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One Thousand Words said:
You could always make a compulsory parenting exam and licensing system before being granted child assistance. Make it available to all parents no matter what their income. It could be like a car licence where points are deducted for not reading to them before bed are forcing them to support shit sporting teams for the rest of your life just because your da did.

Would solve a lot of problems in Manchester and Leeds.
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And Glasgow.

I've long advocated a parents license. You need a license to own a tortoise, yet you can just casually have a pile of kids.
 
I think there should just be an overall Adult licence that you need before you can buy booze, drive a car, vote or write a letter to the editor. People worry about the class system, but if we made it easier to actually classify the mongs from the norms there wouldn't be much argument about it.
 
I can't immediately oppose the concept of a formal test for adulthood; but I can see an awful lot of ways in which it could go very badly wrong, as in worse than what we have now.

I still think proper sex and relationships education is an essential part of the way forward. And no parental opt-out, for any reason -- it's the ones who want to opt out who need it the most.
 
Wow, some of you people, a lot of you people, really need to catch hold of yourselves and hear what you're saying.

"I never got my license to live
They won't give it up
So I stand at the worlds edge
I'm trying to break in
Though I know it's not for me
And the sight of it all
Makes me sad and ill
That's when I want
Some weird sin"
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
"I never got my license to live
They won't give it up
So I stand at the worlds edge
I'm trying to break in
Though I know it's not for me
And the sight of it all
Makes me sad and ill
That's when I want
Some weird sin"
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Which is precisely why a misimplemented test for adulthood would only make things worse, not better. For all I know, it might well be impossible in practice to do fairly. This absolutely does not mean that we should not be preparing our kids to pass an ideal adulthood test, even if such a test were not possible to administer in practice -- just because nobody is asking you the question, doesn't mean you don't need to know the right answer. At the very least, we need to remember that the literal meaning of "education" is "leading out".
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Wow, some of you people, a lot of you people, really need to catch hold of yourselves and hear what you're saying.

"I never got my license to live
They won't give it up
So I stand at the worlds edge
I'm trying to break in
Though I know it's not for me
And the sight of it all
Makes me sad and ill
That's when I want
Some weird sin"
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I get what you're saying, and I know it's dodgy ground, but I really find it impossible to argue against a license to have kids. If I can't go out and get a tortoise tomorrow without being assessed as capable of looking after the thing then why is it fine for me to have a kid? Not only fine, I would actually be rewarded (were I female) with a free house and free money*. The only issue is enforcement. If I get caught with an unlicensed tortoise they'll just take it away and probably put it in the bin, that's not quite so easy with humans.

My views on this would probably be wildly different if I ever intended to have kids myself. As it stands other peoples unwanted, nuisance kids are just a pain in the arse and if they required a license before they could have the little fuckers it would have no negative impact on my life.

But it's not just for my own benefit. Having a kid when you're not emotionally or financially capable of dealing with it is surely not good at all for either you or the kid. When I hear of, for example, my wee cousin being pregnant with some random wee guy's wean and splitting up with the dude about a month into the pregnancy, claiming her free council house and setting herself up for a fulltime life as a single mum on benefits I just think "What the fuck are you doing being pregnant? That's fucking shite for that wean". It's extremely irresponsible and the consequences are apparent when I can see a 3rd generation of giro babies being raised right now. There's areas round here where it's unusual for a 16/17 year old to not be single and pregnant. My wee cousin that I mentioned, that's what all her pals are doing. Her wee sqad from school. They're not off to college, or uni, or travelling the world, or even just working in Asda. They are all young, stupid, single, with at least one child, living off benefits with no intention of that ever changing.

If it was possible to have a way of saying "Hold on, you're 16, you don't have any money, you don't have any qualifications or experience in doing anything, you are not ready to have a child yet. Come back in a few years" then I can't see how that wouldn't be a good thing.

Fuck me, I sound like a cunt haha. Fuck it, I stand by what I've said.


* Yes, I know it's not quite as clear cut as that and no, I wouldn't actually want that life.
 
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The testing doesn't even have to be that difficult. Make it multi choice if you want or hands on for the autistic ones.

How old is too old to still be in a pram?
How would you teach your kid to tie their own shoe laces. Bonus point for doing this before they are 11
Public screaming at your kids 101
Dried snot on your kids face should not be a fashion statement
Budgeting the shopping.... Milk and cereal before cigarettes and nail salon
 
Nah you're not a cunt, PTCH, you've just an opinion - and have the right to it... Some people are not emotionally read to have kids and it's extremely sad both for the child - and for people who have spent their lives wanting kids but cannot have them. For the majority of us, regardless of age it can be a shock and if you're not a maternal person it somehow comes and you just find maternal parts that you never thought you had... like loving the child, feeding them, keeping them safe, clothing them and so on... For others, unfortunately it's not so easy and they never quite get it...

I don't know the answer it's a complex one... I do, in some regards, feel it's wrong how a lot of women (the mothers) automatically get rights whereas the father doesn't... I think that that needs to change as there can be some right manipulative women out there. My mate, Dan, a different Dan, was on the receiving end of this and had to right years to see his son - and at first had to pay £60 a session to see him at a contact centre... Wasn't right.... Especially as she was abusive to her kid and there was taped evidence of her admitting to it as well as photographic evidence, which automatically got "lost."

Evey
 
parttime crackhead said:
I get what you're saying, and I know it's dodgy ground, but I really find it impossible to argue against a license to have kids.
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I can't argue against a licence to have kids. I could, however, argue eloquently against any ill-thought-out attempt to administer the licensing of children. There is a real risk of institutionalised discrimination, even inadvertently, against some or other sector of society.

As you said, it's dodgy ground.
 
Oh aye, I'm talking purely hypothetical here. I don't ever expect this to be implemented because it would be unworkable in practice. For example, all the tracksuit clad wee birds from Shit Estate #4 getting told they aren't getting their license for no reason other than their appearance. While posh girl #2 gets her license no bother even though she'd be a fucking terrible parent.

It also starts to fall into the grounds of the rich being allowed lots of kids while the poor are only allowed one (even if they are actually capable of supporting more). Which then has a knock on effect for society with too many fucking Tarquins running around.
 
Come on, I didn't mention that meaning you must have pieces of paper from school to show you done did your learning before you're allowed kids, and I think you know it. That was just a general "You have nothing and nothing to help you get something right now, come back later when you do".

I'm married, with a stable job, my partner also has a stable job, neither of us passed a GCSE, and we've shown through whatever arbitrary test you have that we can raise a child - Cool, have your kids.

I have an English Degree - So? No kids for you yet.
 
parttime crackhead said:
Come on, I didn't mention that meaning you must have pieces of paper from school to show you done did your learning before you're allowed kids, and I think you know it. That was just a general "You have nothing and nothing to help you get something right now, come back later when you do".

I'm married, with a stable job, my partner also has a stable job, neither of us passed a GCSE, and we've shown through whatever arbitrary test you have that we can raise a child - Cool, have your kids.

I have an English Degree - So? No kids for you yet.
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Haha I didn't mean qualifications as in A levels you dolt! I meant some of you are showing some sort of recalcitrance/reining it in a bit/qualifying what you are saying.

Doh etc =D

Ooh do I mean recalcitrance? maybe not.
 
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=D
 
parttime crackhead said:
Come on, I didn't mention that meaning you must have pieces of paper from school to show you done did your learning before you're allowed kids, and I think you know it. That was just a general "You have nothing and nothing to help you get something right now, come back later when you do".

I'm married, with a stable job, my partner also has a stable job, neither of us passed a GCSE, and we've shown through whatever arbitrary test you have that we can raise a child - Cool, have your kids.

I have an English Degree - So? No kids for you yet.
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Nah PTCH you're talking sense... wow I never knew you had an English degree, I mean you're intelligent and you're extremely good at debating so it goes to reason you'd have some sort of degree but just didn't know... I've a Psychology Degree and a Postgraduate certificate in Weight Management. We had to do some English (language) stuff in Psychology, which was quite fascination about categorisation, categorisation before pre-verbal age, how we process language and grammar, impairments such as asphaisa Wernicke and Broca (my spelling's sketchy here' drinking and blame the suboxone...) but the whole thing with language is fascinating... What stuff did you study in English? Must have a discussion with you about this one day....

Evey
 
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I also advocate introducing an early retirement age followed by an extermination age of 70.

These aren't ideas that need worry about being voted upon
 
Eveleivibe said:
Nah PTCH you're talking sense... wow I never knew you had an English degree, I mean you're intelligent and you're extremely good at debating so it goes to reason you'd have some sort of degree but just didn't know... I've a Psychology Degree and a Postgraduate certificate in Weight Management. We had to do some English (language) stuff in Psychology, which was quite fascination about categorisation, categorisation before pre-verbal age, how we process language and grammar, impairments such as asphaisa Wernicke and Broca (my spelling's sketchy here' drinking and blame the suboxone...) but the whole thing with language is fascinating... What stuff did you study in English? Must have a discussion with you about this one day....

Evey

Evey
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Haha, I don't have an English degree (or any degree). That bit should have been in quotes. It was the voice of an imaginary wannabe parent.
 
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