Meth Addiction

[jaishivaya]

This is an honest thread.

I have a friend that's addicted to Meth. He's been abusing this drug on a daily basis for about a year now.
I've done my fare share of this stuff during my teen years and I know how addicting this stuff is.

I've been trying to get him off the drug for quite awhile now. It doesn't seem to be working. He's becoming more and more isolated and recluse and doesn't seem to be wanting to kick the habit at all.
He's obviously in denial and think that he has a problem at all because he's found the balance of incorporating this drug with his work, eating, and sleep schedule.
He has a ego problem and talks a lot about himself, things around himself, events surrounding him, as though the universe revolves around his ego.
Quite frankly I've told him to be more mindful of his speech, but quickly forgets that he's talking about something we don't care to listen to. I've even told him very bluntly that we don't really care what he has to say.

I've pointed him to the direction of religion and meditation. I've even given him a high dose of salvia - 60x a full brip of this stuff, in hopes that he will become enlightened and aware to quit the habit.
The religion and meditation seems to work and bringing him in a better direction, but honestly I don't even know if it's even working. We've even told him that he should get a therapist and talk to someone about his problems.

I'm sure this story is very common. I'm probably not the first person to write a post like this.
I've even done meth with him a few times just to get him to feel that he's not alone in the universe, but that seemed pretty futile as well.

Personally I think his drug dealer, or who he refers to as his "friend", is the source of the problem, but he seemed to be very attached to this person.

If anyone has any insight on how to help a friend quit the habit, please let me know. I'd hate to say this, but I'm about to give up on this one.

 

[pasha]

homeless -> sober living

 

[Mysterie]

its hard for me to think of what else you can do, except to not do meth with him in the future, i think doing meth with him would reinforce the idea in his head that its not an abnormal activity

he probably just has to get to such a low point that he realises that his life would be happier without meth being in it. if he isn't him self at all anymore, it might take him losing his friends to realise what road he's going down. but i can see how that could cause him to start using with more intensity.

 

[mollypaul666]

meth is not addicting. the only time ive ever fiended for meth is if im already on meth. heroin... now thats addicting...

 

[pasha]

its hard for me to think of what else you can do, except to not do meth with him in the future, i think doing meth with him would reinforce the idea in his head that its not an abnormal activity

he probably just has to get to such a low point that he realises that his life would be happier without meth being in it. if he isn't him self at all anymore, it might take him losing his friends to realise what road he's going down. but i can see how that could cause him to start using with more intensity.

what if the said individual was just consuming an active dose like with adderall or even desoxyn. like 5 mg dextromethamphetamine orally.

 

[Mysterie]

what if the said individual was just consuming an active dose like with adderall or even desoxyn. like 5 mg dextromethamphetamine orally.

i dont think that this situation is very analogous to someone being prescribed a therapeutic dose of dexies, because OP stated that his friend is becoming more recluse and isolated and is ego tripping which would be a sign of misuse of the chemical, so while there is obviously some self-medication going on, i think it would be better in than hands of a medical professional.

i dont think amphetamines is the only solution for some people's quest to f33l good, so i can't really support someone going to the black market to get their medicine, if a lot of Dr's have refused prescribing it because of the stereotype of a drug abusing young male.

just from my perspective as well, i would not like it if a friend of mine, who suffers from depression or anxiety was put on dexies by a dr. the only outcome i can see from that situation is them experiencing greater levels of depression and anxiety in the future. ive got a friend who is in that boat, and they have changed a bit since, becoming more paranoid/nervous and seemingly more depressed. amphetamines for mood disorders isn't exactly a wholesome long term solution to any problem.

 

[pasha]

many times psychiatric illnesses like food addiction which causes morbid obesity or depression are treatment resistant to anything except amphetamines. it doesn't apply to the op? probably not. still have a lot to decide for themselves.

 

[jaishivaya]

Thanks for your insights.

I decided to give up on him. I realized it's not a drug issue, but a mental ego issue. His ego is so inflated all he talks about is himself. Anything that I say seem to not mean anything. I guess that's kind of what happens when you do a lot of meth? You keep talking and talking and talking about yourself. The world around you start revolving around the self. You become so close minded that you lose sight of the self from a different perspective.

I'll have to let him fall down and hit a bottom and have him realize that he's in a hole, even though he doesn't believe in it so. His daily life and drug use is so intertwined that it has become a habitual activity.

Reality is as it is. All decisions are made by us. The only person who can change us is us. No one can make it happen.

Jai Ma.

 

[deltakappamu]

I've been trying to get him off the drug for quite awhile now. It doesn't seem to be working. He's becoming more and more isolated and recluse and doesn't seem to be wanting to kick the habit at all.
He's obviously in denial and think that he has a problem at all because he's found the balance of incorporating this drug with his work, eating, and sleep schedule.

Hi there. I am sorry to hear about your friend. However, addiction is the only self-diagnosed disease and he has to first be willing to admit he has a problem in order to get help. Myself along with countless addicts have tried to get clean for someone else.. the reality is that it just does not work. A person needs to be done.. on their own accord. It is hard to watch someone who so desperately needs help, yet they won't take it.

I wish love was enough to get someone clean.. but it just simply is not.


*hugs and good luck

 

[jimmystubs]

I have tried very hard with a mate of mine and it hasn't worked. The ups and downs of meth addiction can be very dramatic indeed, and even after psychotic episodes that have got him locked up, loosing nearly all his friends and family - he still doesnt have enough motivation to change. His ego is also tied to his drug use & dealing - he claims he "loves meth" which I hate to hear, to me its like a smoker saying they "love ciggies". Maybe some do but I smoked for 15 years and I couldnt say I ever 'loved it', I always felt that was just my body and unconscious mind being addicted and craving it.

One statement someone told me always rings out to me which is "no addict ever got clean because of someone else". Perhaps there may be an exception, but generally I think its true and at least the meaning of that sentence really hit home with me.

All the best