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Bupe subutex for depression?

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RedHandedDenial

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Does anyone else notice that subutex helps with their depression? Now i know what ur gonna say, that the depression was caused by the opiate addiction so of course im going to be less depressed without the opiates. But thats not it because i have always been a very depressed person, thats probably why i developed an opiate addiction, bc it makes me feel good. I cant really put into words how the subutex helps but i just notice that i feel better, i am happier and enjoy life more, have something to look forward to and actually like waking up in the morning (i LOOOOOVVE my morning shot).. my depression is mostly the self hatred type, where i just hate myself and have very low self esteem and i have noticed that i have begin feeling more confident in myself and i have started telling ppl who treat me like shit to fuck off... ive tried prozac and did like it but it caused incontinence and also tried wellbutrin which SUCKED... didnt do anything for my depression. I have also heard tramadol can be used for depression and have thought about talking to a doctor about that but i just dont think they would prescribe me it, just like no dr would prescribe me subs for depression.. idk. Opinions anyone?
 
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
^ why is it a terrible idea? i'd prefer to take buprenorphine everyday rather than a nasty SSRI if it helps more.
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This. You can get WD's off Suboxone though just like any other opiate. But Suboxone does definitely put me in a good mood and give me a nice buzz.
 
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
yeah but SSRIs too cause nasty WDs and from what I've read it seems like they carry more side effects than opiates.
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Sorry I have to stop you there man. Opiates is physical withdrawal. Your body gets sick and its hard to function without it. You are in pain. Everything hurts.

SSRI's is mostly just affecting you mentally. Plus if you take them exactly as the doctor tells you to , its not that bad if you aren't on it for a long long time.
 
I was on prozac for one month, and i think it has permanently fucked up my urinary habits. Its like, i cant hold it if its really full (usually after waking up) and end up dribbling on myself, and extreme urine retention. Did not happen til i took the prozac. Since i have stopped taking it the symptoms have suppressed immensely but they are still there, and it sucks
 
I too am prescribed subutex and have experienced the exact same thing. I decided to do research on it and there are scientific studies out there man -- they tend to back up our experience.

Evidently many opioids were prescribed for depression pre-1950. Of course, they really work. The trade off is one that we all know well. Personally, I'll accept the trade off, at least for now.
 
I was on Prozac for years and it destroyed my life more than any opiate habit. It took my libido completely away, made me numb, I cared about nothing. I was not affectionate toward anyone. I will take physical pain over the pain I realize that caused my family any day. All for what? Some PMS on steroids? There are other ways to cope. Docs don't want to take the time, they just throw u on them. But I am going off topic I suppose.
 
JackiePeyton said:
I was on Prozac for years and it destroyed my life more than any opiate habit. It took my libido completely away, made me numb, I cared about nothing. I was not affectionate toward anyone. I will take physical pain over the pain I realize that caused my family any day. All for what? Some PMS on steroids? There are other ways to cope. Docs don't want to take the time, they just throw u on them. But I am going off topic I suppose.
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Ok, STOP with the "all doctors are sadists" crap. Yes, there are plenty of doctors out there (mainly, cheap, undereducated ones) that will just throw prescriptions out as a bandaid for any problem people may have.
However, there are PLENTY of GOOD doctors that work well with there patients and actually care about their livelihood. Both my parents are PCP's and let me tell you how many drop out addicts come in asking for pain pills, and go screaming out about the hippocratic oath when they are turned down. Whenever they meet someone with legitimate pain needs, they are always averse to opioids seeing the pain they can cause with dependence (both me, my brother, and my mom are heroin addicts), so they try and use other methods to aid in pain relief (tricyclics seem to be somewhat promising in this area although there effectiveness is measured in a minority of cases) before going straight to opiates. If their patients are on opiates they use utmost care in tapering them off since pain relief with minimal use of opiates is the primary goal, but it is understood that many need them due to severe circumstances.

DON'T ever say that "ALL" doctors are doing this shit, i get so much bullshit from people about how the hippocratic oath is bullshit and this and that and it's all from addicts looking for some justification to their addiction i swear.

Rant over.
 
Tweak Thizz said:
Sorry I have to stop you there man. Opiates is physical withdrawal. Your body gets sick and its hard to function without it. You are in pain. Everything hurts.

SSRI's is mostly just affecting you mentally. Plus if you take them exactly as the doctor tells you to , its not that bad if you aren't on it for a long long time.
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I've read many horror stories regarding SSRIs withdrawal (brain zaps, dp/dr and the like)
maybe they're not as bad as opiate wds (or maybe they are? i don't know actually) but they fuck with your serotonin system that is quite important for your body/mind.
yes opiates wds.are physical.but i'd take a week or two of pain rather than months of brain zaps/detachment/mental fog/numbness etc.
of course i may be wrong because i've never experienced either, but SSRIs are nasty imho.
 
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IMO, yes this could work....do you have a tolerance to opiates or is Subtex your first? If you do it just educate yourself, and know there WILL BE withdrawls if you quit. Keep the doses low, like 1mg up the nose morning time(would equal 500micrograms I think, nassaly) and half a mg later up the nose later if you need it, or do it under the tounge at low doses once or twice a day. And yes, Subs do have an antideppresent affect on me also, way more so than others. In fact, I think there working on making a drug from bupe that just works on the anti-deppresnt affects from it and getting rid of the part that works on the opiate receptors(don't quote me on that.) I would just keep the doses low, know there will be w/d and yada yada yada...opiates and subs in particular have really helped with deppression for me, even though I don't feel high(sometimes a glow) I'm not deppressed/slightly suicial like I used to be...
 
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
op i suggest you look into ketamine for depression. there should be a bunch of threads on BL.
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A big thing on BL is to also overlook Cognitive Behavioral therapy in favor of prescriptions - CBT and Dialectical Behavioral therapy are great tools to aid in depression.
 
I just have to make a comment here. I have been on Effexor for 2 years and tried get once. It was so bad. The WD's are the worst thing ever. And I have been addicted to time release dilaudid and I would do that again over Effexor always. I am scared because I am going to be on this drug forever. I just started Subutex and hope it goes ok. I guess my point is that I think Effexor is a serious medicine and its WD's should get their due respect.
 
I have heard cog beh and dial therapy, i saw a psychiatrist who said i have signs of borderline... but did not diagnose me with it. After that i did some research and found those therapies.. but still dont know much about them or how to even do it..why pay a doctor who knows how much to give me that therapy when i dont even like doctors when i can just pay for the subs? Might not be the best way to look at it, but hey its been working for me
 
I think the thing with the subs is, it just satisfies my cravings for opiates, gives me that feeling im looking for but doesnt make me fuck up my life and/or blow all my money to get said feeling. I can function NORMALLY. sub doesnt make u do stupid things or act like someone who is not yourself. I know when i was real bad on pills and dope my sister told me that she told people "that is NOT my sister, i dont know who that person is." It makes u a completely diff person. Stealing from anyone even your own family and friends just to get your fix. I dont think sub changes anything in my brain the way ssris r supposed to, its just that i am ALWAYS going to be an addict, so why not instead of trying to fight it and act like im "better" when im not doing drugs and like thats the ideal life to live, i just accept my addiction for what it is and choose.a.drug that is.much less crippling? Again, maybe that is not the way to look at it, but also again it has been working for me.. idk how it will be in the long run or if it will change, and i do think about the future but for now this is all.i can do...
 
REad through the suboxone mega-thread, should be not far from front page here at OD.

IME subs did help my depression until I was completely dependent on them.

Also, anyone who has experienced opiate WD would understand quite well that it is not only physical.

(This topic has been discussed ad nauseum for years here at BL, UTSE)

gl
 
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