ADVICE NEEDED REGARDING THE FOLLOWING MEDICATIONS: Benzos, Opiates.

[dj_]

Hello All here at Bluelight.org

My name is dj_

I have been on & off browsing this website for quite sometime now, over a period of time and decided to ask you some questions here for one reason and one reason only:

ANY PERSON/PERSONS WILL ONLY UNDERSTAND THINGS WHICH THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED THEMSELVES.

Hence what brings me here to ask you my personal Questions.

(FOR EXAMPLE) - I don't care if your an educated psychologist in self harm - however a degree which says you know about everything in this area, does not truly mean that the aforementioned psychologist in self harm truly does have an understanding of self harmers. It may indeed give him/her advanced knowledge over regular people who have not studied this field, but as previously mentioned the true and only saying -ANY PERSON/PERSONS WILL ONLY UNDERSTAND THINGS WHICH THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED THEMSELVES.

Now, i hope i have given a good enough explanation for the people who can or cannot answer these questions, so thus i will continue:
I have been experimenting with pharmaceutical & illegal drugs for roughly 10 years, a very long time (which is relative to my age)

I have played around with very little Benzodiazepines, & most Opiates.

My most abused Benzo is: Diazepam/Valium. I can take up to 100mg over the course of one night. I haven't exceeded this dose, but understand it's extremely difficult to OD on Valium.
I only do this for terms of getting high off of them. (or low whatever term would apply for the nice effect they give off)
I have played around with this on and off for months, but i have been able to maintain a steady employment basis basically unrecognized, whilst doing so.

I also play around with (at different times of the Benzos) Opiates.
I wouldn't really mix the two for fear of some interaction or OD'ing because of the ridiculously high tolerance i have to opiates, but a very weak tolerance to benzos, EXCLUDING diazepam/Valium.

I would usually experiment with doses for purposes of getting high, usually at night, with the following:

Codeine phosphate - 30mg tabs - up to 500mg a time. Anything higher wouldn't do anything more to me.

Tramadol/Ultram Hydrochloride - 50mg - started from getting high on 500mg and rapidly built a tolerance so fast i was exceeding doses of around (approx) 2 - 3grams. I realize how incredibly dangerous and ignorant of me this is 8( This is why as i have slowly (& almost completely stopped tramadol )

Morphine tabs LA - between 10 - 100mg TABS. I once went through a period where i would take the grey tablet of morphine 100mg almost daily for about a month. i gradually reduced and eventually stopped. It was actually AFTER i stopped these, that i went to move on to tramadol as explained above.

Methamphetamine - im not sure exactly the dose but it was very expensive and i only ever did this twice. Both times i didnt sleep for literally days. Out of all the drugs i have used/abused i would call this one the devils drug, i would never touch that again, and strongly advise anyone AGAINST using it, even if in two minds about using it or not, simply put, DONT TOUCH IT.

Cocaine - Recently used for a party with a few new circle of friends who like to party. I enjoyed it, it was like an extremely MILD version of meth. Yes, i could go to sleep that SAME night. On meth you wont sleep for a minimum 3 or 4 days even a first time. But overall cocaine i dont see as crazy addicting, but more a party drug.

Heroin - i snorted 2 X 20 dollar bags over the last 2 nights and it was INCREDIBLE. The downside with it, is that it must have been mixed with so many additives 9for the weight of sell i assume) that it burnt the hell out of your nostrils and back of throat. Kind of like that burning sensation of snorting Ritalin/rubifen but like 7 or 8 X Stronger. However, extremely powerful and nice. It was white powder not brown as i always thought it was? Anyway, a great experience overall.


Ok if you have read this far i give you my full respect and applause! and now i have finally reached where i am stuck and need help.

I have obtained the following and in my current possession:

11 X 1mg single blue tab XANAX = i dont know anything much about other than it is a benzo...? Experienced users please breifly deatail some very USEFUL info on this for me
6 X 1mg single green KLONOPIN/CLONAZEPAM
2 X 40mg METHADONE pills orange wafers = i know VERY little about it other than it can help for withdrawals but will i get high or what??

Obviously i have googled and wikipedia'd each pill, but still feel under enough.

ANY HELP FROM ANYONE IS GREATLY ENORMOUSLY APPRECIATED, YOU COULD BE SAVING A LIFE HERE.


TLDR:

I NEED BRIEF HELP WITH THE FOLLOWING DRUGS, STARTING DOSAGES, EFFECTS OF EACH DRUG ETC. ANSWERS AS BRIEF AND DETAILED AS POSSIBLE PLEASE AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.

11 X 1mg single blue tab XANAX = i dont know anything much about other than it is a benzo...? Experienced users please breifly deatail some very USEFUL info on this for me
6 X 1mg single green KLONOPIN/CLONAZEPAM
2 X 40mg METHADONE pills orange wafers = i know VERY little about it other than it can help for withdrawals but will i get high or what??

 

[Aurelia]

Hey dj

I can tell you about almost all of those as I've been on them for years.

In my experience, Xanax is about twice as strong as Valium. It also doesn't mess with my memory as badly. There are no side effects. I take one or two mg a night to sleep. You can't get high on it, it'll just put you to sleep. If you take all 11 of those at once, we probably won't be hearing from you again. It didn't take, in my experience, more than a week to titrate down off a benzo to get to a safer level, but still have it work. Giving in to your tolerance going up will feel good the first couple of times, but then you'll feel the same. So you'll want to take more. Try going down by a third of what you're taking every other day until you're down to one or two mg. Then stay there and when you take them, wait for them to hit. It always seems like they're not working, so we take another one, but if you wait, it'll work. Go out of your way to notice it's working and you can feel just as good with a fraction of the poison going through your system.

They give you methadone to get off heroin and other opioids. You get pain relief without any euphoria, which is why people get going so fast and hard on things like oxycodone. No high, just pain relief.

I envy your experience with heroin. I just smoked a third of a gram of black for the first time in my life and nothing happened. How do you snort it? The smoke you mean? Or was yours powdery enough to grind up? Mine was like hash. I can't believe everybody gets these wonderful experiences with heroin and I'm not even doing much in the way of drugs, and I do a big piece and all it does is taste really bad. I will not inject anything.

If you take a boatload of Valium, diazepam or Xanax and add oxy 30s to that, you won't wake up. I mean permanently. They slow your respiration while they sedate your central nervous system and you'll fall into a deep sleep, your breathing will slow and then stop and yer ded. DONT MIX THEM! Same with alcohol. Get drunk, take a handful of Xanax and what the hell, some oxy too, and you'll die if you aren't lucky enough to vomit in your sleep. But you might be so sedated, according to whatever your mixture is, that you suffocate on your vomit. I almost did.

The clonazepam I don't really remember, and that is one of the side effects of benzos. I find that Xanax does it less. And don't EVER take Atavan! They use it in surgery to make you forget the pain you went through. When I took it for anxiety, I would lose whole experiences, like a dinner where two friends came over for four hours and we had fun. Three weeks later I didn't remember one minute of that. And I wasn't drinking! You don't get a high or a low, just memory loss.

When I was forced to try Tramedol for my considerable pain before they'd let me have oxycodone, it was not as powerful as an aspirin. That is what everyone with serious pain has said. Don't even bother with it.

Now you know what all this is doing to your liver and kidneys, right? Look up the recent photo of Robert Plant and that's how you're going to look by the time you're fifty. I have a friend who's got Hep-C from using dirty needles, she's 54 and I'm 58, she looks like a zombie and I still get hit on by guys in their thirties. Best to do nice clean drugs.

Hope this helps.

 

[Kilfer]

I wouldn't really mix the two for fear of some interaction or OD'ing because of the ridiculously high tolerance i have to opiates, but a very weak tolerance to benzos, EXCLUDING diazepam/Valium.

There is cross-tolerance between all benzos, you can't have a high tolerance to one and not the others even though mileage may vary

 

[dj_]

Hey dj

I can tell you about almost all of those as I've been on them for years.

In my experience, Xanax is about twice as strong as Valium. It also doesn't mess with my memory as badly. There are no side effects. I take one or two mg a night to sleep. You can't get high on it, it'll just put you to sleep. If you take all 11 of those at once, we probably won't be hearing from you again. It didn't take, in my experience, more than a week to titrate down off a benzo to get to a safer level, but still have it work. Giving in to your tolerance going up will feel good the first couple of times, but then you'll feel the same. So you'll want to take more. Try going down by a third of what you're taking every other day until you're down to one or two mg. Then stay there and when you take them, wait for them to hit. It always seems like they're not working, so we take another one, but if you wait, it'll work. Go out of your way to notice it's working and you can feel just as good with a fraction of the poison going through your system.

They give you methadone to get off heroin and other opioids. You get pain relief without any euphoria, which is why people get going so fast and hard on things like oxycodone. No high, just pain relief.

I envy your experience with heroin. I just smoked a third of a gram of black for the first time in my life and nothing happened. How do you snort it? The smoke you mean? Or was yours powdery enough to grind up? Mine was like hash. I can't believe everybody gets these wonderful experiences with heroin and I'm not even doing much in the way of drugs, and I do a big piece and all it does is taste really bad. I will not inject anything.

If you take a boatload of Valium, diazepam or Xanax and add oxy 30s to that, you won't wake up. I mean permanently. They slow your respiration while they sedate your central nervous system and you'll fall into a deep sleep, your breathing will slow and then stop and yer ded. DONT MIX THEM! Same with alcohol. Get drunk, take a handful of Xanax and what the hell, some oxy too, and you'll die if you aren't lucky enough to vomit in your sleep. But you might be so sedated, according to whatever your mixture is, that you suffocate on your vomit. I almost did.

The clonazepam I don't really remember, and that is one of the side effects of benzos. I find that Xanax does it less. And don't EVER take Atavan! They use it in surgery to make you forget the pain you went through. When I took it for anxiety, I would lose whole experiences, like a dinner where two friends came over for four hours and we had fun. Three weeks later I didn't remember one minute of that. And I wasn't drinking! You don't get a high or a low, just memory loss.

When I was forced to try Tramedol for my considerable pain before they'd let me have oxycodone, it was not as powerful as an aspirin. That is what everyone with serious pain has said. Don't even bother with it.

Now you know what all this is doing to your liver and kidneys, right? Look up the recent photo of Robert Plant and that's how you're going to look by the time you're fifty. I have a friend who's got Hep-C from using dirty needles, she's 54 and I'm 58, she looks like a zombie and I still get hit on by guys in their thirties. Best to do nice clean drugs.

Hope this helps.

heya urelia!
Thankyou for the response! Yeah i had shot up properly for the first time last night and it was totally rockin. I did one snort and one plunge into the vein. By Snort, no, i do not mean black TAR heroin,(whi is what you had) i meant the small baggies of powder (white to greyish looking) baggies of 20's.
Snorting heroin white powder is equally a ROCKIN hiit, however there were a few serious problems that arose , me being the amateur that i am.
Firstly, as soon as you snort it (HARD AND FAST so it can go right up in the nostril and hit your brain the harder you snort the better the hit)
Secondly, i coma'd out in bed and fell aslssp a couple hjours later loveing it. But then i woke up and had the most REALISTIC Nightmare and human could possibly endure. I mean this thing wasnt just a " oh you poor fellow" it was more of a holy fu****g jessus, So that kept me awake for a few hours and i was still half cut. (THIS IS WALL LAST NIGHT BTW!) so i couldnt sleep again because of this night mare so i opened up another baggie and did half a baggie line in the other nostril.
HOLY CHRIST.
I was just fried. First time plunger and snorter with heroin. What the fuck are yuo doing dj?
I fell asleep literally 5 minutes later (what a waste i guess) that was around 5 am, i woke up at 8 am having a full on convulsive seizure. I cannot call 911 because i dont have medicare or any insurance. I treid to walk around my room to calm myself down but an adrenaline rush hit me with a panic attack therefore leading to spasms in all of my muscles. My Temperature ROCKETED. Its not 7.20pm (the same day this happened in the morning) and im writing my reply about it... i went out to calm myself down but i could barely move. Now i dont want to waste a lot of time emphasizing how EXTREMELY AWFUL this experieince is, so just take my word for it that it WAS bad. Im literally sweating buckets right now as im typing and goodebump shiveriung all over. We refer to it as the man flu, but beulieve me influenza brought on by the misuse of substance could have been instant withdrawals because of how munted i was.

So im a lot better now, much calmer i took 2mg xanax and ill take 2mg more in another half hour and go to sleep.

I will never touch heroin again and all the syringes, spoons, plungers ETC EVERYTHING is gone. By the way i forgot to mention, when i shot up i fucked up on hitting a veing like 8 times so this morning i look like a full on junkie of several years, despite it being a first time.
As far as im concerned, this drug is not worth the time in throwing your life away. Beccause in the end, you will be on streets hustling like all the other drug f****ked minds.

I have thrown everythign away and just kept 10 X 2mg XANAX. I think these too, are good for sleep.
Oh i also have some tramadol too but i dont really touch it though anymore, just a few i nthe morning because of tram withdrawals are fuc***ing horrendous,

PEACE & LOVE TO YOU ALL everyone has a struggle it doesnt what human you are or what your name is, EVERYONE has hardships in one way or another, so giving you my peace and love,
dj

 

[Felonious Monk]

Ok, I'm not really sure what the point of all that was, besides to ask how to dose xanax/klonopin/methadone (which can be found in dozens of other threads)....

But to quickly answer, so you don't kill yourself, here's the basics:
-don't mix the methadone with either of the benzos (at all, if you care about your life--methadone+xanax is a great way to die)
-don't take a whole 40mg of methadone (start with 10 at most, again crazy drug because of LONG half-life)
-start with 1mg benzo and work up--less is more

 

[Aurelia]

Hey dj

Im happy to hear you're going to say to tell with the heroin. You sound like you already have a death wish, and that's a short road to success. I had a friend who did drugs kinda the way you are with a lot of cocaine mixed in and one day he did too much and was unconscious. His stupid junkie girlfriend just thought he was asleep so she didn't call 911. He had actually slipped into a coma and was dead a couple of days later. He was so cool, the greatest guy. Terrible waste. Take care, dj. Seriously.

 

[dj_]

Thanks for the responses here. I have decided to stay away from all these crazy dangerous medicines which i have to be honest non clue about. I tossed out the heroin and plungers and everything assoisicateed with it. had a coupele of days of withdrawals and feel like shit today, so much so i dont even want to type. So im literally just sticking the taking 2mg xanax atm and keeping it steady with this only. I think at this time in my life its the best way. Luckily i was completely new to heroin and methadone and decided not to carrry on with it. that was enough for me. Ill stick with benzos only from now on and keep on working as per normal. Thanks again especially to you Aurelia.
Peace & love to all.

 

[Aurelia]

Dj dear~ happy to hear all this.

One thing though, if you have a problem with depression, benzos, being depressants, will worsen it. You won't notice it until you're REALLY down though. But if you're only taking small doses like me and my one mg at bedtime, you should be fine. They are easy to escalate, so what you have to do is wait longer for the effect. Then it will work, rather than gobbling down another one, or six. And remember, don't take Atavan! Ruins your memory big time!

Please keep me posted how you're doing. I want to hear you being tough and staying out of all that crap. Did you say your age?

 

[dj_]

Hey Aurelia,
Actually things have slightly changed.
Basically i don't want to go into too much detail about myself for obvious reasons on the internet especially a site such as this. I didn't say my age no, I'd also rather not but please don't mistake that for rudeness, I'm just securing myself, since we are posting openly on forum on the net which anyone can access. But I'm very early thirties.
I do have some more heroin but just a small amount. There's just so much to tell about my life at the moment id rather not make it a biography about me, i just wanted a few questions answered, and things are much clearer for me now, and appreciate yours, and everyone elses answers.
I am however about to make another thread regarding this heroin i have. Its such a small amount but im hoping i can get the most out of it.
If your interested and know a lot about H then please look for a thread posted by dj_ thats me :D

 

[Aurelia]

Where, on this thread?

 

[Smoky]

Hi dj!

Thanks for posting. Sounds like my old medicine cabinet.

Before I say more, I'm reading you have 40 mg methadone?

1. Do not take one of those. 2. Definitely do not take one of those 'with' a benzo. I personally wouldn't even mess with the methadone, it's like a 3 to 1 ratio to other opiates and that is just the low doses. It's against the law to prescribe over 30 mg as far as I remember, to someone initiating mmt from heroin withdrawal. It's a very strong drug.

It's great you are asking some questions before taking these meds.

 

[phatass]

check out the benzo ( http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/566261-Benzodiazepine-Conversion-Chart ) and opiate ( http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/564885-Opioid-Conversion-Chart ) equivalancy charts, for approximate doses, and don't forget to take into account half-lives (mthadone has a very long half life, xanax rather short etc.)...

also, and i don't know if this is true but i'm sure i read or was told methadone was more dangerous than other full opiate agonists when combined with a CNS depresant lik benzos, could be wrong about that though. Maybe it's because methadone isn't very euphoric, so people also tend to take higher doses, and re-dose too early...

Wait at least 3 hours before re-dosing methadone

 

[opi8]

I don't care if your an educated psychologist in self harm - however a degree which says you know about everything in this area, does not truly mean that the aforementioned psychologist in self harm truly does have an understanding of self harmers. It may indeed give him/her advanced knowledge over regular people who have not studied this field, but as previously mentioned the true and only saying -ANY PERSON/PERSONS WILL ONLY UNDERSTAND THINGS WHICH THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED THEMSELVES.

I think this Alice in Chains quote says what you're trying to say a little more eloquently:

You can't understand a user's mind
But try, with your books and degrees
If you let yourself go and opened your mind
I'll bet you'd be doing like me
And it ain't so bad

WRT to the drugs you are talking about, they are not for beginners, and if you don't know much about them, you should not be playing with them. I'm not one to preach, but strong benzo's and opiates have killed many experienced users, and will continue to kill many experienced users until the current drug laws change for the better. No disrespect intended, peace.

 

[phatass]

It's against the law to prescribe over 30 mg as far as I remember, to someone initiating mmt from heroin withdrawal. It's a very strong drug.

Over here, and i imagine in most clinics, you start at 30 or 40mg methadone, and work your way up until you have no withdrawal symptoms (I was up to 120mg, one psychiatrist told me he had a patient who took 900mg/day)

But you are right in putting OP on guard with te methadone, it's not like other opiates (read my post above)...

 

[Smoky]

Yes, I used Heroin on top of methadone once and also buprenex. With the methadone it shot my tolerance way up, on top of the subs I overdosed, seized and vomited….
at least cos with the buprenex I couldn't feel high. Boy, that was a mistake.

Yes, 30 over here is starting dose, no matter what, can't go higher. 5- 10 mg held me from heroin once, so that's an idea how strong it is.