasts anywhere from 6- 12 hours and is very good for stimulation, a mood lift, and slight sedation in some cases. It does carry certain risks like possible siezures at high doses, so if you are prone to siezures it may not be the best option.

After seeing so many people go through Tramadol withdrawal i would honestly advise against it. I have seen people get some pretty brutal and long lasting withdrawal symptoms from tramadol which is probably due to it's SNRI properties as well as mild Mu opioid agonist properties.

 

[AnimeRob1337]

Tramadol can be dangerous even in small amounts when added to a high opiate cocktail, know your tolerance and ask your doctor / insurance's nurse line if they have one regarding the efficacy of taking tramadol/ultram on top of what you're taking already.

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

I wasn't suggesting he take it on top of the percs, I was offering an alternative.

I've heard tramadol withdrawals are pretty bad but for me it's a lot easier to control my tramadol use compared to other opiates. Plus tolerance to tramadol seems to build much slower than other opiates ime.

 

[Nikibeamer]

i cant imagine how opiates would help with anxiety OR adhd, unless of course your body is already used to/dependent on taking opiates.
withdrawl can cause anxiety and limit your ability to concentrate. it sounds to me like a maintenance script.
adderall and xanax should fix all that. but im no doctor.. but i do have a fair amount of experience with pharms

Everyones brain is wired different and I have the dreaded adhd/anxiety combo which is hard to treat. I have had a script for xanex for 12 years and for me it's no more than a sleeping aid. I actually have grown to dislike xanex over the years although I always keep it around for those sleepless nights. For me xanex brings on depression if used frequently. Adderall was a nightmare ,great when up but the come down was pure anxiety hell. Even wellbutrin was to stimulating for my anxiety. I've tried it all over the past 15 years too and the percocet has the least side effects for me if used sparingly.

I do use the percocet almost like I would use a xanex. ( as needed) Only I get stimulation not drowsiness ( like xanex causes me)and never any anxiety from it. The trick is finding a schedule with it to keep tolerance down. I'm trying to go at least 4 days off a week unless I have a huge project or need to clean the shit out my house!!!

 

[sekio]

The unfortunate truth is that if you use opioids on any sort of a regular basis (doubly so if you actually depend on them to function psychologically) then you will inevitably build tolerance, dosing schedule or no dosing schedule. All you can really do otherwise is avoid taking them for as long as possible, and when you do, keep the dose to the very minimum needed...

 

[Nikibeamer]

The unfortunate truth is that if you use opioids on any sort of a regular basis (doubly so if you actually depend on them to function psychologically) then you will inevitably build tolerance, dosing schedule or no dosing schedule. All you can really do otherwise is avoid taking them for as long as possible, and when you do, keep the dose to the very minimum needed...

I know your absolutely right and it's such a shame but the same kind of happens with me with ssri and even benzos I build tolerance and need more. I know opioids is a whole other kind of tolerance unfortunately..
well see how it goes!

 

[T. Calderone]

Since you're prescribed 60 per month, I would not go over 2 per day. You may have days that you find you don't even need one. The schedule you're on will be hard to stick to and then you may end up running out. This regimen also probably contributed to your diarrhea.

 

[downerhead]

Wow,Nikibeamer,you lucky dog!!!!Percocet for anxiety?That's awesome.Opiates are great for anxiety,contrary to what many think..A long time ago(1920s and further back)before they had dedicated tranquilizers,opiates were often used for that purpose.Opiates and alcohol were your only options for anxiety,a largely misunderstood condition back then.They even had a drug called Laudnum which was opium dissolved in liquor for so called "nervous conditions".Wish they still had that now.In the 1800s it was even otc or available from the Sears and Roebuck catalog!I still find the opioids I'm prescribed for chronic pain to give a nice boost to my Xanax for my anxiety/panic disorder.Both conditions are chronic and pretty severe and the meds synergize quite nicely.Alcohol is a great adjunct treatment for both conditions(obligatory disclaimer:they can be dangerous when mixed)but wow,what a great psychiatrist you have.I have a great one too.He's the only doctor,psychiatist or otherwise,whose ever put me on a high enough dose of Xanax enough times a day to effectively treat my panic disorder.I wish he would also treat my pain since he is a doctor and if your psychiatrist precribes opiate painkillers then obviously they can get away with writing for them.Where I live it's very rural so there's lots of diversion of prescriptions(since there's no heroin or other street drugs except crystal and really primo weed(both of which I hate) so phrms are the only option) and this makes doctors loathe to write for anything.Only thing I'm able to get right now is some very ineffective Norco(hydrocodone)10/325s.I agree with those advising against tramadol.They were prescribed to me once for pain and, while they had absoluyely no effect on me,I've heard about a multitude of negative side effects associated with them,especially the potentially lethal seratonin syndrome.BUT a true opioid like Percocet can do wonders for anxiety and depression and even povide focus and motivation for ADHD.You may want to speak with your psychiatrist about adding a benzdiazpaine tranquilizer like Xanax or Valium.They can be miracle drugs for anxiety/panic attack sufferers and can help even out the peaks and valleys in your treatment when taken in conjunction with your Percocet.Congratulations on having such a good doctor.He/she is a rarity these days:someonr who actually helps rather than wanting to pump you full of crazy SSRI/SNRI meds.Sounds like you've got a keeper.

 

[DebbieM]

No no don't take 4 days off! You will get physically sick. Percoset is very physically addicting. Why were you not prescribed stimulants like Adderall or Concerta? Do stimulants make you paranoid? Also what is your official DX if I may ask?

 

[Nikibeamer]

No no don't take 4 days off! You will get physically sick. Percoset is very physically addicting. Why were you not prescribed stimulants like Adderall or Concerta? Do stimulants make you paranoid? Also what is your official DX if I may ask?

I took 6 days off and I didn't feel to bad until day 4 then I just had stomach issues. I did 4 days on and now I'm on day 2 off and I feel fine.. I have played around enough to know now what I handle as far as doseage and days off. I'm going to try to stick with 4 on and 3 off now. I take 15mgs on my days on. I do not like anything over 15 mgs it makes me sleepy/groggy. 15mgs is where I find stimulation.

if you read thru this thread you will see I have tried xanax, adderall etc.etc. etc. I have adhd and anxiety. My anxiety isn't extreme but becomes extreme when treating adhd with stimulants. The comedown is pure hell.

Your right downerhead I'm so lucky to have such a great doctor she has worked with me for years and been open to trying what I want to try and letting me decide the risk. Obviously she also trusts me and knows my personality. She also spoke about past physcological studies based on opium (percocet) for adhd/anxiety disorder and says it really just comes down to the labeling of opioids. She says it absolutely shoukd be off label to treat these conditions. Works for me!!!

 

[Kilfer]

Your right downerhead I'm so lucky to have such a great doctor she has worked with me for years and been open to trying what I want to try and letting me decide the risk. Obviously she also trusts me and knows my personality. She also spoke about past physcological studies based on opium (percocet) for adhd/anxiety disorder and says it really just comes down to the labeling of opioids. She says it absolutely shoukd be off label to treat these conditions. Works for me!!!

She's certainly cool but is also being professional. Since she is not giving you any other heavily controlled medication like Ritalin or Adderal to treat your diagnosed ADHD that leaves her at liberty to dispense just about anything she thinks may alleviate one of your main symptoms, be it off-label. Like another informative member posted, the restrictions imposed on opiate labeling are not based on all scientifically observed effects of these drugs, but only a selected few. This is probably due to a mix of commercial interest in fragmenting the market, regulatory complacency back when most "regulators" were political appointees and industry reps, and even moral/religious meddling.