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|Admin detox from methadone 100 mg

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|so methadone was a life saver/// now i cant afford it and im detox..before i was shooting a house payment a week of dope...good ol wholesale dope...and methadone saved me..now its time to say good bye..i dont want to go back to dope..so i think im just gonna ride this 10 day detox out...first ? what will i feel like on day 10-20..i heard after the detox you feel bad for like 4 days...wither im stocked on xanax andlope... i feel i can beat this,,,
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\question 2 where can i do a log..
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\day 1..dropped me down to 90 nothing bad just some sweats
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\day 2..80 mg back pain more sweats and slightly mld body aches...feels like a day of working out
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\day 3 i will be on 70..let yall know how that goes..anger restless stiff joints..i cant get out of bed without rolling off bed or usiing something to pick myself up.. cant sleep..bit of a stomach ache no energy,,,,did some crack cocaine a little while ago\(desperate for relief) i swear when i took that first hit everything vansished..been about 20 min symptoms are coming back.....sorta..i also popped a valium..
\\day 4- will be at 60=symptoms included waking up stiff as a zombie, in pain hurting couldnt walk right,,what should of taken 5 minutes took ten..after my dose i was ok till msybe 3. but ugh im so sick,,,lord why did you give us opaires
\day 5, will they were nice and let me do 60 again...last night wasnt too too bad... just irritated and depressed along with minor symptoms..its like the bad comes and goes.. im thinking of just kickin it cold turkey rather than drawing it out longer..but ehh idk tomorrow i will be at 50..so ill let you all knw how that goes
\day 6: at 50 mgs..it kept me well for about 3 hours then the normal detox symptoms came around..acheynes stomach pains more bowlel movements(not dirreaha) runny nose leg pain, bit of restless leg..the worse so far is the sweats and the anxiety.. i mean shit the thought that this could last a while is crazy..so far no crazing more drugs..i do look like shit tho.havent shaved or cut my hair..but ive been dressing nice..but ugh its hot so i swear more when i dress nice,,i still fake smiles and try to be polite but ehh.. as for the drugs im taking valium xanax and benadryl the best thing so far is the benadrl lol..tomorrow i may go to er to see if they can give me some cclonidine
\day 7:40 mg was ok
day 8 30 mg....trash...withdrawls coming on harder
day 9 20 mg.... crap fuck day 10 bring on the pain
fast forward to ummm idk day day 14 im in hell not as bad as heroin withdrawals...yet neways...ohhh when will it end
\17 days since original detox..goooood mild rls in my arms too just 0 energy..pretty much confined..no real aapetie ughhhh this blows
day 18....same as yesterday...thinking this will not end...such minor issues over so much tuime is becommin an issue...6mg of xanax would do great\
\and the reason im doing this cuz i see no log for the admin detox ting on here and i searched...lol but yeah


in conclusion...admin detox is a bull shit way to trick u into not flipping out on the clinic staff for being dicks...dont take on admin detox rob steal kill to pay ur done
 
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im not recovered tho thats what sucks the methadone saved me...i didnt have the money to pay..its been a year since i stopped..and i still crave dope every damn day...and im scared thatthe pain will get to much and ill go back,,,ughhhh man i wishi was still gettin paid good.. and thanks
 
dont mean to bump but after the admin detox is over how long should i hurt..should i just jump off now if this dextox is just going to slow down the proccess im ready...or i think im ready,,ahhh
 
I dont know where you are but if its a question of funds can't you get funding? In my state TASC will fund you if you don't qualify for med assistance and its like30$ per week ?

Otherwise I never did a fast detox. I did one slow detox and one cold turkey. Cold turkey it took about 2.5 weeks to start to get back to normal, about a month til I felt normal. It's not as intense as heroin wd but it's very drawn out. Worst part is the restless legs and general weakness. Simply lifting your arm to comb hair or brush teeth feels like an Impossible task..

Go thru the admin detox. It's got to be better than cold turkey. Cold turkey is not fun trust me. Those few days lowering dose will give some time for your body to eliminate the built up doses
 
Cold turkey is the worst experience I´ve been through. I´m on Methadone and I do not know for how long, but I´m sure if I would need to come off this it would have to be very slow. Meaning half tablet every 2 weeks, until the last half. Even though you may stop using any opiates, the desire to use would be endless. Reason for which I support using Methadone until opiates are really part of your past.
 
I've been taking methadone for over 30 years and have detoxed twice. I am in the midst of a third detox right now. If I were you, I would investigate getting financial assistance as someone already mentioned. If you are detoxing because you cannot afford the clinic, chances are you will not stay clean. Cutting 10mg. a day is too fast. I've done it this way, and it sucked. Try not to ask people what to be expecting for withdrawal symptoms and how long they'll last. Do you remember the first time you got dope sick? It got worse each time after that correct? The more you expect symptoms, the worse you will suffer psychologically. Also, everyone is different, and some deal with it better than others. I think the smartest thing you could do now is find a way to stay on this clinic or find another. If you're thinking about doing dope everyday while you're on the clinic, what do you think will happen when you're off. I wish you luck my friend. I also wish I could tell you that there is some magical elixir that will make withdrawal and life in general easier...unfortunately there isn't one.
 
Thanks for the resposnes and i never planned on staying clean, i just rather not do it any more, i will but not until im over this, and our right about craving ive been on methadone almost a year .6 the whole time...not all at once but total..i do want to make it threw the sickness with out using.. i tried some crack cocaine last night it frickin helped me sleep! lol i dont wanna start that tho.. but id rather quir that then heroin...also i wasnt asking what the side efffects are cuz i was dope sick onece|(had an unlimited suply of money at the time) and it was the worst..this detox is like that but milder but just soooo frickin drawnout and i blame it on them giving me more done. tomorrowi will be down to 50 ughhhhhhhhhhh buy yeah thanks for the words guyd
 
I wish you good luck, but also agree that cutting 10 mg a day is too fast. You know yourself better, so be careful.
 
I wish you good luck, but also agree that cutting 10 mg a day is too fast. You know yourself better, so be careful.

it should be illegal for them to do it that fast.. but i will add that over the time being at that clinic i kinda grew on alot of the staff and they gave me more chances then they do alot of people..for example they didnt drop me today, and actually cleared this weeks balance so if i wanted to get started again i would only have to pay 70 instead of the 170 for the 2 weeks and the restart fee. but ughh i dont even have 70 bucks...and idk..i kinda wanna make it threw this.. the side effects havent been constant either..some days are worse than others..like last night..the only thing i felt was restlessness..and had alot of trouble sleeping..but when i woke up..i was just a little sore...but man i wish they wouldnt help me out by not dropping me like they are supposed to..sure im not going to say no to the extra..but i really wanna get past this..also im not sure how this detox is supposed to help make it easy to kick. the way i figure with the half life....by the time i get to 0, its gonna be like going from 50 mg down to 0 which is not going to be easy at all.. i might as well quit now ,,,do you all understand my math behind this?
 
The more they stretch it out the easier it will actually be. Dosing at 100mg/day means there is close to 200mg at any time in your body due to half life. As you take less n less the build up will also decrease.

You never said--is there a reason you can't get county funding? It varies court to county but the copay is usually around 20-30 a week at most
 
It should be possible for you to do it in the right way. And, it will be quicker. The anxiety will also decrease as you get further.
I have gone through this and it´s horrible, I know. The restless legs and all the sadness that sometimes appears out of the blue, maybe when you start to realize things that you should have done in a different way. Things that you can´t change.
In 7-8 days everything will start to get better, cleaner. Temptation will come hard.
I can relate very much to "going to the 50 mg down to 0". That was the worst, but it passes. It´s a slow process now because you are feeling every minute. It will eventually get better. It does for everyone going through this at some point.
You´ve gotta be patient with yourself as the really scary shit, for me, was when I had to deal with all the problems I had left behind. Real shitty problems you don´t care when you are high. Things that will matter when you get sober.
I had not seen this coming during my worst days.
You´ll grow older and maturer as time goes by. Don´t give up.
 
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It should be possible for you to do it in the right way. And, it will be quicker. The anxiety will also decrease as you get further.
I have gone through this and it´s horrible, I know. The restless legs and all the sadness that sometimes appears out of the blue, maybe when you start to realize things that you should have done in a different way. Things that you can´t change.
In 7-8 days everything will start to get better, cleaner. Temptation will come hard.
I can relate very much to "going to the 50 mg down to 0". That was the worst, but it passes. It´s a slow process now because you are feeling every minute. It will eventually get better. It does for everyone going through this at some point.
You´ve gotta be patient with yourself as the really scary shit, for me, was when I had to deal with all the problems I had left behind. Real shitty problems you don´t care when you are high. Things that will matter when you get sober.
I had not seen this coming during my worst days.
You´ll grow older and maturer as time goes by. Don´t give up.
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\|well thats actually what i went threw coming down from h to methadone.. the realization of the mess of my life and not having that heroin high to make me not care was a shock to my system..ifreaked..i realized i fucked my life up..all the methadone did was make me feel to tired and hopeless to fix it..which is why i wanna get off..and to be honest as bad as i feel i dont want opiates..i dont want done, and i dont crave h..what i am craving is xanax and crack which i dont normally do lol..but ehhh im trying to make it with valiums and benadryl... at worst my discomfort level is 7/10 ve 11/10 kicking heroin cold turkey after 24 hours and in patient clinic

The more they stretch it out the easier it will actually be. Dosing at 100mg/day means there is close to 200mg at any time in your body due to half life. As you take less n less the build up will also decrease.

You never said--is there a reason you can't get county funding? It varies court to county but the copay is usually around 20-30 a week at most
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\ill be honest.. im tired of being around the users who blame everyone else for thier issues.. i was selling dope...and the crack got into my system from cooking it and touching it, and i kept coming out dirty even tho i wasnt using it, and after so many dirty drug screens they kicked me off...my fault i know.. i wish they would of told me tho that id lose my funding..it wasnt in the rule book or rules for funding but i understand..they only have so many slots to get funding..and if im coming out dirty all the time and others are coming out clean they deserve my spot


too all people jumping strait to bottom above is my progress log if anyone one is thinking or facing admin detox..so far im down 50 mg from 100 mg in 5 days and it isnt THAT BAD
 
Why beat around the bush. This is gonna suck. If you want to do it, u can. My husband walked away from the methadone clinic off 50 mgs. He just didn't want to be there anymore. Cold turkey. He was miserable for a month. He just plugged away and did his thing. It was the most impressive thing I ever saw. He wasn't pleasant, but he never complained. Took Motrin and went to work.
It is mostly a mental thing, you can tolerate the symptoms if you want this. Some klonopin is a lifesaver tho.
 
Just to keep in mind, I have come to learn, fairly recently, just how effective loperamide can be in allaying a very great deal of the symptoms of opioid withdrawal. Of course, it is so effective because it is an opioid, and taking it chronically, you remain opioid dependent, physically, but it does not cross the blood brain barrier, and thus does not have any effects on the actual dysphoria brought forth by opioid withdrawal. However, it didn't so much occur to me, until fairly recently, that so much of the psychological agony attributed to opioid withdrawal is likely quite a great deal worsened by the physical symptoms of the withdrawal, which, like I said, can be made better using simple and over-the-counter loperamide. I will reiterate, it will delay the withdrawal syndrome because of the fact that, where it does act within the body, it can act quite potently as any other strong opioid would, provided the proper dose. But, if you simply cannot afford the methadone program as of now, or could see yourself on another form of opioid maintenance therapy, such as with buprenorphine, loperamide may be able to hold you over in a sense - maybe a better way to describe it would be as a stepping stone from methadone to either sobriety in total, or as I said, other opioid maintenance therapy. I know opioid withdrawal on paper, have a had one or two VERY MODEST tastes of it, and even for it being so, so little with respect to other opioid withdrawal syndromes, it pains me to think about what I went through, then, let alone what you must be going through. I congratulate you, most certainly, on your swift drop from 100 mg to 50 mg daily with the methadone, and I would say the fact that the symptoms have not yet been constant and downright awful, is a very good sign if you look at the taper like you have hit the half-way mark, which you have. Don't worry over what might be to come, but do be prepared with methods to combat different aspects of the withdrawal syndrome. Be careful with the benzodiazepines, like Valium and Xanax, just because you might find yourself in the beginning of a benzodiazepine dependence, which you don't want, but don't be too much of hero in that regard, if you do have comfort drugs as strong as benzodiazepines. Use them when it gets worse than baseline bad, and there is anxiety or insomnia or restlessness that is just too miserable to sit out without a little help. You said Benadryl worked well for you - that is very good; it can help with the anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, nausea/vomiting, diarrhea, and likely other aspects of the syndrome. But, with the Benadryl, just be careful with the dosing - too high a dose, even a bit higher than what a doctor might suggest, can cause certain side-effects that are unpleasant in the short-term and potentially dangerous, especially on top of kicking methadone. But, to balance the Xanax or Valium with the Benadryl, keeping either of the benzo's at a lower dose and the Benadryl at a lower dose, but taking them together might allow for even better symptom management with less risk. I did mention loperamide (Imodium), which is a comfort drug, but one that you have to use, or not use, depending on what you want to accomplish with your general situation with opioids. Still, I'd think a fairly modest dose might be fine through the worst of your discomfort, then to discontinue that dose with a bit of a taper.

I wish you the best of luck, really, and I have a feeling you will make through to the other end with relative ease; I am not saying it sounds like it is going to be anything but what it is - methadone withdrawal - but, I think, based on what you've so far written, you won't suffer as much as you might fear, even considering the rapid pace of the taper. I say this just because you sound quite 'grounded', and seem to be quite self-aware when it comes to your situation with opioids, on the whole, and the dependence and addiction thereto related. Let me think - other than comfort drugs, remember to take warm baths/showers as frequently as you like or can, and that just a soak of the feet in warm water is a good coping mechanism. The water things (baths, showers, foot soaks, etc.) can help a lot with general restlessness and with sweats/temperature dysregulation, especially. I am assuming you are a guy, so using frequent masturbation, and consequent orgasm, as a temporary source of relief is another activity you can go to which is something that makes you feel better and gives you relief from the symptoms, but also feels good and is a general distraction which gives your body some natural exercise. Even if you are female, the same would apply, though I have heard much more about that from men during opioid withdrawal, and how it is particularly satisfying during such a time. Try to keep really good sleep hygiene, too, and I know that might be very, very hard to think about, and do, during some points of the withdrawal syndrome, but it is something which does help sleep, naturally, and something which, if you make good habit now during the rough parts of it, may allow for easier sleep earlier on after the withdrawal symptoms have seen their plateau and are dwindling down putting you back to a state in which you will feel much better, after it is all said and done. And, please, don't forget that you can get to that state. Also, to help you now, that will also continue you to help you into full normalcy, is the practice of meditation and relaxation as something you have that allows you to exert control over your body and your mind, which improves drastically with simple practice, each time having the ability to fall deeper into relaxation and better control the certain parts of your perception, if only for a short while, that will help you to get through this with less pain, on the whole. It may sound complicated, but you could call it relaxation, meditation, reflection, introspection, self-hypnosis, or just winding down or chilling out or something like that. The idea behind it is so simple, it can vary as anyone may need it to vary for the individual self. For me, I like to, usually before I rest for the night and allow myself to fall asleep, lie still, close my eyes, and begin talking to myself silently, usually getting into the relaxation with some basic counting to myself, then repeating a general mantra or 'saying' to myself, again silently, before repeating more specific things to myself silently, even if simple. Often times, in between the simple inner-monologue of thought, I go back to simple counting to get myself more relaxed, or go to my personal mantra, and often I will let a lot of silence pass while not trying to say anything to myself aloud or silently, which helps to get deeper and deeper into it, for me. Generally, the better you feel from it after it is over, the better you know you can feel by doing a series of things which involve just my mind, body, and soul. It is a sort of altered consciousness, in which I try to keep myself awake, but while remaining awake, falling into a sleeplike state of relaxation. In this type of state, I can become much more in tune with my own body, mind, and soul, and direct them accordingly by repeating (silently to myself) requests or affirmations such as "My muscles are relaxed. My whole body is loose and peaceful. Now, waves of warmth and relaxation will come over my body, again, from my toes all the way through my body up to my head." It is surprisingly very effective when done with belief that it can be done, and like I said it might just start out with feeling a little better after opening your eyes and take the world in again, which would be how it might go if you used the technique I use, though usually one's eyes are closed for such relaxation techniques. I wouldn't be going on about this technique if I hadn't heard it worked very well for others, too, and then shocked me in how well it worked, and how quickly - it is amazing how you can influence your body's muscles to go from quite tense to quite relaxed with the power of suggestion, from the example I used above. But, it does do with the power of suggestion, and how the mind, and soul (if you feel comfortable using soul or spirit), and the body are all so separate, but all one entity at the same time, where you can use one part to help control another part. You just have to sort of relax down into it, and tell yourself what you want to be with respect to change, to feel better, in the short-term and long-term. I know I keep going on about it, but the initial story of its success which caught my attention dealt with a doctor performing what he called self-hypnosis on himself and bringing to a full stop the fare-up of vicious nerve pain he had been experiencing to the point of being almost debilitated. It certainly was something I had to try, and it is something which I am thinking of now, not knowing so much about your situation, but still feeling it could really help you.

One more thing - be active while coming off the methadone, and while going through all the stages of the withdrawal syndrome. I struggle with being active, personally, but it can be a great help, especially in situations such as opioid withdrawal, and I have heard personal testimonies attributing so much of certain individuals' success with detoxing that I cannot help but think it is, indeed, very helpful. It likely eases the restlessness enormously, and also allows the muscles to get stretched naturally, thus decreasing the pain they would normally experience and preventing muscle stiffness and/or tension that often accompanies opioid withdrawal. It, too, would give an outlet of a physical nature to combat, as I alluded to, the restlessness, but also the emotional anxiety, nervousness, uneasiness, etc. Naturally, mood would improve, as well, with activity. But, do what you feel is right for your mind and body in that regard, for there maybe some limits your body is telling you just not to push. After all, you don't want to add to the exhaustion, but rather the opposite, and let the activity one day encourage the same or a bit more activity the next day, because it should feel as good as it can, bearing in mind the circumstances, of course. So, activity not to push you out of something unpleasant, but rather activity to pull you into something pleasant, or at least better, seems like the best way to sum it up. But, do remember you know yourself, which includes your body and mind, better than anyone else. All the knowledge of how a certain withdrawal syndrome, like that from methadone, can be read and studied for days upon days by the leading addiction specialists in the world, but unless one of them goes through it himself, well you will always know that experience in life in ways they never could. And, what is more is that not only is your particular condition not understood as you understand it by professionals, or by family, or by friends, but know one can understand the person who you are the way you can, either, which is important to bear in mind. And, only you can ever know your condition and yourself in that condition in the way you do, so it might be a bad idea to really try to keep very aware of your person, and all aspects of it. Anyhow, beyond that small tangent, though it is important, I wanted to note one more thing. A lot of the greatest artists, whatever art they made, if they wrote, oil painted, came up with a revolutionary set of theories to forever change the world, whatever, did some of their very best work during withdrawal, very often, historically, from opioids, though not exclusively, of course. And, if you have a hobby or hobbies, or interests or some such, I'd suggest you spend a lot of the time going further with that, learning more about it, taking a step deeper into it, all during the time you could be simply thinking about feeling less than great. If you have existing interests, like I said, go with that, if you like, but use your own flavor of creativity - whether it is more with words, mechanics, physical activities, numbers, or whatever - to enhance the experience of it for you. I'd suggest not limiting yourself to one, unless you have one interest which is particularly strong. But, maybe even better as an exercise to get through all of this, would be to go with something new or relatively new. Remember, you are going to be experiencing so much that is not the 'norm' as you've known it for a good while, and with the time you will have, I think your potential for expression, just for yourself, would be able to be channeled to such a great degree via an outlet of your choice that would truly help slide you back into opioid-free life with a little something to look forward to that wasn't there before, or a big something that wasn't there before. Even if nothing more, I would keep a journal to document your feelings throughout the detox experience and after into when you feel naturally well, again. The journal could be personal or shared, via whatever media you'd like, and filled not just with the negative, but with everything you are feeling and thinking that is coming to you - a journal that would end up, whatever else it might be, very frank and very true, and something you could look back upon and see how you were challenged and how you - not anyone else - but, how you, with the qualities you embody as your own person, including strength, of course, not only survived one particular hardship in your life, but how you thrived in the midst of it.

So, everything I wrote does bear importance, or else I wouldn't have written it. I hope you get something from, and I wish you the best. Feel free to contact me, here, or via PM, if you need support, advice, distraction, or whatever. Keep true to yourself, know yourself better everyday, keep optimistic because it is really fucking better than being pessimistic in all things in life, and find beauty in all things in life even if seemingly impossible, and keep strong, too. And, know I am here on this thread, and available for PM, if you want to chat, talk seriously, laugh, cry, etc. But, I said that before. Sorry, if in this lengthy post, I was unduly repetitive, though usually I say things more than once to reiterate, not to be redundant.

- Alex.
 
Why beat around the bush. This is gonna suck. If you want to do it, u can. My husband walked away from the methadone clinic off 50 mgs. He just didn't want to be there anymore. Cold turkey. He was miserable for a month. He just plugged away and did his thing. It was the most impressive thing I ever saw. He wasn't pleasant, but he never complained. Took Motrin and went to work.
It is mostly a mental thing, you can tolerate the symptoms if you want this. Some klonopin is a lifesaver tho.

That´s impressive. It´s the worst part. Congratulations for your success!!
 
Why beat around the bush. This is gonna suck. If you want to do it, u can. My husband walked away from the methadone clinic off 50 mgs. He just didn't want to be there anymore. Cold turkey. He was miserable for a month. He just plugged away and did his thing. It was the most impressive thing I ever saw. He wasn't pleasant, but he never complained. Took Motrin and went to work.
It is mostly a mental thing, you can tolerate the symptoms if you want this. Some klonopin is a lifesaver tho.




Jackie, congrats to your husband but everyone is different. If someone wants to really quit, it can happen, but like you said, there will be suffering.......

Like I said, everyone is different.......your husband has you to come home to & I'm assuming children as well?

Big difference when someone has the loving support of their families compared to those that don't have any family.

Everyone has their reason why they use drugs, some got addicted from a script while others are running away from their problems.

IMO, its way harder to quit drugs when you have severe issues in your past compared to someone that got addicted from a script.

Users/addicts shouldn't be grouped & told its easy to quit because so & so did it easy.
 
Why beat around the bush. This is gonna suck. If you want to do it, u can. My husband walked away from the methadone clinic off 50 mgs. He just didn't want to be there anymore. Cold turkey. He was miserable for a month. He just plugged away and did his thing. It was the most impressive thing I ever saw. He wasn't pleasant, but he never complained. Took Motrin and went to work.
It is mostly a mental thing, you can tolerate the symptoms if you want this. Some klonopin is a lifesaver tho.
100 plus mg for me prior to that i was doing 2 grams of black tar every 24 hoursfor 4 years ](eventually got to 2 grams) bi ppoolar n bad anxiety no fam or friends....n im doing it ive been so sick i havent been able to update this so u nyea the world isnt A pretty place good does not always beat evul will and strenth cant over come all problems especially when the stack of problems is a mile..im trying n im clean but if had a 8ball n a bag of rigs id sure as hell b happy but i dont...so i sit and lay sometimes and hope tomorrow will b bettwer leading up to this i lost everything n now im losing what i never had ughhh im not making sense good bye
 
Just to keep in mind, I have come to learn, fairly recently, just how effective loperamide can be in allaying a very great deal of the symptoms of opioid withdrawal. Of course, it is so effective because it is an opioid, and taking it chronically, you remain opioid dependent, physically, but it does not cross the blood brain barrier, and thus does not have any effects on the actual dysphoria brought forth by opioid withdrawal. However, it didn't so much occur to me, until fairly recently, that so much of the psychological agony attributed to opioid withdrawal is likely quite a great deal worsened by the physical symptoms of the withdrawal, which, like I said, can be made better using simple and over-the-counter loperamide. I will reiterate, it will delay the withdrawal syndrome because of the fact that, where it does act within the body, it can act quite potently as any other strong opioid would, provided the proper dose. But, if you simply cannot afford the methadone program as of now, or could see yourself on another form of opioid maintenance therapy, such as with buprenorphine, loperamide may be able to hold you over in a sense - maybe a better way to describe it would be as a stepping stone from methadone to either sobriety in total, or as I said, other opioid maintenance therapy. I know opioid withdrawal on paper, have a had one or two VERY MODEST tastes of it, and even for it being so, so little with respect to other opioid withdrawal syndromes, it pains me to think about what I went through, then, let alone what you must be going through. I congratulate you, most certainly, on your swift drop from 100 mg to 50 mg daily with the methadone, and I would say the fact that the symptoms have not yet been constant and downright awful, is a very good sign if you look at the taper like you have hit the half-way mark, which you have. Don't worry over what might be to come, but do be prepared with methods to combat different aspects of the withdrawal syndrome. Be careful with the benzodiazepines, like Valium and Xanax, just because you might find yourself in the beginning of a benzodiazepine dependence, which you don't want, but don't be too much of hero in that regard, if you do have comfort drugs as strong as benzodiazepines. Use them when it gets worse than baseline bad, and there is anxiety or insomnia or restlessness that is just too miserable to sit out without a little help. You said Benadryl worked well for you - that is very good; it can help with the anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, nausea/vomiting, diarrhea, and likely other aspects of the syndrome. But, with the Benadryl, just be careful with the dosing - too high a dose, even a bit higher than what a doctor might suggest, can cause certain side-effects that are unpleasant in the short-term and potentially dangerous, especially on top of kicking methadone. But, to balance the Xanax or Valium with the Benadryl, keeping either of the benzo's at a lower dose and the Benadryl at a lower dose, but taking them together might allow for even better symptom management with less risk. I did mention loperamide (Imodium), which is a comfort drug, but one that you have to use, or not use, depending on what you want to accomplish with your general situation with opioids. Still, I'd think a fairly modest dose might be fine through the worst of your discomfort, then to discontinue that dose with a bit of a taper.

I wish you the best of luck, really, and I have a feeling you will make through to the other end with relative ease; I am not saying it sounds like it is going to be anything but what it is - methadone withdrawal - but, I think, based on what you've so far written, you won't suffer as much as you might fear, even considering the rapid pace of the taper. I say this just because you sound quite 'grounded', and seem to be quite self-aware when it comes to your situation with opioids, on the whole, and the dependence and addiction thereto related. Let me think - other than comfort drugs, remember to take warm baths/showers as frequently as you like or can, and that just a soak of the feet in warm water is a good coping mechanism. The water things (baths, showers, foot soaks, etc.) can help a lot with general restlessness and with sweats/temperature dysregulation, especially. I am assuming you are a guy, so using frequent masturbation, and consequent orgasm, as a temporary source of relief is another activity you can go to which is something that makes you feel better and gives you relief from the symptoms, but also feels good and is a general distraction which gives your body some natural exercise. Even if you are female, the same would apply, though I have heard much more about that from men during opioid withdrawal, and how it is particularly satisfying during such a time. Try to keep really good sleep hygiene, too, and I know that might be very, very hard to think about, and do, during some points of the withdrawal syndrome, but it is something which does help sleep, naturally, and something which, if you make good habit now during the rough parts of it, may allow for easier sleep earlier on after the withdrawal symptoms have seen their plateau and are dwindling down putting you back to a state in which you will feel much better, after it is all said and done. And, please, don't forget that you can get to that state. Also, to help you now, that will also continue you to help you into full normalcy, is the practice of meditation and relaxation as something you have that allows you to exert control over your body and your mind, which improves drastically with simple practice, each time having the ability to fall deeper into relaxation and better control the certain parts of your perception, if only for a short while, that will help you to get through this with less pain, on the whole. It may sound complicated, but you could call it relaxation, meditation, reflection, introspection, self-hypnosis, or just winding down or chilling out or something like that. The idea behind it is so simple, it can vary as anyone may need it to vary for the individual self. For me, I like to, usually before I rest for the night and allow myself to fall asleep, lie still, close my eyes, and begin talking to myself silently, usually getting into the relaxation with some basic counting to myself, then repeating a general mantra or 'saying' to myself, again silently, before repeating more specific things to myself silently, even if simple. Often times, in between the simple inner-monologue of thought, I go back to simple counting to get myself more relaxed, or go to my personal mantra, and often I will let a lot of silence pass while not trying to say anything to myself aloud or silently, which helps to get deeper and deeper into it, for me. Generally, the better you feel from it after it is over, the better you know you can feel by doing a series of things which involve just my mind, body, and soul. It is a sort of altered consciousness, in which I try to keep myself awake, but while remaining awake, falling into a sleeplike state of relaxation. In this type of state, I can become much more in tune with my own body, mind, and soul, and direct them accordingly by repeating (silently to myself) requests or affirmations such as "My muscles are relaxed. My whole body is loose and peaceful. Now, waves of warmth and relaxation will come over my body, again, from my toes all the way through my body up to my head." It is surprisingly very effective when done with belief that it can be done, and like I said it might just start out with feeling a little better after opening your eyes and take the world in again, which would be how it might go if you used the technique I use, though usually one's eyes are closed for such relaxation techniques. I wouldn't be going on about this technique if I hadn't heard it worked very well for others, too, and then shocked me in how well it worked, and how quickly - it is amazing how you can influence your body's muscles to go from quite tense to quite relaxed with the power of suggestion, from the example I used above. But, it does do with the power of suggestion, and how the mind, and soul (if you feel comfortable using soul or spirit), and the body are all so separate, but all one entity at the same time, where you can use one part to help control another part. You just have to sort of relax down into it, and tell yourself what you want to be with respect to change, to feel better, in the short-term and long-term. I know I keep going on about it, but the initial story of its success which caught my attention dealt with a doctor performing what he called self-hypnosis on himself and bringing to a full stop the fare-up of vicious nerve pain he had been experiencing to the point of being almost debilitated. It certainly was something I had to try, and it is something which I am thinking of now, not knowing so much about your situation, but still feeling it could really help you.

One more thing - be active while coming off the methadone, and while going through all the stages of the withdrawal syndrome. I struggle with being active, personally, but it can be a great help, especially in situations such as opioid withdrawal, and I have heard personal testimonies attributing so much of certain individuals' success with detoxing that I cannot help but think it is, indeed, very helpful. It likely eases the restlessness enormously, and also allows the muscles to get stretched naturally, thus decreasing the pain they would normally experience and preventing muscle stiffness and/or tension that often accompanies opioid withdrawal. It, too, would give an outlet of a physical nature to combat, as I alluded to, the restlessness, but also the emotional anxiety, nervousness, uneasiness, etc. Naturally, mood would improve, as well, with activity. But, do what you feel is right for your mind and body in that regard, for there maybe some limits your body is telling you just not to push. After all, you don't want to add to the exhaustion, but rather the opposite, and let the activity one day encourage the same or a bit more activity the next day, because it should feel as good as it can, bearing in mind the circumstances, of course. So, activity not to push you out of something unpleasant, but rather activity to pull you into something pleasant, or at least better, seems like the best way to sum it up. But, do remember you know yourself, which includes your body and mind, better than anyone else. All the knowledge of how a certain withdrawal syndrome, like that from methadone, can be read and studied for days upon days by the leading addiction specialists in the world, but unless one of them goes through it himself, well you will always know that experience in life in ways they never could. And, what is more is that not only is your particular condition not understood as you understand it by professionals, or by family, or by friends, but know one can understand the person who you are the way you can, either, which is important to bear in mind. And, only you can ever know your condition and yourself in that condition in the way you do, so it might be a bad idea to really try to keep very aware of your person, and all aspects of it. Anyhow, beyond that small tangent, though it is important, I wanted to note one more thing. A lot of the greatest artists, whatever art they made, if they wrote, oil painted, came up with a revolutionary set of theories to forever change the world, whatever, did some of their very best work during withdrawal, very often, historically, from opioids, though not exclusively, of course. And, if you have a hobby or hobbies, or interests or some such, I'd suggest you spend a lot of the time going further with that, learning more about it, taking a step deeper into it, all during the time you could be simply thinking about feeling less than great. If you have existing interests, like I said, go with that, if you like, but use your own flavor of creativity - whether it is more with words, mechanics, physical activities, numbers, or whatever - to enhance the experience of it for you. I'd suggest not limiting yourself to one, unless you have one interest which is particularly strong. But, maybe even better as an exercise to get through all of this, would be to go with something new or relatively new. Remember, you are going to be experiencing so much that is not the 'norm' as you've known it for a good while, and with the time you will have, I think your potential for expression, just for yourself, would be able to be channeled to such a great degree via an outlet of your choice that would truly help slide you back into opioid-free life with a little something to look forward to that wasn't there before, or a big something that wasn't there before. Even if nothing more, I would keep a journal to document your feelings throughout the detox experience and after into when you feel naturally well, again. The journal could be personal or shared, via whatever media you'd like, and filled not just with the negative, but with everything you are feeling and thinking that is coming to you - a journal that would end up, whatever else it might be, very frank and very true, and something you could look back upon and see how you were challenged and how you - not anyone else - but, how you, with the qualities you embody as your own person, including strength, of course, not only survived one particular hardship in your life, but how you thrived in the midst of it.

So, everything I wrote does bear importance, or else I wouldn't have written it. I hope you get something from, and I wish you the best. Feel free to contact me, here, or via PM, if you need support, advice, distraction, or whatever. Keep true to yourself, know yourself better everyday, keep optimistic because it is really fucking better than being pessimistic in all things in life, and find beauty in all things in life even if seemingly impossible, and keep strong, too. And, know I am here on this thread, and available for PM, if you want to chat, talk seriously, laugh, cry, etc. But, I said that before. Sorry, if in this lengthy post, I was unduly repetitive, though usually I say things more than once to reiterate, not to be redundant.

- Alex.
thanks for the info but no AD..it will just lead to putting off this dreaded hell...ohhh ppl make it seem like methadone withdrawal is not as intense as heroin withdrawals wich is true but it still SUUUUUUCCCCKKKSSS god i wanna ughh but ur right i think ill make it.i could go for sum opes but still dont crave them
 
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