If you could only take 1 drug for the rest of your life what would it be?

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Drug use is rising, laws are failing. Fact

Actually, I heard an article on the radio t'other day saying that drug use has fallen dramatically with young people over the last decade or so... Dunno how true this is and I worry that this sort of propaganda can be interpreted to mean that the WOD is winning..

 

[Chatative]

Drug use is rising, laws are failing. Fact

I think a larger part of the problem is the misinformation & stigma surrounding drug use. If the government spent a bit of time educating people properly it would be a lot more beneficial to society on the whole.

Problem is, people are so brainwashed that there is almost no choice but to let the current way of things continue. It's only going to make things worse in reality.

 

[sinclair1984]

oxymorphone definitly.

 

[ScotchMist]

Maybe im wrong and I shouldnt of said fact, from what ive witnessed it doesn't look like its falling, quite the opposite.

What would you say, from what you've seen locally? Stats are not worth the paper they're written on usually, how would they even obtain the figures? ?

 

[warriorOnTheEdge]

Datura

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

Surely the cure for being ignorant about something is asking questions? I've never claimed to know everything, I'm only 19 and no one's born with a comprehensive knowledge of drugs (apart from you, clearly). If you can't talk about drugs and how you feel about them on a err, drug forum, then where can you?

I don't mind people being off with me when I'm being a twat which I frequently am but not when I'm trying to have a sensible discussion. If I'm that offensive to you then ignore works as well. I may be ignorant but at least I'm working on it unlike most people who dive into taking drugs without even considering the consequences. You should work on whatever issue you have that makes you feel the need to act like a cunt over the Internet for no reason.

reason was you and the regurgitated nonsense you come out with on i.v drug users. perhaps all the folks that you encounter end up fucked up, but then again - its an encounter with you, isn't it? traumatic stuff

 

[Bella Figura]

Jenkem anybody?

 

[Eveleivibe]

Surely the cure for being ignorant about something is asking questions? I've never claimed to know everything, I'm only 19 and no one's born with a comprehensive knowledge of drugs (apart from you, clearly). If you can't talk about drugs and how you feel about them on a err, drug forum, then where can you?

I don't mind people being off with me when I'm being a twat which I frequently am but not when I'm trying to have a sensible discussion. If I'm that offensive to you then ignore works as well. I may be ignorant but at least I'm working on it unlike most people who dive into taking drugs without even considering the consequences. You should work on whatever issue you have that makes you feel the need to act like a cunt over the Internet for no reason.

Thanks for all the proper replies, has given me a lot to think about. Nice to know there are some helpful folk around.

Don't let him get to you. You've every right to ask questions and what you've said there is completely right so take no notice. It's a harm reduction site and I think that most people would rather you ask questions and be safe than ask nothing at all and come to harm in anyway. I think it's good that you admit to not knowing everything. I had a load of stick for asking what legal highs is when I've only ever taken opiates. (See PM)

Evey

 

[Dark Side]

Heroin probably, i like codiene, dhc and oxy so i would fkn love it. will never do it though but given the choice for example if i had a guaranteed pure life time supply id do it

 

[Eveleivibe]

I know this is derailing the thread and yourself and shambles batted this topic back and forth until you gave Mr S a headache but.....

How can you say that the current laws are keeping vulnerable people safe, they either seek out drugs which contain many an unknown adulterant or failing that ( which I dont see as a valid argument as drugs are nearly as easy to obtain as orange juice) they'll just consume a legal substance whether it be food, booze, cigarettes, codeine or whatever.. keeping drugs completely of limits in the eyes of the law doesnt address peoples wants/needs to feel something other than themselves. People will find ways to soothe themselves regardless of laws, so surely leaving the drug trade to self regulate by money grabbing crooks with no regard for the consumer is causing more harm than good. Surely

Someone brighter than myself would have to iron out the details but a regulated market is better than a non regulated one, no?

Drug use is rising, laws are failing. Fact

It DOESN'T protect vulnerable people. People are more likely to go to dealers, who cut the drugs with all sorts to 'make more money, give drugs on credit so people get themselves into debt and what-no. Legality means that people are more likely to have purer version of drugs, know the exact mg rather than having to guess what % of the substance the have purchased, is actually the drug so thus legality will give people more of a knowledge of their tolerant rather than just assumption. For instance, how many times has a person taken Heroin, assumed they were taken their "usual dose," only to OD because it had been cut with fentanyl or some other strong/damaging substance?

SM - you're argument makes TOTAL sense - the underlying issues need to be looked at as opposed to 'those horrible, dangerous, drugs' that must be kept away from them.

Evey

 

[BlindHelperMonkey]

florence evilvibes

 

[Inflorescence]

Rebelled Nymph Oink

 

[Shambles]

Yes but it replaces the "I'm naughty and I know it" notion, and replaces it with a far more dangerous "It's ok to take the drug, it's legal" notion. I do see the merit in your argument on the whole... it's a very considered argument. Legalisation solves many of the issues surrounding drugs.

I stand by what I say, however. The law must consider society as a whole, it can not be individualised. There's too many vulnerable people in the public and these substances are best kept away from them.

I kinda like the system how it is. if you really DO want to take drugs you can still get hold of them if your keen enough, but the illegitimacy presents a stance towards drugs which serves as a severe warning for those who may be susceptible to substance abuse.

I lost track of how many times you contradicted yourself in just three paragraphs. Nice work.

You agree that the illegality is a very attractive feature for many, many people but also believe the same illegality "serves as a severe warning for those who may be susceptible to substance abuse". Which is it?

You say that the law should stay as it is because 'vulnerable people' shouldn't be able to get hold of them and the law should remain as it is because anybody who wants drugs can get them anyway. Which is it?

I won't go through it all again cos it's pointless as you are clearly just arguing the toss without a shred of thought involved cos your arguing for both sides at the same time without even realising it. And the obvious (so obvious it kinda goes without saying) bit about legalisation is that you make it as dull as possible. No brand names. No advertising. No legal consequences for buying and using drugs but that is where things like social factors and pressures come in. Glue is legal but it's not generally seen as being acceptable or especially desirable. If a person chooses to use drugs and gets themselves in a state or commits some antisocial act their peers tend to disapprove. Peer pressure essentially. Only working the opposite way to how it does now. Also people still need to hold down a job and do all the other stuff they wish to do. Take away the mystique and it's just the same as a few pints of a weekend to wind down. Or at least it could easily become that way given a bit of time for society to adjust.

The only thing we do know for a fact is that prohibition causes unnecessary harm to the users and the rest of society. That could all go away overnight. Gotta be worth a go. Prohibition has never worked for anything that large sections of the public wish to indulge in.

 

[Shambles]

reason was you and the regurgitated nonsense you come out with on i.v drug users. perhaps all the folks that you encounter end up fucked up, but then again - its an encounter with you, isn't it? traumatic stuff

If you're going to have one of your lil hissy fits at somebody at least get the right person. Summer asked about IV drug use - it was me that 'regurgitated nonsense' about my own experience and observations of it. Still able to hit that vein in your neck? Ot have you had to move on to the one in your cock yet? Stings doesn't it 8(

 

[Dark Side]

The underlying issue is that the Governmernt want a society of mundane tea tollers who don't question anything, or people too drunk to question anything.

 

[warriorOnTheEdge]

Only iv'd the once and that was an operation Julie microdot, shit got interesting real quick. No desire to use that ROA again, but can understand those that do.

 

[Eveleivibe]

I lost track of how many times you contradicted yourself in just three paragraphs. Nice work.

You agree that the illegality is a very attractive feature for many, many people but also believe the same illegality "serves as a severe warning for those who may be susceptible to substance abuse". Which is it?

You say that the law should stay as it is because 'vulnerable people' shouldn't be able to get hold of them and the law should remain as it is because anybody who wants drugs can get them anyway. Which is it?

I won't go through it all again cos it's pointless as you are clearly just arguing the toss without a shred of thought involved cos your arguing for both sides at the same time without even realising it. And the obvious (so obvious it kinda goes without saying) bit about legalisation is that you make it as dull as possible. No brand names. No advertising. No legal consequences for buying and using drugs but that is where things like social factors and pressures come in. Glue is legal but it's not generally seen as being acceptable or especially desirable. If a person chooses to use drugs and gets themselves in a state or commits some antisocial act their peers tend to disapprove. Peer pressure essentially. Only working the opposite way to how it does now. Also people still need to hold down a job and do all the other stuff they wish to do. Take away the mystique and it's just the same as a few pints of a weekend to wind down. Or at least it could easily become that way given a bit of time for society to adjust.

The only thing we do know for a fact is that prohibition causes unnecessary harm to the users and the rest of society. That could all go away overnight. Gotta be worth a go. Prohibition has never worked for anything that large sections of the public wish to indulge in.

No disrespect but I don't think making it as dull as possible ie no advertising, repercussions etc is gna disinterest people. I had a codeine addiction, as everyone knows by now, but it is quite (yes I admit purchasing the 60s over the net was exciting and thrilling). For me it was the feeling of escape--- how it stopped the anger in me, calmed me, made me feel that being alone was actually OK and going from resenting people on Facebook for going out n stuff while I was alone to thinking; think Goodness I've got codeine and am not going out like them. The fact it wrapped me up like a blanket and sheltered me away from the world, stressed me, made life worth living again instead of the constant boredom, depression and emptiness..... I don't think it being legal would have............

..... hang on I've just basically given a reason why drugs SHOULDN'T be legal... SHIT.

Evey

 

[parttime crackhead]

There's nothing wrong with taking drugs. Some of you seem to be looking at the legalisation thing as if taking drugs is in itself a bad thing. It isn't. I don't know why you would want to "disinterest people".


Drugs are good. Just say yes.

 

[Bella Figura]

yes I admit purchasing the 60s over the net was exciting and thrilling

Buying drugs can be thrilling I agree, but I reckon if they were legalised you would be no more excited than anyone else is when they buy a bottle of wine or a pack of smokes

Some of you

Only raas imo.

 

[Chatative]

Drugs are good. Just say yes.

Drugs are bad, M'kay