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Opioids smoking for the first time

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sogno

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A friend of mine wants to smoke heroin ( he is a totally opiate naive). He is taking zoloft, Zyprexa and 2 mg of Ativan ( for sleeping) . He is quite tolerant to the ativan because it's been a year since he is taking it.
How long should he wait between taking the benzos and smoking the h? Is it ok to take the ativan for example at 11pm and then smoking the following day in the afternoon? Might be a stupid question but he knows that the heroin- benzos combination is very dangerous and wants to minimize the chance of od. Thank you, sorry for my bad english.
 
If you're opiate naive, the last drug you want to start on is heroin......why don't you work your way up the opiate ladder?
 
I agree that you should not try heroin but you probably will anyway.

11 PM the previous night and heroin in the afternoon will be fine. Dont take your Ativan that night until you fully feel the H has worn off. Mixing depressants is no joke, its how most people die of drug overdoses. No booze while youre on the heroin either.

English is spot on.
 
sogno said:
A friend of mine wants to smoke heroin ( he is a totally opiate naive). He is taking zoloft, Zyprexa and 2 mg of Ativan ( for sleeping) . He is quite tolerant to the ativan because it's been a year since he is taking it.
How long should he wait between taking the benzos and smoking the h? Is it ok to take the ativan for example at 11pm and then smoking the following day in the afternoon? Might be a stupid question but he knows that the heroin- benzos combination is very dangerous and wants to minimize the chance of od. Thank you, sorry for my bad english.
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I have to agree with this gentleman here. If there is little experience with opiates , brown is a pretty bad idea. Benzo's in my experience stay in the system for longer than you realise sometimes, if this is gunna happen anyways I would say wait the longest possible time between benzo to opiate.

It'd be a hell of a lot safer just having a few Codeine Phosphate or Tramadol and taking it real slow. Topping up with another pill if still not too affected. But Benzo and Opiates is a rubbish Idea in general even people with huge opiate tolerances are at risk with that combo.
 
what kind of heroin is it? depending on the answer, smoking it could be a complete waste of time
 
Reddo_ said:
It'd be a hell of a lot safer just having a few Codeine Phosphate or Tramadol and taking it real slow. Topping up with another pill if still not too affected. But Benzo and Opiates is a rubbish Idea in general even people with huge opiate tolerances are at risk with that combo.
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Yep.......even some of the most experienced opiate addicts with a huge tolerance have died from mixing muscle relaxants/benzos with heroin/methadone/etc.......
 
TheLostBoys said:
If you're opiate naive, the last drug you want to start on is heroin......why don't you work your way up the opiate ladder?
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I live in Italy and where I live is pretty much impossible to obtain any opiate other than h... or atleast to my knowledge.
dankplantgrower said:
I agree that you should not try heroin but you probably will anyway.

11 PM the previous night and heroin in the afternoon will be fine. Dont take your Ativan that night until you fully feel the H has worn off. Mixing depressants is no joke, its how most people die of drug overdoses. No booze while youre on the heroin either.

English is spot on.
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thank you.
He knows the combo is very dangerous... he wants to be very careful so he is going to start real small. What is a "safe" dosage to smoke?

subotai said:
what kind of heroin is it? depending on the answer, smoking it could be a complete waste of time
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you have a pm.
 
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Great advice from many people above.

this thread made me log in to my account to post this. I am a BTH smoker myself, have been at it for about a year and a half so my tolerance has upped quite a bit I could imagine. Let me tell you from somebody that lives the life everyday. This life is not worth living when your whole world revolves around it, and kid yourself not, you will be there one day if you continue down this path. I refuse to use a needle because I know my life would be over quickly. With where I am at now I need to smoke anywhere from 0.5-1.0g of high quality tar JUST to maintain every day, or withdrawals will start. I am unable to maintain a job because of this, so I have been lying to my family about my lifestyle and my brothernis currently supporting me with 200$ a week, which you can imagine is very tough to live on as a H addict. I must conserve the dope I can get to maintain, and havent caught a buzz in months. I know switching to the needle would make sense for me but I refuse b/c I guess I am holding on to a glimmer of hope my life can get better with a maintenence program or something.. and if I started IV it would all be over, because of my self control level.

I have no self esteem, confidence, self worth anymore, I used to be the opposite, used to be able to hold a steady job, had a gf, even made drum captain in the HS band. Smoking weed on the weekends with friends....through high school I was also prescribed Ativan (1.5-2mg a day) which slowly led to taking things like Percs and Roxis. When that git too costly, enter: Heroin.

The addiction potential for H is soo much higher than any pill because of its cost and amount it is sold in. The using process becomes a ritual, that you can be more addicted to than the high itself. Im telling you, life on Heroin sucks, and is not worth it in any way. Everything you have in your life will start to dissappear, friends, possessions, money, and most importantly, family trust. You will never be the same again, and your life will revolve around this devil drug....Please take my advice as an example of what will happen to you....All it takes is time.

good luck, god bless
 
^ Yup, well said.

People think thry can save so much money by switching to it from pharms, but in reality its about a two-three week period to the point where they are spending just as much if not more just to maintain, and if you wanna get high you can kiss your bank account away. And not to mention street H is stepped on so much you never know when you will get good product, and it takes time to find a quality dealer these days. Then once you are over the "honeymoon" phase, you're in the same hole you dug for yourself only its much deeper cause you now have a beastly tolerance only H and maintenance opioids can touch. It's no joke, and it ruins lives.
 
^^^This.Truer words were never spoken my friend.Heroin can and eventually will take EVERYTHING from you.Is the OP sure that H is the only opiate they can get?It has always been my understanding that doctors in most Euro countries are way more understanding of pain patients and are more lenient in passing out opioid pain killer scripts than US doctors.I can say from experience that chronic pain is grossly undertreated in this country.I had always thought most of Europe was more enlightened on the subject.Also,the quality of heroin in Europe tends to be higher and more consistant than American dope.A lot of raw opium is taken from third-world countries to places like France and Italy where they have the facilities to process it into heroin.Tread lightly my Italian friend,you are playing with fire.
 
downerhead said:
^^^This.Truer words were never spoken my friend.Heroin can and eventually will take EVERYTHING from you.Is the OP sure that H is the only opiate they can get?It has always been my understanding that doctors in most Euro countries are way more understanding of pain patients and are more lenient in passing out opioid pain killer scripts than US doctors.I can say from experience that chronic pain is grossly undertreated in this country.I had always thought most of Europe was more enlightened on the subject.Also,the quality of heroin in Europe tends to be higher and more consistant than American dope.A lot of raw opium is taken from third-world countries to places like France and Italy where they have the facilities to process it into heroin.Tread lightly my Italian friend,you are playing with fire.
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Afaik it's quite the opposite. Getting opiods painkiller it's very difficult here.
Instead finding h in my hometown is very easy. My friend with no street smart and no connection went to the "ghetto" and bought h in almost 10 minutes, he also got the dealer's number "for the future".
 
^^^^Really?Damn, I didn't think anywhere was tighter on opioid prescriptions than the US.My home city is very similar to yours as far as the ease of scoring heroin.There is a lot of low-income housing inhabited by drug dealers(we call them projects over here)and it's easy to get pretty good quality H within minutes but it's also increadibly risky because if the police see a white dude going in or out of there they know what you are doing and are ready to bust you,to say nothing of the risk of getting robbed or shot.In fact my home town is known throughout the state of Virginia as a heroin area.If you're going to be doing heroin on a regular or semi-regular basis(though I don't reccomend it)it's best to have several dealers you can go to because they have a tendancy to get busted,the quality of their stuff can fall off etc... Personally,I usually tried keeping 6 or 8 available.Even when I would mainly be going to a particular one because they would have the best stuff at the time,I would still get little bits here and there from the others just to keep my foot in the door with them for when I needed them in the future.What part of Italy are you from?I have some family from somewhere near the Po River near the alps somewhere.
 
Just want to add that i did Roxycodones twice and they worked but once i got on a high dose of Zyprexa opiates no longer work on me at all. And it's not because of tolerance because i only did them twice before (they worked then) and have tried them 3 times since the meds and they havent worked despite being real Oxycontin pill and heroin, its bullshit
 
Trying2Iso said:
Just want to add that i did Roxycodones twice and they worked but once i got on a high dose of Zyprexa opiates no longer work on me at all. And it's not because of tolerance because i only did them twice before (they worked then) and have tried them 3 times since the meds and they havent worked despite being real Oxycontin pill and heroin, its bullshit
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Zyprexa is used for psychotic conditions, prescribed by a psychiatrist..........these meds rewire a certain part of the brain, that may be one of the reasons you aren't feeling the opiates.

I'm assuming you actually really need Zyprexa to function day to day?

Do you at least get pain relief from opiates?

Also, did you know Zyprexa can be used for opiate withdrawal?
 
i need zyprexa to manage schizophrenia
I am not sure if i get pain relief from opiates because i had no pain when i took them i was just trying to get high
 
Smoking heroin is the safest roa. Problem is you're schitzophrenic. Heroin could increase your negative symptoms making you even more dysfunctional thus reinforcing its use, not to mention withdrawals which could trigger avoidable episodes.

I understand life may be dull, but it could get worse. All the best.
 
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